Terrorism VS. Support of Bush

[kmack]

It intruiges me that the so called "bible-belt" midwest and south vote for Bush due in part (at least somewhat in most if not all cases.) to his vows to stop terrorism. Now, the places where terror actually struck (New York City, and Washington D.C.) vote OVERWHELMINGLY for John Kerry. NYC and DC both overwhelmingly dissapprove of the war. Don't you think they know best of all? Are they not the ones who witnessed the terror first hand?

 

[bliink]

It intruiges me that the so called "bible-belt" midwest and south vote for Bush due in part (at least somewhat in most if not all cases.) to his vows to stop terrorism. Now, the places where terror actually struck (New York City, and Washington D.C.) vote OVERWHELMINGLY for John Kerry. NYC and DC both overwhelmingly dissapprove of the war. Don't you think they know best of all? Are they not the ones who witnessed the terror first hand?

http://homepage.mac.com/duffyb/nobush/iMovieTheater266.html
the start isn't so relevent, but the rest is

yep i agree, a comedian said the same thing.

see above link

 

[kmack]

HAHA, there ya go, I think the Daily Show is just the cynacism we need for what is happening with our country.

 

[seinfeldrules]

Terrorism may have directly struck NYC and DC, but saying it did not effect every American is foolish. If you are saying that those are the only cities with a say in politics, why not be more specific? Poll the families who lost loved ones what they think, we'll let those families, and only those, decide how to best protect America.

 

[satch919]

I think the "bible belt" and other religious people support Bush because we're killing Arabs and fighting Islam. Its the modern crusade. Not all of them think like that but im sure there's quite a few who do.

The South still has a hard time getting rid of the Confederate flag and racism. How do you expect them to show any compassion towards Arabs and those that believe in a different God? Religion and tolerance don't work well with eachother.

 

[seinfeldrules]

I think the "bible belt" and other religious people support Bush because we're killing Arabs and fighting Islam. Its the modern crusade. Not all of them think like that but im sure there's quite a few who do.

Is this sarcasm? I'm sure 99.999% of people who were religious and voted for Bush would find that highly offensive.

 

[Death.Trap]

I think it's more interesting if we further divide the voting areas into counties.


http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mejn/election/countymapredbluelarge.png


Hmm..this is a better map.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:USA_2004_presidential_popular_vote_by_county_winner.jpg

 

[kmack]

no seinfeld, sad truth is, its true. it did not affect every american, everyone jumped on the bandwagon unfurled their flags, bought their I <3 NYC tee-shirts and voted for the president who would continue killing americans to fight terrorism while the places it occurred (and the states closest too it...) voted for Kerry, OVERWHELMINGLY. sorry seinfeld, but when you deny the facts, its just sad.

 

[seinfeldrules]

no seinfeld, sad truth is, its true. it did not affect every american, everyone jumped on the bandwagon unfurled their flags, bought their I <3 NYC tee-shirts and voted for the president who would continue killing americans to fight terrorism while the places it occurred (and the states closest too it...) voted for Kerry, OVERWHELMINGLY. sorry seinfeld, but when you deny the facts, its just sad.

Huh, what facts am I denying? How is somebody who lives in Albany any more affected than somebody living in Topeka? Going by your reasoning, the only ones who should be allowed to hold an opinion on terrorism are those who lost family members in the attack.

 

[Zeus]

^^^^
100% agreed with the above post

 

[satch919]

Is this sarcasm? I'm sure 99.999% of people who were religious and voted for Bush would find that highly offensive.

No its not sarcasm. I wish it was.

I don't care if people find my statement highly offensive. From what i've seen and read, its true. Why do you think there were so many hate crimes against people of Middle Eastern origin after 9/11? Some americans have been whipped up into a frenzy and have viewed those that share the Islamic as terrorists or terrorist sympathizers. Racism is alive and well in America, make no mistake about it.

 

[Korgoth]

I believe you some what satch, in fact I live right in the bible belt... Guess what, all the churches around here were rallying, and actually telling people who attend them, that if kerry was elected he was going to force them to marry gay people in their church and he was giong to have them pay for abortions with their tax money.

They also say that arab people are a "thorn" in their side. I've seen this kind of thinking first hand, and in this area at least, its a little worse than the fraction of a percent that seinfeld claimed.

 

[Black Ops4]

Is this sarcasm? I'm sure 99.999% of people who were religious and voted for Bush would find that highly offensive.

I still find it odd that a lot of so-called Christians vote for Bush and for the war, even when the ten commandments say not to kill, and Jesus taught forgiveness.

 

[Korgoth]

Most religous people I know are only so when its conveniant for them. IE. they do whatever all week long, then on sunday they act like good people for an hour or two, then its back to their old ways again.

 

[GhostFox]

I still find it odd that a lot of so-called Christians vote for Bush and for the war, even when the ten commandments say not to kill

It actually says "Thou shalt not murder". War is not disallowed by the bible.

And when the LORD your God delivers them before you and you defeat them, then you shall utterly destroy them. You shall make no covenant with them and show no favor to them. (Deutronomy 7:1-2)

When you approach a city to fight against it, you shall offer it terms of peace. If it agrees to make peace with you and opens to you, then all the people who are found in it shall become your forced labor and shall serve you. However, if it does not make peace with you, but makes war against you, then you shall besiege it. When the LORD your God gives it into your hand, you shall strike all the men in it with the edge of the sword. Only the women and the children and the animals and all that is in the city, all its spoil, you shall take as booty for yourself; and you shall use the spoil of your enemies which the LORD your God has given you… Only in the cities of these peoples that the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, you shall not leave alive anything that breathes (Deuteronomy 20:10-17)

Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately. But all the girls who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves. (Numbers 31:17-18)

I tell you that to everyone who has, more shall be given, but from the one who does not have, even what he does have shall be taken away. But these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them in my presence. (Luke 19:26-27)

Do not think that I have come to send peace on earth. I did not come to send peace, but a sword. I am sent to set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law" (Matthew 10:34-35)

Shall I continue?

 

[bliink]

Shall I continue?

No. Bible quotes used to prove war is ok for christians is off topic.
The thread is getting a little wobbly.

 

[satch919]

It actually says "Thou shalt not murder". War is not disallowed by the bible.

Let me get this straight. Murder is bad but war, an act that involves one human being killing another, is allowed?!?!? What if one side views it as murder?

Religious beliefs can be bent to justify a terrible act. Its happened all throughout history so why would it stop now?

 

[GhostFox]

Let me get this straight. Murder is bad but war, an act that involves one human being killing another, is allowed?!?!?

I didn't write the bible. I am anti-orginized religion in fact. I just pointed out the truth to be fair. The bible is a huge promoter of war.

 

[Korgoth]

the bible was also passed down and revised by many war/power hungry kings..

 

[Razor]

It actually says "Thou shalt not murder". War is not disallowed by the bible.


Shall I continue?

The bible wasn't written by god, it was written by man's impression of what should be right and wrong and what they think God wants.

You're basically saying that US troops can go into Baghdad and rape the women and children, throw them out of their houses and steal all their valuables, and God will look down expecting a thankyou from all the US troops for what he has given them all.

Let me get this straight. Murder is bad but war, an act that involves one human being killing another, is allowed?!?!? What if one side views it as murder?

Religious beliefs can be bent to justify a terrible act. Its happened all throughout history so why would it stop now?

Exactly, some of the most evil acts in history have been done in the name of religion. The religious people on one side say that an act is good, the religious people on the other side say the act is bad, in the end, the only opinion that matters is the religious people that are on the victorious side.

 

[ComradeBadger]

Some of the most evil acts in the world have been done in the name of politics.

The politicised people one side say the act is good, the other side says the act is bad, in the end, the only opinion that matters is the politicised people that are on the victorious side.

 

[jverne]

Some of the most evil acts in the world have been done in the name of politics.

The politicised people one side say the act is good, the other side says the act is bad, in the end, the only opinion that matters is the politicised people that are on the victorious side.

Well yes! religion was and is only a tool, the politicians issued the orders!

 

[ComradeBadger]

Abstract concepts are the opiate of the masses these days.

 

[Sprafa]

Abstract concepts are the opiate of the masses these days.

are you suggesting education :|

 

[ComradeBadger]

Education these days is essentially primary socialisation - filling in for what parents haven't done.

Tell the people their children are being educated - they approve

 

[Tr0n]

Education these days is essentially primary socialisation - filling in for what parents haven't done.

Tell the people their children are being educated - they approve

Damn glad I dropped out of high school then. :E

 

[Sprafa]

Badger, are you high ?

Never seen you like this. I hope you get better


EDIT: now seriously, what do you have agaisnt collective education. It doesn't kills innovation, you're a living proof of it.

 

[ComradeBadger]

Heh. I'm arguing some random points of view

Anyway: I have nothing against collective education - my point was the as a concept education serves as another means of control.

 

[Absinthe]

I think it's more interesting if we further divide the voting areas into counties.

And it's that kind of horribly misleading map that makes you think that you have the populace of the nation kneeling at your feet.

Here's an interesting link.

http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mejn/election/

 

[Zeus]

^^^^
100% agreed with the above post

I meant kmack's post, seinfeldrules must have posted before me

 

[FictiousWill]

Shall I continue?

Nah, it's cool. You already blew your foot off, now you're wasting ammo.

 

[kmack]

um because a terrorist attack happened about 2000 miles closer to the person in albany seinfeld.

 

[kmack]

Remember the Crusades, the bible sure let christians murder a lot of heathend.

 

[No Limit]

Huh, what facts am I denying? How is somebody who lives in Albany any more affected than somebody living in Topeka? Going by your reasoning, the only ones who should be allowed to hold an opinion on terrorism are those who lost family members in the attack.

You are missing the point. They are talking about people most likely to be attacked again; LA, NY, and DC. Do you not agree that NYC has a much greater chance of being attacked than say Alabama? So why was Alabama more scared of terror attacks than NYC, DC, and LA?

 

[seinfeldrules]

I don't care if people find my statement highly offensive. From what i've seen and read, its true. Why do you think there were so many hate crimes against people of Middle Eastern origin after 9/11? Some americans have been whipped up into a frenzy and have viewed those that share the Islamic as terrorists or terrorist sympathizers. Racism is alive and well in America, make no mistake about it.

Its not as drastic as you proclaim, not by a long shot. This is just another attempt to portray those who vote Bush as neolithic type figures who have no respect for the outside world. Face it, Kerry lost, carrying on a vendeta against those who voted for Bush will definitely not help you win the next election.

You are missing the point. They are talking about people most likely to be attacked again; LA, NY, and DC. Do you not agree that NYC has a much greater chance of being attacked than say Alabama? So why was Alabama more scared of terror attacks than NYC, DC, and LA?

There was a lot more to the election than war. Post some figures from past elections and show us all how Democrats have dominated these cities for decades, not just this election. I'm sure you can show me how Gore carried these same cities in 2000.

um because a terrorist attack happened about 2000 miles closer to the person in albany seinfeld.

Oh, so now we can only hold an opinion on terrorism if we were geographically close to the attacks? This is outrageous.

 

[staticprimer]

Remember the Crusades, the bible sure let christians murder a lot of heathend.

Yep, pope certified genocide. The crusades are still a sensitive issue for many arabs, and may be one of the reasons for their hatred of westerners.

 

[GhostFox]

This is just another attempt to portray those who vote Bush as neolithic type figures who have no respect for the outside world.

I don't know how anyone could have voted for Bush. I mean how did they operate the voting machine and thump their bibles at the same time?.....Er...that was strange...felt like I was possesed by a bitter liberal for a moment....

 

[mortiz]

You can't really blame the people who voted him in, well, you maybe could get away with blaming them for ignorance but the truth of the matter is Bush miss-informed people and unfortunately a high proportion of republican Bush supporters bought it!

 

[No Limit]

There was a lot more to the election than war. Post some figures from past elections and show us all how Democrats have dominated these cities for decades, not just this election. I'm sure you can show me how Gore carried these same cities in 2000.

Again, you are dodging the point. Red states, who have a much lower chance of being attacked than Blue states; yet they were a lot more scared of terrorists than blue states were. Do you not see the irony in that? And yes, terror and bible thumping were the 2 most important issues in this election for Red voters which is why a lot of people claim red voters are idiots and there can be a pretty solid argument made for that.

 

[No Limit]

National Exit polls from 2004:

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/US/P/00/epolls.0.html

MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE

Terrorism (19%): Bush: 86% Kerry: 14%
Moral Values (22%): Bush 80% Kerry: 18%
Total Votes Based On Terrorism and Bible Thumping: 41%

Total votes for Bush: 51%

So maybe 10% of you care about issues; the rest of you care about Bible Thumping and terrorism (when it doesn't affect you as much as others).

Now let me ask you, which of the following are the most imporant issues to you; write them in order:

Taxes
Education
Iraq
Terrorism
Economy/Jobs
Moral Values
Health Care

please include where you live with your post. Here is my list:

Economy/Jobs
Education
Health Care
Taxes
Terrorism
Iraq
Moral Values

I'm from Albuquerque NM.