the death penalty is barbaric

[15357]

You know we stopped corporal punishment because it is barbaric and it isn't a deterrent, right?

That's news to me. It certainly deterred me from "derailment", as they call it.

Whose genius idea was it to stop corporal punishment? Those damn social scientists? What do they know, with their useless PhDs and shit. I mean, come on, for comparison: Korea has corporal punishment. Ranks 2nd on the Education scale. US doesn't have corporal punishment and ranks like 40. Japan has corporal punishment, and ranks 4.


Of course there are other variables, but you still can see the difference.

 

[Sparta]

That's news to me. It certainly deterred me from "derailment", as they call it.

Whose genius idea was it to stop corporal punishment? Those damn social scientists? What do they know, with their useless PhDs and shit. I mean, come on, for comparison: Korea has corporal punishment. Ranks 2nd on the Education scale. US doesn't have corporal punishment and ranks like 40. Japan has corporal punishment, and ranks 4.


Of course there are other variables, but you still can see the difference.

5char

 

[Saturos]

That's news to me. It certainly deterred me from "derailment", as they call it.

Whose genius idea was it to stop corporal punishment? Those damn social scientists? What do they know, with their useless PhDs and shit. I mean, come on, for comparison: Korea has corporal punishment. Ranks 2nd on the Education scale. US doesn't have corporal punishment and ranks like 40. Japan has corporal punishment, and ranks 4.


Of course there are other variables, but you still can see the difference.

On a serious note, what are these other variables?

 

[15357]

A genetic predisposition to stupidity? A culture that doesn't support education? I've no idea.

 

[Saturos]

A genetic predisposition to stupidity? A culture that doesn't support education? I've no idea.

I vote for corporal punishment in all countries then. The problem with much of the Western populace is that they lack DISCIPLINE!!! So whip em', *whapisssh* WHIP EM' GOOD!!

 

[15357]

lol

Seriously, I speak from experience. My teacher used to beat the crap out of me and that put some sense into my head. The thing with corporal punishment, however, is that you have to make them understand why they're getting the stick. It's no use to punish them unless they understand. Otherwise they'll think it unfair and harbor resentment. Properly done, it gives you a sense of respect for the teacher, and the rules that you've broken, and it'll make you think twice before sneaking out again to play Starcraft with friends.

 

[CptStern]

lol

Seriously, I speak from experience. My teacher used to beat the crap out of me and that put some sense into my head.

in contrast my teachers never beat the crap out of me and I seem to have more sense in my head than you do ...so your scenario kinda falls apart

The thing with corporal punishment, however, is that you have to make them understand why they're getting the stick. It's no use to punish them unless they understand. Otherwise they'll think it unfair and harbor resentment.

this really doesnt apply with the death penalty. corpses tend not to retain the lesson they're given

"dont do that again!!!"
<pulls switch on electric chair>

I understand you were talking about corporal punishment I'm just being facetious

Properly done, it gives you a sense of respect for the teacher

lol, respect in the sense that you fear another beating. ya that's the kind of respect teachers and students should have. it's up to the parent to discipline NOT the teacher. if a teacher so much as touched my kids I'd feed the teacher my fist regardless of the situation. you dont touch MY kids

, and the rules that you've broken, and it'll make you think twice before sneaking out again to play Starcraft with friends.

so fear the beating not neccesarily learn the lesson as to why sneaking out is wrong. anyways that sounds like your parents responsibility not your teacher's

 

[Tyguy]

it's more for the rest of society than for the actual criminal.

it's society's way of saying "this is what happens when you **** with us, bitch...now go buy some shit."

 

[CptStern]

wait are we still talkiing about the death penalty or corporal punishmnet? I thought the US did away with public flogging years ago

 

[Viperidae]

That's news to me. It certainly deterred me from "derailment", as they call it.

Whose genius idea was it to stop corporal punishment? Those damn social scientists? What do they know, with their useless PhDs and shit. I mean, come on, for comparison: Korea has corporal punishment. Ranks 2nd on the Education scale. US doesn't have corporal punishment and ranks like 40. Japan has corporal punishment, and ranks 4.


Of course there are other variables, but you still can see the difference.

Too bad that with all that superior education they haven't taught you that correlation does not imply causation.

Good job.

 

[Tagaziel]

Seriously, I speak from experience. My teacher used to beat the crap out of me and that put some sense into my head. The thing with corporal punishment, however, is that you have to make them understand why they're getting the stick. It's no use to punish them unless they understand. Otherwise they'll think it unfair and harbor resentment. Properly done, it gives you a sense of respect for the teacher, and the rules that you've broken, and it'll make you think twice before sneaking out again to play Starcraft with friends.

How is this any different from backwards African countries where husbands beat their family and children on a daily basis?

 

[CptStern]

How is this any different from backwards African countries where husbands beat their family and children on a daily basis?

well they do have starcraft. whereas africans have famine and aids

 

[Shyam]

I bet numbers liked it when his teachers disciplined him.

 

[15357]

in contrast my teachers never beat the crap out of me and I seem to have more sense in my head than you do ...so your scenario kinda falls apart

Yes, but you're older. With age comes wisdom, et cetera ad.....

this really doesnt apply with the death penalty. corpses tend not to retain the lesson they're given

"dont do that again!!!"
<pulls switch on electric chair>

I understand you were talking about corporal punishment I'm just being facetious

Lol.

lol, respect in the sense that you fear another beating. ya that's the kind of respect teachers and students should have. it's up to the parent to discipline NOT the teacher. if a teacher so much as touched my kids I'd feed the teacher my fist regardless of the situation. you dont touch MY kids

Well, because of that, it is important to mix it with a full ethical education designed to instill the proper virtues. Most kids don't realize the gravity of the situation until they realize that they'll get 10 lashings on the school grounds.

Too bad that with all that superior education they haven't taught you that correlation does not imply causation.

Good job.

Didn't I just say that there were other variables to consider? Why do you keep missing the important parts of my posts?

How is this any different from backwards African countries where husbands beat their family and children on a daily basis?

Because:

#1. More formal

#2. More standardized

#3. Less emotional, more impersonal

#4. Not daily

#5. Has cause - and -effect type of teaching

#6. Understanding the REASON of the punishment is way more important.

 

[VictimOfScience]

I am against all forms of state-sponsored murder.

 

[CptStern]

even abortion?

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

even abortion?

I'm almost certain that you've managed to explode someone's veins just by posting.

 

[CptStern]

well we'll never know as they'll certaionly bleed to death

 

[Tagaziel]

Because:

#1. More formal

#2. More standardized

#3. Less emotional, more impersonal

#4. Not daily

#5. Has cause - and -effect type of teaching

#6. Understanding the REASON of the punishment is way more important.

If it wasn't for #6, I'd think this was your explanation for some kind of North Korean concentration camp. But with #6, I just see that it's institutionalized violence.

And South Korea still claims moral high ground over North Korea...

 

[CptStern]

If it wasn't for #6, I'd think this was your explanation for some kind of North Korean concentration camp. But with #6, I just see that it's institutionalized violence.

And South Korea still claims moral high ground over North Korea...

they're fascist bastards but not as fascist as those other bastards



also starcraft

 

[swan_song1973]

no one should decide whether another person lives or dies, thats my view at least. and even beyond that, death allows whoever committed the act to get off easy too. however, in this case i just think that the chinese government went way too far. he should've been shipped back to the UK and undergone a trial amongst his peers.

 

[Sparta]

#6. Understanding the REASON of the punishment is way more important.

But this is a terrible method of helping the kids understand why their acting out.

It's terrible also because it allows the teachers to say that repeat offenders are simply hooligans who don't learn, regardless of the problems they might have at home or otherwise. It allows them to wash their hands of almost any responsibility they have over the child's education.

When I was 11, my father recently left my family and I was misbehaving tons in class. In one case I was able to engrave into a mate's desk that he was having a lesbian affair with the teacher, only i didn't tell him. He told the teacher, teacher asked who it was, I said it was me and was marched off to the vice principals office for it.

From the sounds of things, it was South Korea I would've been caned and told not to do it again and then that would be the end of it. The teacher would then assume I've learned my lesson and all's well. Instead I sat down with the vice principal and we had a chat about my problems instead that helped far more than any other disciplinary action I had while at school.

My mother is also a primary school teacher and she teaches 1st graders here in Australia. She told me recently that after almost 40 years of teaching she believes that of children she taught that were acting out at such a young age in her class, the majority of them had parental issues that were the cause of it. Either from lack of parental discipline, lack of attention or outright terrible parenting. I don't think caning these kids would've done a thing to get them to behave better in class. Kids that young can't comprehend that their authority issues stem from their parents so caning them would do nothing.

 

[Tagaziel]

they're fascist bastards but not as fascist as those other bastards



also starcraft

My fascist leader can beat up your fascist leader.

Quick, someone make a MK remake featuring the big names of NKA and SK finally resolving their problems in the bloodiest way possible!

 

[CptStern]

My fascist leader can beat up your fascist leader.

no doubt. our glorious leader is a wuss:

 

[VictimOfScience]

even abortion?

LOL--those aren't real people. They even have a special name because you can't call them people til they're out. You wouldn't call magma "lava" until it is spewing and oozing from the earth's loins, would you?

 

[Saturos]

Here's a great idea. Ban capital punishment, but instead use prisoners with life sentences as guinea pigs in medical research. More efficient than animal testing and it would shut PETA up too.

We can put them in cages lined with cedar and have food dishes and water bottles just like lab mice. After all, a cold blooded killer without a conscience is no longer human anyways.

They're animals.

 

[Sparta]

Here's a great idea. Ban capital punishment, but instead use prisoners with life sentences as guinea pigs in medical research. More efficient than animal testing and it would shut PETA up too.

We can put them in cages lined with cedar and have food dishes and water bottles just like lab mice. After all, a cold blooded killer without a conscience is no longer human anyways.

They're animals.

Definitely. We can use them to test our experimental weapons on as well. At least the ones that aren't designed to kill people anyway.

 

[BabyHeadCrab]

well they do have starcraft. whereas africans have famine and aids

holy shit lol

 

[Viperidae]

After all, a cold blooded killer without a conscience is no longer human anyways.

You know when you resist categorising someone, thinking 'well he can't fulfill every stereotype that people assign to him'? Well, I think we're beyond that with you now.

Lock this thread. Every 'argument' from Dragonumbers is the same in every post. All discussion will inevitably be refocused on pointlessly refuting them.

 

[Sparta]

Hey, nobody puts Numbers in corner.