Sums it all up nicely.

[clarky003]

SUMS IT ALL UP FOR ME

Its a short article, which pretty much sums everything up about release time. thats what I think anyway, :E .

.

 

[Gorgon]

Both companies will claim that the need to achieve a faster release has to do with prestige but what both nVidia and ATI are forgetting is that both titles have been delayed to such an extent that any vestige of credibility has long ceased to exist.

ty clarcky.

the question is which card will run faster on both games ?

 

[merc]

that is an interesting read... really, i could care less who backs up what game because whatever game it is my computer will slaughter it with 100fps on highest settings

-merc

 

[brink's]

I don't think any comp could handle both games at a constant 100 fps maxed out.

 

[lans]

refer to my sig.

 

[merc]

I don't think any comp could handle both games at a constant 100 fps maxed out.

i know but i will be able to play it just fine... i played hl2 on a radeon 9800 pro at valve and it didnt hitch at all!

-merc

 

[clarky003]

ty clarcky.

no, ty , yeh its definately harsh on the hardcore gamer, who would want both. you could run dual cards.. lol? right? , puts the buyer in an awkward position.. are they trying to make it difficult for us gamers who want both? are both company's really considering the gamers ..?

 

[ailevation]

:| Wow Nvidia claims to run 50% better than ATI in Doom III. That right there scares me. Let's hope Doom III will be one of those OpenGL games that will give you high FPS.

 

[lans]

:| Wow Nvidia claims to run 50% better than ATI in Doom III. That right there scares me. Let's hope Doom III will be one of those OpenGL games that will give you high FPS.

Don't you see it - very soon you'll be hearing of a merger between ATI and valve or ID and nVidia...The day will come when the tides shalt fall!

 

[Crusader]

Man that would suck..

Wait a minute, it already does suck!

Making games that run faster on one card than the other and then becoming affiliated with that card really bugs me.

And if it's the other way round, that's ten times worse!

 

[Arc. KiLL]

i agree with the article,
just get both games out already and it will all be good.

 

[Kymera]

Its true the ATI cards have a tougher time with OpenGL than with D3D (proved with benching). However, D3D games, when done right, run extemely nice on ATI cards.

This is probably where nVidia gets their "claim" from.

 

[Play4Fun]

Its true the ATI cards have a tougher time with OpenGL than with D3D (proved with benching). However, D3D games, when done right, run extemely nice on ATI cards.

This is probably where nVidia gets their "claim" from.

but theres alot of new games that using nVidia's OGL (like CoD, PK, UT2004 etc) and the only game that has the ATI logo in it is HL2 :\

 

[ailevation]

:| We know that, but it isn't just a "claim" it's a "50% more performance claim". Knowing already that ATI cards run OpenGL games worse, it could be a reality that this is true... so hopefully Doom III will offer acceptable performance regardless.

 

[Sushi]

Meh, all I know is that my Radeon 9700 should be able to run HL2 at 800x600 with a good number of features turned on. As for Doom 3, I could care less, since I see it as more of a benchmarking tool or tech demo than a game when compared with HL2.

 

[Tinneth]

Why cant they just make games that run perfectly for both types of cards.

 

[Dr0ndeh]

i know but i will be able to play it just fine... i played hl2 on a radeon 9800 pro at valve and it didnt hitch at all!

-merc

doesnt prove anything without knowing the rest of the machines specification. my guess is that in every other way it was a very high end machine. 3.5ghz + with 1.5 gigs of ram or something like that.

 

[x84D80Yx]

doom 3 will be at 60fps max and anything above that your computer will be rendering identical frames so good luck at 100 fps merc

 

[Pitbul]

but theres alot of new games that using nVidia's OGL (like CoD, PK, UT2004 etc) and the only game that has the ATI logo in it is HL2 :\

Painkiller and UT2k4 us Direct X 9. both are paid partially from nVidia to "optimize" the game for nVidia cards. that nice little nVidia "The Way Its Ment To Be Played" logo everytime you see the game launch tells you. of course these games are going to run better on nVidia boards, nVidia payed the devs to make that happen.

 

[Raziaar]

I hate that Nvidia icon. Its another pointless screen that flashes up that delays me from playing my game each and every time. Games nowadays are forcing you to skip past 5 or 6 of those cursed screens. WHo cares who the publisher and developer is? I don't. lol. Well, except for valve... valve is cool!

 

[mutt]

i think the difference between cards is goning to be very small and wont effect game play between simular cards much, its all just bs marketing hype. trying to sell cards which offer 4 fps more than the offer.

 

[Axyon]

Painkiller and UT2k4 us Direct X 9. both are paid partially from nVidia to "optimize" the game for nVidia cards. that nice little nVidia "The Way Its Ment To Be Played" logo everytime you see the game launch tells you. of course these games are going to run better on nVidia boards, nVidia payed the devs to make that happen.

They've optimized nothing at all. nVidia just paid them to put their propaganda up, they've not altered anything to make the games run better on nVidia cards.

 

[Lanthanide]

I hate that Nvidia icon. Its another pointless screen that flashes up that delays me from playing my game each and every time. Games nowadays are forcing you to skip past 5 or 6 of those cursed screens. WHo cares who the publisher and developer is? I don't. lol. Well, except for valve... valve is cool!

I know, it annoys me too. Why can't they just take all of the logos and make a new intro movie out of all of them in order. That way you'd only have to press space/esc once to skip all of them, instead of 4-5 times.

 

[Play4Fun]

I hate that Nvidia icon. Its another pointless screen that flashes up that delays me from playing my game each and every time. Games nowadays are forcing you to skip past 5 or 6 of those cursed screens. WHo cares who the publisher and developer is? I don't. lol. Well, except for valve... valve is cool!

the nVidia logo in Painkiller was nice though

 

[Foxtrot]

i know but i will be able to play it just fine... i played hl2 on a radeon 9800 pro at valve and it didnt hitch at all!

-merc

Sweet, I have a 9800 pro so I hope I will get the same performance.

 

[Crusader]

They've optimized nothing at all. nVidia just paid them to put their propaganda up, they've not altered anything to make the games run better on nVidia cards.

Actually, although they don't create the engine and then optimize it just to screw one company, they work very closely with the hardware company during development to ensure they use all of the latest tricks in the hardware. There really wouldn't be much point consulting them at every stage if they didn't.

I don't think they purposely get it to run badly on other systems, that would be suicide, but they certainly focus on a particular brand of graphics card when designing the engine.

 

[Letters]

Meh, all I know is that my Radeon 9700 should be able to run HL2 at 800x600 with a good number of features turned on. As for Doom 3, I could care less, since I see it as more of a benchmarking tool or tech demo than a game when compared with HL2.

More like 1024x768 with everything maxed unless the rest of your system is ass...

 

[DvS]

doom 3 will be at 60fps max and anything above that your computer will be rendering identical frames so good luck at 100 fps merc

I've had that argument on more occasions than I would like to... so to sum it up nicely, no.... you're wrong.

Lets say that you can make 60 fps with all the options turned off, but you know you could get 100, then there's this guy who gets 60 as well, but his hardware is not nearly as good as yours... you can turn on much more eye candy than he can without going below 60, so YES, more FPS does always equal a better performance.

 

[clarky003]

Why cant they just make games that run perfectly for both types of cards.

Money, , yup its a screwed up world. it isnt Star Trek, yet

) no flaming or arguments, hasnt happened yet,, but im seeing sarcasm smileys. ,, discuss by all means, but pls be nice )

 

[Crusader]

Did you quote the wrong thing, or did you just quote something entirely unrelated to your post?

He's just saying you won't ever be able to get 100 fps because it is capped at 60.

 

[DvS]

Did you quote the wrong thing, or did you just quote something entirely unrelated to your post?

He's just saying you won't ever be able to get 100 fps because it is capped at 60.

That's not unrelated, if you're certain you should get 100fps in d3, you should have a rather good rig right? Even if capped at 60 actual frames, it's still much better than someone who can only get 60 on the lowest setting.

If I misunderstood, then some people are being overly literal *hint*100fps*hint*

 

[RoguePsi]

Even if capped at 60 actual frames, it's still much better than someone who can only get 60 on the lowest setting.

I dont understand that. 60fps is 60fps wether on a Voodoo 2 or a 9800 pro. The only difference will be with the quality, not the performance.

 

[Ames]

Money, , yup its a screwed up world. it isnt Star Trek, yet

) no flaming or arguments, hasnt happened yet,, but im seeing sarcasm smileys. ,, discuss by all means, but pls be nice )

If ATI and Nvidia joined forces, they would make more money (possibly)....*wink-wink*
:naughty:

Then we can have ultra-fast cards that would be super cheap. Barely any ad costs and almost zero competition.

Of course, we could also have ultra-slow cards that would be overpriced and have horrible drivers.

Monopoly!

 

[jameth]

uh. zero competition leads to higher prices due to a monopoly, and slower developement because they're not rushed to compete with anyone

look at Intel before AMD came along :/ you need your head checked.

 

[Axyon]

Actually, although they don't create the engine and then optimize it just to screw one company, they work very closely with the hardware company during development to ensure they use all of the latest tricks in the hardware. There really wouldn't be much point consulting them at every stage if they didn't.

I don't think they purposely get it to run badly on other systems, that would be suicide, but they certainly focus on a particular brand of graphics card when designing the engine.

That's funny, because in practically all nVidia 'optimized' games, ATi cards run it just as well, if not better in some cases. That's some focused developing, right there.

 

[Rupertvdb]

It's fairly academic though because if you have an X800 and a 6800 both running the games we plan to buy (bearing in mind the rest of the system is sufficient) then the performance shall be incredibly similar anyways. Both will be able to max everything out and both shall have high FPS, it gets to a point where its sneseless using terms like runs the game %50 better.

The real debate is for people with crap systems like me who may spend up to £200 upgrading and need to know what would give the ebst performance boosts. (I'm building a whole new comp but that's irrelevant)

 

[The Monkey]

Urk...Doom 3, bad move of them to release the game at the same time as HL2.

 

[Play4Fun]

If ur looking for a good deal > here
just place a bid, current bid US $900.00

 

[Tiddalick]

Urk...Doom 3, bad move of them to release the game at the same time as HL2.

Ah, ever had two birthdays on two days, only days apart?
No?
Well im sure its something similar to having those games released so close together :rolling: :E

 

[Rupertvdb]

now to sell some of my more healthy organs to raise the cash