Terrorism VS. Support of Bush

[Tr0n]

Terrorism affected me....

but I dont give a damn about it


Huh?

It was a joke.

 

[bliink]

Ok, if anyone has "issues" with another member, either pm a mod, or sort it out in private, but do not carry on in threads.

And try to stay on topic.

 

[BlackDahlia]

FOUR MORE YEARS!

...f'ing morons. I hope they're bloody happy. >_<

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Well, we are -- because your the minority.

 

[KoreBolteR]

Well, we are -- because your the minority.

yup, but according to the exit polls , you was the minority, hehe.

exit polls = pointless. :E

 

[K e r b e r o s]

All polling is pointless -- until they poll everyone, with at least three whole paragraphs per individual of opinion, then I wont believe a single poll.

 

[KoreBolteR]

All polling is pointless -- until they poll everyone, with at least three whole paragraphs per individual of opinion, then I wont believe a single poll.

:cheers: i agree.

 

[No Limit]

First of all, why are moral values bible thumping? How about not wanting your children to steal. That is a moral value. Do only religious fanatics want their kids to be good people?

Second of all, the actual poll listed it as "values" plain and simple. Nothing about gay marriage. Nothing about religion. People should no longer hold values in your opinion?

Terrorism doesn't affect them? Why don't you try looking up the percentages of millitary servicemen as a whole of each state. Terrorism affected everyone, whether you live in NY, the US or any other country. Your implication is that Bush only won becuase of fanatical religious rednecks. People thinking like you are the reason Bush was able to be elected twice.

When did Bush talk about kids stealing? Are you telling me that if Kerry was in office this country would turn in to one big porno? No, the only thing they talked about on the campaign trail was abortion and gay marriages. When the poll asked for values that is what they were talking about (aka religion).

That means the Bush voter only voted for Bush based on the terror threat and the bible. You can try to play this off as oh no, the poll talked about 'values overall' but that is a load of crap and you know it. What other 'values' does Bush have that Kerry doesn't that they talked about?

So, my point still stands that Bush voters didn't really have a valid reason to vote for him (unless people in South Carolina think they are on the verge of being attacked by Osama).

And like I said, everyone is affected by terrorism; I am not saying we aren't. However, people living in blue states are the ones living with the threat directly. You would think they would be worried about terror more than people in red states.

 

[CptStern]

All polling is pointless -- until they poll everyone, with at least three whole paragraphs per individual of opinion, then I wont believe a single poll.

:upstare:


*walks away grumbling about the lack of reason and logic in these forums*

 

[K e r b e r o s]

So, my point still stands that Bush voters didn't really have a valid reason to vote for him

We've already told you reasons why Bush voters voted for him. How you choose to ignore it and select what sounds best, is up to you.

 

[GhostFox]

No, the only thing they talked about on the campaign trail was abortion and gay marriages.

Since when did Kerry become pro-gay marriage?

Last time I checked he was a practicing Catholic (much more religious then a Methodist like Bush BTW). Kerry supported a limited constitutional ban on Gay marriage.

 

[No Limit]

We've already told you reasons why Bush voters voted for him. How you choose to ignore it and select what sounds best, is up to you.

List them. You didn't give me any reasons.

 

[No Limit]

Since when did Kerry become pro-gay marriage?

Last time I checked he was a practicing Catholic (much more religious then a Methodist like Bush BTW). Kerry supported a limited constitutional ban on Gay marriage.

Why are you twisting this, I do not care. I am saying that the only reason Bush won was thanks to gay marriage and abortion. You still haven't refuted that; instead you guys continue to twist this topic in to something else.

 

[Black Ops4]

Why are you twisting this, I do not care. I am saying that the only reason Bush won was thanks to gay marriage and abortion. You still haven't refuted that; instead you guys continue to twist this topic in to something else.

I really wish politicians wouldn't bring issues like gay marriage and abortion into politics.

Really, gay marriages don't affect anyone other than the actual people involved, I don't know why people care. Plus it is discrimination really, which is something usually frowned upon.

And abortions, you can't really say if they are right or wrong. Obviously it should be the parent who decides what happens to their own unborn child.

Both these moral issues are things that every person should decide for themself, not be forced by law.

Another thing that really bothers me is that John Howard (who the Australian PM in case you don't know) brought both these issues up too.

 

[bliink]

I just closed a thread because of the inane argument in there.. I will do it here to if it doesnt get back to "Terrorism VS. Support of Bush"

 

[GhostFox]

Why are you twisting this, I do not care. I am saying that the only reason Bush won was thanks to gay marriage and abortion. You still haven't refuted that; instead you guys continue to twist this topic in to something else.

I am twisting nothing. You said that Bush won because of morals/gay marriage.

I am asking how he won on that if Kerry was also anti-gay marriage. Why would only Bush get the support? Kerry wanted a constitutional ban on gay marrige. Why wouldn't the "bible-thumpers" as you refer to them vote for Kerry?

 

[No Limit]

I am twisting nothing. You said that Bush won because of morals/gay marriage.

I am asking how he won on that if Kerry was also anti-gay marriage. Why would only Bush get the support? Kerry wanted a constitutional ban on gay marrige. Why wouldn't the "bible-thumpers" as you refer to them vote for Kerry?

Because the Bush campaign did a geat job at hiding this. I agree with you, they had a similar stand (at least on marriage). However, the Bush campaign did a great job hiding that while Kerry's campaign did a horrible job at bringing it up. If Bush voters didn't vote for Bush based on moral values why did they vote for him? I already showed you this is all they voted for based on the exit polls as terrorism isn't really a valid issue.

 

[GhostFox]

If Bush voters didn't vote for Bush based on moral values why did they vote for him?

They liked the way he ran the country?

 

[K e r b e r o s]

List them.

• Reason One: They trust him with deficits and employment -- they preferred his methods of dual handling them. Vote reason.
• Reason Two: They like him because of his no bullshit attitude when involving himself with world politics -- not that they hate the reprecussions, they just hate it how none could like a no BS president. Vote reason.
• Reason Three: They like him because he pulled us out of a steep decline in employment, in under two years time.
• Reason Four: His response to 9/11 was not of diplomacy -- but one of immediate response. It was obvious we were attacked and by who, so he went after them. Vote reason.
• Reason Five: Bringing back the nations recognition of religious attitudes -- I dont care how you argue, the religious were just being ignored; all religious people. He brought back the attention they needed to perhaps develope and question themselves. Vote Reason.
• Reason Six: No Child Left Behind act brought some good opinions due to the bar of standards being raised. Vote reason.
• Reason Seven: Along with the No Child Left Behind act, he also had a no bullshit attitude about education aswell -- and promised plenty of "teacher union" changes that might allow student voice. Vote reason.
• Reason Eight: Feel safer overall with a President whos steadfast and dedicated to a single point, instead of debating them on a constant basis ... cough*Kerry. Vote Reason.
• Reason Nine: Preferred a President whose voters did'nt get in people's faces and tear down other peoples sign at protests -- while on the opposite, Kerries did. Makes Bush more appealing and welcoming. Vote Reason.
• Reason Ten: Protected a balance between science, and an over-stepped science which involved the plausible trade of Stem Cells. He denied such, but allowed some research without involving human lifes as a trade market. Vote Reason.
• Reason Eleven: Paid more attention to the environment then the candidate Kerry did. Vote Reason.
• Reason Twelve: Did'nt loose his cool against an aggressive Kerry in the debates; making Kerry overstep himself and appear like an asshole. Vote Reason.
• Reason Thirteen: Stands through strong all of the criticsm posted to him, making it seem that such criticsms are just paranoia. Vote Reason.
• Reason Fourteen: Did'nt get mad at middle-voters for not taking a side early on. Was'nt competitve to get them openly, but still managed to get many of them.
• Reason Fifthteen: When people questioned him from the audience, he answered honestly, and he did not change topics to find a way to attack against Kerry.
• Reason Sixteen: Trust his charisma and social stature much more then Kerry's, who seemed washed up, old, and at a loss of direction.
• Reason Seventeen: No more attacks from terrorists on our homeland thus far -- I think people appreciate that the word of the President has been met thus far.
• Reason Eighteen: He's increased law enforcement presence and vigilance in Urban districts, reducing crime levels.
• Reason Nineteen: His overall attitude -- besides no BS, he's also got an open and friendly attitude if your not willing to curse and yank your hair out at him.

Just some reasons -- other members might have other contributions to why they voted for Bush; but lets just exclude the opposites opinions on how Bush voters are dumb or blind. Those who voted for Bush, add your reasons and families reasons -- reasons are different per people.

They liked the way he ran the country?

Blam.

 

[No Limit]

Thank you, see how easy that was. Now, if I don't get to telling you why you are wrong today I'll take care of it tomorrow .

 

[seinfeldrules]

Thank you, see how easy that was. Now, if I don't get to telling you why you are wrong today I'll take care of it tomorrow .

How can the reasons he voted for Bush be wrong? They are his reasons.

 

[Zeus]

Bush won because of the bible belt.

In a small diner on the outskirts of the town, Ruth Coleman, 58, the mother of a Baptist pastor, was treating her five-year-old granddaughter Kendra to lunch. “I am creationist,” she said stoutly. “I believe God made the Earth 6,000 years ago and he deserves the credit. If there was evolution, why are there still monkeys?”

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Yea, so maybe people will stop getting in the faces of religious people, and making them vote for Bush. Think about that.

Your not welcoming anyone by discriminating based upon vote factor.

 

[GhostFox]

Anyone who has studied up on the election should know that the Bush team worked very hard to court both the secular and religious vote, which is why he won.

 

[MJB006]

to get back to the very first question about how dc and ny voted for kerry it goes much further and deeper than the events of sept. 11th or bush. anyone familiar with the amercan political elections would know that since well pretty much forever ny and dc are two of the main democratic base states. Thats why they voted for kerry.

 

[diluted]

How do you expect them to show any compassion towards Arabs and those that believe in a different God?

Ironically, they believe in the same God (which never ceases to amuse me). One of the core beliefs of Christianity is that there can only be one God, so then obviously Muslims are praying to the same God as Christians because there can't be any other Gods. Although, I suppose you could bring out the 'their God is a false God' argument, but that's just stupid.

 

[Zeus]

I would like to belive that a little bit of creationism and a little bit of evolution took place. There is a TON of evidence that some evolution occured but I would still like to belive that some creationism happened. You can't just be a fool and keep going against evidence when there is indesputable proof that some evolution DID occur. Being religious is one thing, there is room for belief in God (I am christian myself) but these people gotta stop being stupid and going against evidence.

 

[bliink]

This thread has been sufficiently derailed.

It was terrorism and bush support.. now its christianity and gay rights.. just another political jumble thread.

Closed.