Goombatommy
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Totally man, I agree with you. It DOES matter. Why buy technology that rocks with DX 8 rather than DX 9 titles for the future?
Totally man, I agree with you. It DOES matter. Why buy technology that rocks with DX 8 rather than DX 9 titles for the future?
i place no faith in 3dmark2003 at all, not with nvidia least of all. the only thing i use it for is to make sure my 9800 Pro is running right and something's not fooked up in it
i place some amount of faith in 2001, as it gauges your entire system and not just your card, but i don't freak out about it, it gives me ballpark estimates
i place some amount of faith in 2001, as it gauges your entire system and not just your card, but i don't freak out about it, it gives me ballpark estimates
Gordon'sFreeman
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i cant wait for HL2...
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dawdler
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Actually, it where a crock of shit, since the post commented to be a crock of shit said "Also, they did a special bechmark on Doom3 (which is second to HL2 as the DX9 game)"
Doom III is has an OpenGL rendering engine :dozey:
And its not about the games. Its about the gamers. I got a 9700 Pro in februari. I was thinking on a 5800 Ultra (and had been for the last 5 months before that). I couldnt be more happier... And I'm a gamer, not a game.
Yes, I am an ATI Fanboy. I'm proud of it, I have been fiercly defending ATI ever since I got it
=Coy0te=
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So basically now that you have bought ATI hardware your going to defend it to the end….. I find people like you are so lame. I’m not a NVIDIA fanboy ( I’m getting an ATI card for my new PC) but I hate people like you who stay awake at night wondering whether their $400 card was worth it after it lost to another card because it failed to render a slack jawed turtle in the Mother nature test as fast as the other. Pfffft and you call yourself a gamer? :flame:
crabcakes66
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Im no differant than him.
I never owned an ATI before i got my 9700pro. Ive always had 3dfx and nvidia cards.(edit and a diamond stealth)
I always heard nvidia fanboys saying that when the 9700pro and 9500pro first came out they had crap for drivers and that ati drivers sucked in general.
Mabey they were not on-par with nvidia when they came out....but ive used both brands and the driver issue just isnt valid anymore.
My point is.....they make great hardware.....it runs fast, and looks good.
I will defend them becuase i have respect for the fact they dont need to cheat(im not talking optimise. i mean blatant 30% score increase's)on benchmarks....to sell there harware....they have a superior product and they know it.
crabcakes66
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Its funny.....like 2-5% of all people that use ATI cards have major problems....
but for everyone else everything works fine.
I guess thats why people still say there drivers suck.
and out of those 2-5% 75% of peoples problems are cuased by previous installations of nvidia drivers.
Originally posted by SLH
Always remember - Having an argument over the internet is a bit like being in the special olympics; whether you win or loose, you’re still a retard.
and remember, everytime somebody says that, a puppy is molested :afro:
don't use cliches
=Coy0te=
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Well I'm constaintly getting lock-ups. At first I though It might be previous NVIDIA drivers so used driver cleaner no such luck. It's not the temp because it happend even when the computer had just started.
I reformatted the coimputer and put on a fresh coppy of win XP pro still nothing. I want to love ATI, I really do They seem like such a good company that have a kick ass range of hard ware. but this driver issue is driving me nuts......
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Xtasy0
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do you have fast writes disabled? a lot of motherboards don't support fastwrites and can cause stability problems, best idea is to turn off fast writes in the bios and also set them to off in smartgart.
other than that it sounds like you could have conflicting hardware, or just some other piece of hardware causing an issue.
unless your lockups are only in game(graphics driver problems are mostly only experienced in game and usually doesnt cause a complete lockup), but you didn't specify, you also didn't specify what other hardware is in the system....
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have you reported the error to ati? so it can be fixed in the next driver?
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Hold on here soo many wrong comments first and formost I'm not a Nvidia Fanboy, I started to play games just as 3d-graphics cards where coming into exsistence.
Ok now that website is really gay and I mean really gay, I haven't heard any world on Halo Using the features of DX9 the advanced level shadders and so on because, it's basically a port of the xbox verison except for the mutiplayer which is fixed.
Also Vavle not supporting ATI hummm, is that why they are packing a Radeon with the game and selling it as part of a promotonal deal.
See all of you are the new ATI crew those who just came with there R9700 and 9800. Wait about 1-2 years and ATI might screw you on more than one issued driver.
To the Best of my knowledge Tomb Radier the Angle of Darkness doesn't use shaders either. Hummm, maybe they are doing games that just run on DX9. See running on a renderer is one thing using the renderers special features is another.
Ok now that website is really gay and I mean really gay, I haven't heard any world on Halo Using the features of DX9 the advanced level shadders and so on because, it's basically a port of the xbox verison except for the mutiplayer which is fixed.
Also Vavle not supporting ATI hummm, is that why they are packing a Radeon with the game and selling it as part of a promotonal deal.
See all of you are the new ATI crew those who just came with there R9700 and 9800. Wait about 1-2 years and ATI might screw you on more than one issued driver.
To the Best of my knowledge Tomb Radier the Angle of Darkness doesn't use shaders either. Hummm, maybe they are doing games that just run on DX9. See running on a renderer is one thing using the renderers special features is another.
wrong
Halo is not just a port, they rewrote alot of the engine as the xbox version was completely optimized for the geforce 3 ti in the xbox, Halo does take advantage of directx 9 shaders
Tomb Raider does use alot of directx 9 features, pixel shader 2.0 being one of them, and the main one in question. Halo also uses pixel shader 2.0
and cyote, that sounds to me either like your mobo is screwing up fastwrite, or you have an inadequate power supply.
what kind of power supply do you have, brand and wattage
and also try that fastwright thing
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=Coy0te=
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I already have turned off fast write. The lock-ups only happen in game ( the music still plays) but when it happens the is a loud click comming from my vid card . I have a feeling it could be the power supply I only have a 300-350 (cant remember) PSU and that is soaked up by 2 HDs already......
. I have a feeling it could be the power supply I only have a 300-350 (cant remember) PSU and that is soaked up by 2 HDs already......
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Originally posted by =Coy0te=
I already have turned off fast write. The lock-ups only happen in game ( the music still plays) but when it happens the is a load click comming from my vid card
have you checked the fan on the videocard?.......
what otherhardware is in your system? motherboard? cpu? ram? soundcard? etc..etc..etc..
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and i take that as a no, you havent reported the bug so it can be fixed?.... (although personally i'd say its a hardware issue Not a driver issue).
make sure it's spinning alright and such, test it with your finger to make sure there's no resistance
and yeah, i would recommend at LEAST a 350 watt, quality psu, you can buy a poor quality 450watt and it could do this stuff to you, so around a 350-400 watt quality should do the trick
also, sometimes when switching between nvidia and ati, the only thing that can really get the card to working and erase all traces of the previous one is a reformat. generally, anytime you switch between the two, a reformat should be in order
if a reformat doesn't work, then it's probably time to buy a new psu
edit: the drivers that came on my cd weren't glitchy at all, it could still be your hardware
and yeah, i would recommend at LEAST a 350 watt, quality psu, you can buy a poor quality 450watt and it could do this stuff to you, so around a 350-400 watt quality should do the trick
also, sometimes when switching between nvidia and ati, the only thing that can really get the card to working and erase all traces of the previous one is a reformat. generally, anytime you switch between the two, a reformat should be in order
if a reformat doesn't work, then it's probably time to buy a new psu
edit: the drivers that came on my cd weren't glitchy at all, it could still be your hardware
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what motherboard?
check to see if the fan is spinning, if its not then the card could be overheating (clicking sound from video card = possible broken/half working fan possibly(?).
hardware degrades over time, stuff happens, just because older drivers worked doesnt mean its not a hardware issue.
another thing i thought of, sometimes these cards are picky, now, the power extension that comes off the card, do you have the middle one plugged into the power supply molex and the one on the end plugged into the hdd? i've heard of problems if it isn't set up that way, the way it says to
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Get a new PSU then. I have said it before and I'm saying it again:
When I bought my computer, I looked at a Sirtec 340W (fairly high quality). Its wouldnt have juice enough. However the Sirtec 360W I use now is perfect, and MUCH better than the 340W in terms of amps on the rails (can take like 50% more). And when I temporarily used a 300W box, my mobo failed (lan hardware shutdown while in windows). The 9700 Pro worked though, but I had already disabled my second harddrive, a fan and a DVD player that I have normally.
Its true what they say, VERY little problems are due to the card itself... Most of it is PSU issues, old mobos or wrongly installed drivers.
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original kt266 chipset? or kt266a? i have a 9800 pro running just fine on a kt266a based mobo.
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I prefer nvidia
Its said that futuremark's 3dmark03 is not fair,so that nvidia cheated.
geforce support 16/32bit colordepth and radeon just support 24bit
but 03 just take 24bit,then geforce must run it under 32bit colordepth
I always thought that Ati's driver is too bad,it had so many bugs.
Its said that futuremark's 3dmark03 is not fair,so that nvidia cheated.
geforce support 16/32bit colordepth and radeon just support 24bit
but 03 just take 24bit,then geforce must run it under 32bit colordepth
I always thought that Ati's driver is too bad,it had so many bugs.
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radeon9800 or fx5900 is too dear for us chinese...
I couldn't afford it
and i'd like to have a Gainward 5600ultra or a Ti4200
I couldn't afford it
and i'd like to have a Gainward 5600ultra or a Ti4200
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Re: I prefer nvidia
Geforce [FX] support Int12, FP16 and FP32. Radeon support FP24. DX9 specs call [in a way] for FP24 minimum in its shaders. But it isnt end of story, as DX9 apparently in a way can do it in FP16 too, using something called partial precision hint. Maybe someone with better technical skills than me can shed some light on it
That text is confusing
Geforce [FX] support Int12, FP16 and FP32. Radeon support FP24. DX9 specs call [in a way] for FP24 minimum in its shaders. But it isnt end of story, as DX9 apparently in a way can do it in FP16 too, using something called partial precision hint. Maybe someone with better technical skills than me can shed some light on it
I'm really curious to see what all of you are going to say once the HL2 benchmark is released and it runs 30%+ faster on everyones 9800s. We already know it will, because Gabe has said so.
Will everyone still say 'it's just one game, who cares?'
Will everyone still say 'it's just one game, who cares?'
