The Dark Knight

Wha'dya Think?

  • Epic, Awesome, Amazing, Best Superhero Film, Mutha ****in Perfect.

    Votes: 100 64.1%
  • Pretty good film, maybe the best Superhero movie.

    Votes: 38 24.4%
  • It was alright.

    Votes: 13 8.3%
  • Disliked it.

    Votes: 5 3.2%

  • Total voters
    156
I loved Batman Begins when I first saw it, but I have to admit that it has quite a few flaws that bring the film down.

1. Crappy dialogue in spots: the word fear is overused like crazy, certain phrases are used twice for some odd reason ("Why do we fall?", "Nevah!" "You never learned to mind your surroundings!", etc) and....

2. ....silly use of jokes: "Nice coat" "I've got to get me one of those!" I did like some of the jokes, though. Most of the better jokes were from Alfred.

3. Hammy performance by Tom Wilkinson. Strangely enough, I liked him when I first saw the film, but yeah, he hammed it up something fierce.

4. One dimentional portrayal of the mob. They're basically, like, evil and stuff. Where was Falcone's family? Read The Long Halloween for a decent portrayal of the mob.

5. The plot was occassionally spoon-fed to the audience. Remember the scene where Mr. Earle learns that the microwave emitter has been stolen?

6. The last act in particular, with the speeding train, was pretty lame. I hope the finale in The Dark Knight is a bit more exciting and less cliche.

Most of my quibbles have to do with the dialogue. I don't understand how Chris Nolan, the guy who wrote Memento, allowed some of this cheesy dialogue into his film. Baffling, really.

I'm still really, really looking forward to The Dark Knight though. This is my most anticipated movie ever, by far. I hope it corrects some of the problems I had with BB. I think it will correct a few of them, but I don't expect it to correct all of them. It does appear that a few have been corrected:

1. Jonah Nolan replaced David Goyer as screenwriter. Granted, some of the dialogue in the trailer isn't great ("You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain" is a little corny and obvious) but I have a feeling it will be improved. I bet that most of the more cliched jokes are gone as well as repeated lines.

2. A lot of people complained about the camerawork in Begins, but the camerawork in the trailers shows promise.

3. We have a new Rachel Dawes, thankfully.

4. Ledger will totally sell some of the clunkier dialogue. I thought that Neeson did this as well, but Ledger will do it even better.

5. Nolan seemed to hint at more detective work for Bats.

6. The main villain is seen throughout the film. The "final battle" will probably seem less jarring.
 
As much as I love the Joker, I am a bit more interested in how they will handle Harvey Dent's downfall and descent into madness as Two-Face. Aaron Eckhart is a brilliant choice for the role imo.

But I also hope they don't go the route Spiderman 3 did of having waaaay too many villains. It seems that the villain in this one will be exclusively The Joker for the most part, which is a good thing, because Two-Face is far too interesting, to me at least, to be a secondary villain in this film.
 
1. Crappy dialogue in spots: the word fear is overused like crazy, certain phrases are used twice for some odd reason ("Why do we fall?", "Nevah!" "You never learned to mind your surroundings!", etc)

Agree.
2. ....silly use of jokes: "Nice coat" "I've got to get me one of those!" I did like some of the jokes, though. Most of the better jokes were from Alfred..

Welcome to every Superhero flick in history, theres been much campier lines :p
The second one will have them too, "Da' Lamborghini den? Yes... much more subtle" tbh, I'm down with most cheesey humor like that in superhero flicks, always seems fitting.

1. Jonah Nolan replaced David Goyer as screenwriter. Granted, some of the dialogue in the trailer isn't great ("You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain" is a little corny and obvious) but I have a feeling it will be improved. I bet that most of the more cliched jokes are gone as well as repeated lines.
Meh, I actually liked that line, set the tone well, especially since Harvey himself becomes the villian.


On the note of Begins, I was very happy with the villian choice, not someone who is super strong, a good start off villian.
Plus, the scarecrow is my favorite Batman villian and I love the way he was portrayed, I think a lot of people didn't appreciate how awesomely he was portrayed-
*slams hands down on desk* "THEY CRYY AND THEY SCREAMMMM"
During that part I was all like "O_O Awesome"

I also liked the tumbler a lot, which was a totally new concept for a batmobile, a lot of people dislike it, "ehh, it looks like a tank", yeah, that's why it's effing awesome.
 
Pretty much agree with you Bob, although I didn't have anything against Tom Wilkinson's performance. I blame David Goyer for the shitty dialogue.
 
I think most of the "criticisms" that are leveled at it are more results of it's comic book pedigree. It's simpler than it could be, but at the same time its that simplicity that makes it so evocative. One of the comic's best strengths as a genre has always been to boil situations down a little so they can investigate what is at their core.
 
Hrmmmm, Harvey looks a little crispy in this scene: http://www.whysoserious.com/myhero/
Oh snap, look at these tv ads with new scenes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vEau49Q-Jg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGFX-iD_HH4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjgG_xVAG4Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Fd7IY_sRJY
Btw here is a refresher for you people:
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Much better looking now obviously.
 
Shit, sometimes I think this movie will be too epic for me to handle.
Yeah, I'm seeing it opening night, yeah, I'm dressing up as either the Joker or Harvey Dent, yeah I'm a geek :p

The part where they show the joker in that blueish surrounding moving really fast interests me greatly.
 
Damn, was hoping they wouldn't pull a Spider-Man and cram 50,000 villains into one movie.
 
"I thought you was dead"

"half"

That is so badass.
 
Damn, was hoping they wouldn't pull a Spider-Man and cram 50,000 villains into one movie.

If Scarecrow is disposed of very early, the rest of the movie can be focused on The Joker, and the end setting up TwoFace. That would work much better than what happened in Spiderman 3.
 
This movie is going to be awesome and everyone knows it. I knew the same actor who played the Scarecrow was going to appear, but is Scarecrow actually going to appear?
 
If Scarecrow is disposed of very early, the rest of the movie can be focused on The Joker, and the end setting up TwoFace. That would work much better than what happened in Spiderman 3.

Yeah, that'd be good.
 
I thought the Scarecrow was in the mental hospital at the end of Batman Begins? Or did he just ride off after being electrocuted never to be known what happened to him?

Edit: Also, what the **** is Alfred saying in the trailer when he says-

"Will you be takin' da back pug sir?"

-WTF?
 
I thought the Scarecrow was in the mental hospital at the end of Batman Begins? Or did he just ride off after being electrocuted never to be known what happened to him?

Edit: Also, what the **** is Alfred saying in the trailer when he says-

"Will you be takin' da back pug sir?"

-WTF?

Bat Pod.
 
If Scarecrow is disposed of very early, the rest of the movie can be focused on The Joker, and the end setting up TwoFace. That would work much better than what happened in Spiderman 3.

:LOL:

I saw Spiderman 3 last weekend. God, that was just awful. About 5 minutes through I said "wtf, 3 villains?!". Two minutes later I said "Wtf, Harry's dead?!", half an hour later I was like "wtf, emo Spidey?!". Right at the end I just said "Wtf" and it summed up the whole film for me.

This film better be better than the teaser.

Not like I'll be seeing it anyway...
 
Unhn I have really bad memories of spider-man 3. It equals star wars episode 1 in terms of disappointment :(

Anyway this film is looking more and more sweeter by the minute I can't wait! :D
 
Unhn I have really bad memories of spider-man 3. It equals star wars episode 1 in terms of disappointment :(

Anyway this film is looking more and more sweeter by the minute I can't wait! :D

Psht, I watched Episode One at least 4 times at the cinema. God, I loved it back then. Sure, it's not particularly spectacular in terms of how you might judge a film, but I certainly enjoyed it.

Spiderman 3 wasn't simply "not up to standards", it was wrong in almost every aspect.
 
yeah I can see your point. If you think episode 1 isn't a star wars film then it might still be enjoyable but as it is one i judge it as one :p

But yeah spider-man 3 was just wrong in every respect.
 
I have observed what it is that you did here.
 
I usually dislike films, but damn, Begins was awesome, and i just have to see The Dark Knight.
 
I'm still glad they got rid of Katie Holmes, she was terrible in Batman Begins.
Maggie Gyllenhaal, ftw.
 
woah :O

I ain't seen those either and they were bad ass.
 
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