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So's your mum.
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Also, I agree creationism sounds stupid. I do believe that there must be some sort of after-life...
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So's your mum.
You wouldn't say "this magnet is why elctromagnetism is proof". You would say, "We created this magnet based off of the science and math behind elctromagnetism. If you don't believe the science and math behind elctromagnetism is correct you can correct it by creating a magnet based off of the "Invisible Gnome Theory". Science is open to ideas, and if you could run tests, observations, and exerperiemnts that prove that the Invisible Gnome Theory is correct, and that the current science behind Ectromagnetism just so happens to not be the full picture, then the Invisible Gnome Theory would be getting taught under the Science of Electormagnetism.It has to be taught to you because if it was immediately obvious and verifiable, you wouldn't need to be taught it, you would see it for yourself. The "proof" for something that isn't immediately verifiable by yourself is also 2nd hand. You can explain electromagnetism and then point to a magnet and say its proof. But if someone explained that invisible gnomes pull together magnets and then pointed to a magnet, they would have the same proof.
Blind faith is different from faith from observation. Unless religion has given me airplanes and vaccinations which make me not die in childhood, faith in it is remarkably pointless.
Well, you're European. Europe is a land of commies.
This is really one of those things which people should be more aware of, actually. I live in an Islamic country, and after hearing people say that the earth floats on rock, and there is an energy field that prevents us from reaching the moon, I would very much prefer that a bastion of scientific trust exists somewhere.
but we are still taking what we learn as children as the absolute truth
No we are ****ing not. Drop that idea. I was raised as a protestant christian. I was told the bible was the only truth, and all other religions were offsprings.
Do I look like a christian? Most athiests were religious at one point. If people take what they are taught as childeren as truth when they are adults how come some of us are athiests? How come we are not writing out lists to father christmas?
And here we go! Proudly marching into the 16th century! All aboard the train to the dark ages! Choo Choo!*sigh* All this talk about God(s) and no god, and evolution, is mentally and emotionally draining to me. It isn't to anyone else?:| I wish I could find some immediate reference to back up my claims to CptStern, but I don't have time right now. BTW:Charles Darwin was a quack. His theories are totally bogus and he should be erased from the pages of history. A big waste of time to the scientific community, (not the creationists.) Piece Out.
Blind faith and an incredible capacity for self delusion.
Why can't 7 days in Genesis be more than just 7 human days.
Genesis was a vision, not everything has to be taken into belief. It could be a parable or just a story, but who says 7days is 7days. 7days to God can mean 7million years for man which allows evolution to take place. God want man to be made thus just uses a wonder sucha s evolution to make it happen.
Huzzah
Why can't 7 days in Genesis be more than just 7 human days.
Genesis was a vision, not everything has to be taken into belief. It could be a parable or just a story, but who says 7days is 7days. 7days to God can mean 7million years for man which allows evolution to take place. God want man to be made thus just uses a wonder sucha s evolution to make it happen.
Huzzah
If God's version of a day is so different than man's, then don't you consider it an absolute failure on his part for not making this clear in the Bible? After all, we're talking about the book that is supposed to be the foundation of the Christian religion, for men.
It's like if I told you to make me a hat, but my definition of a hat is actually pants. This argument doesn't hold up under any modicum of scrutiny. And the "God made evolution" one is almost as bad. Isn't it convenient how the more we come to understand the workings of the world, the more God is pushed into the backseat, and yet we still pretend he's valid.
"I want to make life. But instead of designing it as so, even though it would require literally no effort in light of my limitless powers, I'll make a process that generates organisms over millions of years! Sure, most species will go extinct over the course of time. But I'll keep plugging at it until homo sapiens arrive. Then I'll give them a book!"
This is ridiculous.
"I want to make life. But instead of designing it as so, even though it would require literally no effort in light of my limitless powers, I'll make a process that generates organisms over millions of years! Sure, most species will go extinct over the course of time. But I'll keep plugging at it until homo sapiens arrive. Then I'll give them a book!"
I was brought up to believe that the Bible was written by man about God, to explain the inconsistent parts. I don't think the non-creationist churches believe the bible to be the literal word of God.
Still if Genesis isn't strictly true, it somewhat undermines the original sin thing.
God supposedly pumped the authors full of the holy spirit and inspired their writings.
If God's version of a day is so different than man's, then don't you consider it an absolute failure on his part for not making this clear in the Bible? After all, we're talking about the book that is supposed to be the foundation of the Christian religion, for men.
It's like if I told you to make me a hat, but my definition of a hat is actually pants. This argument doesn't hold up under any modicum of scrutiny. And the "God made evolution" one is almost as bad. Isn't it convenient how the more we come to understand the workings of the world, the more God is pushed into the backseat, and yet we still pretend he's valid.
"I want to make life. But instead of designing it as so, even though it would require literally no effort in light of my limitless powers, I'll make a process that generates organisms over millions of years! Sure, most species will go extinct over the course of time. But I'll keep plugging at it until homo sapiens arrive. Then I'll give them a book!"
This is ridiculous.
God supposedly pumped the authors full of the holy spirit and inspired their writings. It's supposed to be the word of God as dictated to men. I guess you could say that God was writing through these people, possessing them all Bill & Ted style.
That actually makes it more stupid, the more I think about it.
If God's version of a day is so different than man's, then don't you consider it an absolute failure on his part for not making this clear in the Bible?
Not completely -- perhaps in seperate dimensions, time is distorted.
Not completely -- perhaps in seperate dimensions, time is distorted. I hope that doesn't frusterate what you're trying to do.
This is just one more assumption heaped on another, and it doesn't resole anything.
As an all-powerful being he should be able to convey himself to his children in a way that is understandable to us. Surely he could explain this?
Why not just take the entire bible as a fricken story? Where it was written by a bunch of drunken men?You really have to blame moses right thar. He was the one who had a vision on Genesis. Genesis wasnt a recording btw it was an interpretation. Could be a story. And on evolution, im not bashing it. i belives it huzzah. And its great so why didnt God just do that. Absinthine, chill, we rock.
"I want to make life. But instead of designing it as so, even though it would require literally no effort in light of my limitless powers, I'll make a process that generates organisms over millions of years! Sure, most species will go extinct over the course of time. But I'll keep plugging at it until homo sapiens arrive. Then I'll give them a book!"
This is ridiculous.
As an all-powerful being he should be able to convey himself to his children in a way that is understandable to us. Surely he could explain this?
Yes, but that makes it even more retarded.
God supposedly pumped the authors full of the holy spirit and inspired their writings. It's supposed to be the word of God as dictated to men. I guess you could say that God was writing through these people, possessing them all Bill & Ted style.
Thats not what happened according to them.
Maybe "he" is not a god. Not in the sense a proclaimed, "child of abraham" would expect or believe of one.
I disagree. Certain laws on Earth change or are completely inert when applied to Quantum Law. Surely the laws of space are completely dissolved when we imagine the possibility of going past or beyond what we know in our dimensions.
They'res certainly more to our existence then meets the eye.
Ask yourself this -- wouldn't Satan also have that capacity? It is a war between him and God; its not unlike war for they're to be forms of sabotage.
Thats not what happened according to them.
Maybe "he" is not a god. Not in the sense a proclaimed, "child of abraham" would expect or believe of one.
I disagree. Certain laws on Earth change or are completely inert when applied to Quantum Law. Surely the laws of space are completely dissolved when we imagine the possibility of going past or beyond what we know in our dimensions.
They'res certainly more to our existence then meets the eye.
Ask yourself this -- wouldn't Satan also have that capacity? It is a war between him and God; its not unlike war for they're to be forms of sabotage.
Yea and doesnt it also say in the bible that God will win? I dont see how this argument is any different than when creationist say, 'hey these lifeforms didnt evolove over millions of years! God hid those bones there to challenge our faith!' Its just excuse rationalizations. Im really open to any idea, Im not trying to cut you down but its like already believing in something and then working your way backwards omiting what doesnt fit..Ask yourself this -- wouldn't Satan also have that capacity? It is a war between him and God; its not unlike war for they're to be forms of sabotage.
Thats not what happened according to them.
Maybe "he" is not a god. Not in the sense a proclaimed, "child of abraham" would expect or believe of one.
I disagree. Certain laws on Earth change or are completely inert when applied to Quantum Law. Surely the laws of space are completely dissolved when we imagine the possibility of going past or beyond what we know in our dimensions.
They'res certainly more to our existence then meets the eye.
Ask yourself this -- wouldn't Satan also have that capacity? It is a war between him and God; its not unlike war for they're to be forms of sabotage.
The god of Abraham is all-powerful. He could completely dispose of Satan if he wanted to.
According to who? Christians or Jews who believe that evolution was made by God? If so, then it happened exactly as I illustrated it. There's no other way it could have happened.
It doesn't matter what he or it is (if it even exists), because I am attacking the belief in the Abrahamic god. That's all that matters.
A deity described as being all-powerful would have been more than able to make this clear for us.
Couldn't he have put in an addendum saying "Heads up, guys. When I said I made the Earth in seven days, that's like forty xillion years to you guys."? If he couldn't clarify this, then he'd be intentionally misleading.
Yeah, if you accept pseudoscience and blind faith.
Your avoiding the question. If god is incomprehensible, then he has to convey himself in a way that is comprehensible. If he doesn't, as you are suggesting, then he is misleading - nay, outright lying, to us, "his chosen biengs".
And here we go! Proudly marching into the 16th century! All aboard the train to the dark ages! Choo Choo!
...This is arguing about fantasy.
The idea that Satan is masquerading behind all these religions is not a popular one, so there's no point in addressing it. After all, we are talking about things that are unverifiable by their very nature.
My intent is to show how empty and absurd it is.
Implying we are somehow narrow-minded for not entertaining such drivel seems ill-thought.
These theories that try so desperately to match up their religious beliefs with hard science are dismissed not out of irrationality or prejudice.
Maybe because Satan is the God of Abraham. It's not far fetched to believe that in some religions, Satans merely the meta-supernatural description for God's own wrath, thereby ruling them one in the same.
They're are certainly other denominations that don't follow the, "last 6,000 years" and onward thought. Although I might be a skeptic of the theorey for evolution, its still not unlike me to see where it is indeed possible if also in need of better examples. For instance, no one has physically recorded genetic changes in human beings to date or observed recent changes in they're performance as a species.
Nothing. The god of the bible scares me about as much as dragons, unicorns, sea monsters and giants do. (All of the previous mythical creatures appear in the old testament if you didnt know already)Whats so intimidating about him?
You got that right. Your answer isnt clear at all... In fact its a rather 'murky asnwer' to use a phrase borrowed from daniel dennet.Answers aren't always meant to be clear -- a species doesn't have the compunction to think if it already knows.
Firstly you're clueless as to what the word theory means. A theory must be supported by evidence or it isnt a theory. Hence I refer to Bertrand Russels teapot. The burden of proof rests on you and any bizarre claim you make.Which is where my theory comes into play. God didn't inspire these men to write the bible, just like Gabriel didn't inspire scholars to record the discussions between him and Mohammed for the literature in the Quran. It's possible Satan has mislead most denominational followers at exactly they're source.
And all three of them have set themselves up for failure.
Three of the worlds most powerful geo-political religions squaring off in a war of distraction, all because Satan farted inside all they're biblical play books.
Science isnt a closed minded or bigoted and is in fact open to any suggestion so long as any claim can be backed up by evidence. If we could prove god existed then wouldn't that be the greatest scientific discovery ever made? However proof always requires evidence and in the case of a creator or god there simply is none... so far!It takes a blind man not to see where other things are possible. Science was inspired by exploration, imagination, question and possibility against the boundaries of social laws and religious control. Ruling something out due to an irrational phobia or bigoted disposition is not an exercise of rationality, but unconditional fear and misunderstanding.
Absinthe's statement still stands. Why cant a creator or god simply make himself clear? maybe by popping up and actually saying hello? If that were to happen i would have my proof and i would become a believer in a second.I think we're lying about him. I think we've always lied about him. As a matter of fact, I don't believe many people know him that well, or even know him to begin with. It's a puzzle really.