The OICW from the 2003 videos/ need new guns for expansions

[wse_jack]

This image was taken off of this site, the image is from the videos we all saw before the delay in 03.
http://www.halflifesource.com/half-life2/weaponmodels.php

For those of you who dont know what that is, its an OICW. There is not an assult rifle better than the OICW to hit video games, FarCry has the best example of it.

They took the OICW out of the game, for reasons unknown, It realy dosent matter cause all the game sports are half-assed versions of the original game, and not even all of the guns from it. Only the gravity gun was truly an omage to what the originals kickassity leveled at in combat.

They may have taken the gun out, though I cannot think of any reason for them to do so concidering that the OICW has no master in the assult rifle world. They didnt replace it with another assult rifle, just a dinky sub-machine gun and a pulse rifle that cannot even come close to compare. The shot gun was the only advancement in the games combat from the original.

I want the OICW back. I need the OICW. I'm tierd of this spray and pray sub crap and this pulse rifle that you can only hold 3 reloads in. I want a scoped out high powerd assult rifle with a 6 round, semi-auto grenade launcher and a 2-3x amcog infrared built in mini scope. Is there any way of getting ahold of the gun from valve, they must have back up data somewere of the things they took out (hydra, ect...) Is there any way to get ahold of it?

If not or and as a side note: If they put some sort of assult rifle like the OICW in Aftermath or Lost Coast, thats fine by me. The game allready sufferd from dated shooting controls and gameplay... why not make up for it with a gun for the new chapters worthy of Gorden Freeman... our indespensible theoretical physics PhD from MIT, who some how knows how to fight better than black ops government commandos... while at the same time has still never been laid.

You got to have new guns for the expansion, the old ones are cool and all but they were far from anything special like the guns in FarCry or FEAR. Come out with some shear badassety additions and god will smile upon valve, and kill several random microsoft employees as reward for their efforts. Course that bennefits every one, isnt god great when we offer up bad assety?

 

[Ames]

A little birdie told me that's it's coming back in Aftermath...with sexy upgrades.

 

[SimonomiS]

Hopwires! I want my bloody hopwires!!

http://www.hydra.romeojguy.com/

That's the only mod with unreleased Valve content that I know of, the OICW code/models might still be somewhere in the SDK, I've no idea, haven't really looked.

Also, how do you know Gordon has never been laid?

I don't know how strict the mods are about the code leak nowadays. But it's only a (fairly crap) picture.

 

[skidz]

Me and a group have a private mod that adds everything back from the leak including the hydra houndeye bullsquid etc...
And all the weapons.

http://img470.imageshack.us/img470/5936/devtest00147sw.jpg
http://img470.imageshack.us/img470/3668/devtest00157ew.jpg
http://img470.imageshack.us/img470/5163/e3ship00178vs.jpg
http://img470.imageshack.us/img470/4418/testmap00077me.jpg
http://img470.imageshack.us/img470/6637/testmap00093be.jpg

We all hang out at the tub, Gabe stops by from time to time :naughty:
http://www.love-tub.com/phpbb2/index.php

 

[Hyperjag3]

I happen to be able to verify this fact .

 

[SimonomiS]

Awesome looking stuff, I see hopwires too.

HL2World offshoot? (I'm guessing from the forum name and a few of the member's there I recognise).

 

[RaBiD WeAzEL]

Me and a group have a private mod that adds everything back from the leak including the hydra houndeye bullsquid etc...
And all the weapons.

http://img470.imageshack.us/img470/5936/devtest00147sw.jpg
http://img470.imageshack.us/img470/3668/devtest00157ew.jpg
http://img470.imageshack.us/img470/5163/e3ship00178vs.jpg
http://img470.imageshack.us/img470/4418/testmap00077me.jpg
http://img470.imageshack.us/img470/6637/testmap00093be.jpg

We all hang out at the tub, Gabe stops by from time to time :naughty:
http://www.love-tub.com/phpbb2/index.php

That's really cool...... I like guass gun...

 

[diluted]

...with sexy upgrades.

...with sexy results?

 

[CommandoSR]

That's really cool...... I like guass gun...

There still remain audio dialog for rebels talking about removing the gun from the buggy so Gordon can use it later.
It goes exactly like this: "We'll get the weapon off the car for you, but you have to continue on foot." Use GFCScape to open source sounds.gfc and open gettauoff.wav from vo/coast/barn/female01 and male01 directory.
It's before the part where the buggy gets stolen by Combine from the garage.

 

[Apocalypse89]

You act like the OICW would have been the second coming of Jesus in gun form. For all we know, it might not have been any more effective than the pulse rifle or even the SMG. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if the OICW was replaced by(or simply reskinned into) one of these guns! The early screenshots where Combine Soldiers are sporting OICWs where they used pulse rifles in the final product seem to support this.

And I never get all these "HL2 has half-assed weapons" arguments. While HL1 had more weapons than 2, I rarely ever touched a good portion of them, while in HL2 I use almost every weapon extensively at one point or another. Quality > Quantity.

 

[Pi Mu Rho]

This man speaks the truth.

 

[skidz]

You act like the OICW would have been the second coming of Jesus in gun form. For all we know, it might not have been any more effective than the pulse rifle or even the SMG. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if the OICW was replaced by(or simply reskinned into) one of these guns! The early screenshots where Combine Soldiers are sporting OICWs where they used pulse rifles in the final product seem to support this.

And I never get all these "HL2 has half-assed weapons" arguments. While HL1 had more weapons than 2, I rarely ever touched a good portion of them, while in HL2 I use almost every weapon extensively at one point or another. Quality > Quantity.

Well valve left all the code from the leak in so we used that and I can tell you the weapons are awsome, especially the OICW. We fixed up the w_model so combine could hold it also, we pretty much have everything from the leak in plus more, the original story line which most of you arnt aware of

http://img112.echo.cx/img112/2889/c17garage014if.jpg
http://img112.echo.cx/img112/4890/c17garage0148iz.jpg
http://img112.echo.cx/img112/8008/c170410bx.jpg
http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/3379/e3depot200300059st.jpg

 

[Pi Mu Rho]

and that's all stuff which a lot of us don't actually care about. So you won't do anything silly like posting it on here, will you?

 

[skidz]

nope, you guys only get screenshots, I wont post anymore tho.
I know considering you are part of the staff Pi Mu Rho you wont be able to give your own opinion because you need to support Valve, and stuff like this is against the rules you must follow.

But ill finish this thread by saying Valve really screwed up, cool factor means a lot in this industry and the only thing this engine gives us other than a lame story line is the physics system.
Ill give em that much.

 

[DESSTROYER]

holy crap... nice screenshots! i see that you guys even updated the old maps!

 

[Przemek]

Is there any way we could learn about what you discovered in the original story line, skidz?

 

[ríomhaire]

They didnt replace it with another assult rifle, just a dinky sub-machine gun and a pulse rifle that cannot even come close to compare.

2 shots to kill on easy is not crap by any stretch of the imagination.

 

[Sulkdodds]

I never get all these "HL2 has half-assed weapons" arguments. While HL1 had more weapons than 2, I rarely ever touched a good portion of them, while in HL2 I use almost every weapon extensively at one point or another. Quality > Quantity.

I agree. Although it might have turned out pretty cool to add an assault rifle of some sort (the Pulse Rifle handles like a bin spraygun, not a rifle) and turn the Pulse Rifle into a big ****-off support-fire M60-style machinegun with a 60 round clip (it certainly looks the part).

 

[Polaris]

http://img112.echo.cx/img112/4890/c17garage0148iz.jpg

Oh my God! Its childern factory from Raising the Bar!

 

[CommandoSR]

I agree. Although it might have turned out pretty cool to add an assault rifle of some sort (the Pulse Rifle handles like a bin spraygun, not a rifle) and turn the Pulse Rifle into a big ****-off support-fire M60-style machinegun with a 60 round clip (it certainly looks the part).

Pulse Rifle=Incendiary Rifle.

 

[ríomhaire]

Pulse Rifle=Incendiary Rifle.

You do know what incidary means don't you?

 

[$kelet0r]

You do know what incidary means don't you?

i think he's right
the original secondary fire from one of the old videos was incendiary

 

[ríomhaire]

i think he's right
the original secondary fire from one of the old videos was incendiary

Yes the old video. it's not f*ckiong well incindary in anyway in game.

 

[$kelet0r]

but this thread is about the past rim-fire - the past being what might have been
we are not talking about the game here but what wasn't included

 

[wse_jack]

So I know that somewhere out there my OICW is, but how dose a simple minded gamer like me get a hold of something like it, if you have any info that isnt "forum freindly" email me at [email protected], much apreciated if you do, I have no idea why valve cut out the uber goodness, its like taking all the chocolate chips out of the cookie. If you have any way I could obtain any part of this deleated content, please let me know, and you might possible become my god in my respect for your kindness.

 

[rae]

It might not be the main reason but one reason as to why the OICW was cut is because it was rejected by the US military (as in never to be produced in the mainstream rejected), as it was too heavy, and they split it into it's component parts. The XM8 assault rifle is (as you probably guessed from the name) the rifle, and the XM25 is the 10mm HE round semi-grenade launcher, and both of these have been postponed as well...

 

[0mar]

The pulse rifle vaporizes people. Let's see the OICW do that .

 

[<RJMC>]

that map that looks like a dark city was suposed to be city17? it looks very cool,still the final product looks more original

 

[wse_jack]

The pulse rifle vaporizes people. Let's see the OICW do that .

Vapor is good, good for the enviroment, clean, efficiant, hard to get foresics off of nothing - but when I am officialy the most wanted man on earth and I am a might mad at the police trying to aprehend me because they keep ruining my chances of loosing my virginity to a hot chick who likes guns and tools all together.... I would rather blow their limbs off and watch them splater all over the f*cking street as the main portion still pumps what blood it has left out of the remenet apendege stubs 20 feet like a garden hose and the head rolls to my feet, still gurgling as its nerve reflexes slowly die off. What was that Stones song... satasfaction, u get my point.

 

[skidz]

Everything you saw in raising the bar we have in a map form, but they dont look as pretty as the concept art, normally very rough designs.
We have the manhack arcade as well.

Did someone say child worker?

 

[skidz]

Vapor is good, good for the enviroment, clean, efficiant, hard to get foresics off of nothing - but when I am officialy the most wanted man on earth and I am a might mad at the police trying to aprehend me because they keep ruining my chances of loosing my virginity to a hot chick who likes guns and tools all together.... I would rather blow their limbs off and watch them splater all over the f*cking street as the main portion still pumps what blood it has left out of the remenet apendege stubs 20 feet like a garden hose and the head rolls to my feet, still gurgling as its nerve reflexes slowly die off. What was that Stones song... satasfaction, u get my point.

the cremator uses the immolator, a flamethrower type weapon to clean the streets.

 

[sinkoman]

Those of you complaining that it was "uber goodness" and "the l337est thing on the planet" need to cram it.

You're treating the game like it's real life. In real life, everything is a certain way, and that's that. Now some things in real life are good, and some are bad.

But in a game, everything can be changed to be a certain way. Developers will keep things realistic in their own, but on the large scale, they can take out anything that isn't good when mixed with the game.

Now think about it. The oicw might be good in real life, but that's because it's in the real world. Now in a video game, the rifle is programmed to be realistic, but it might not be good within the game engine. See what i'm saying?

You have to remember that you haven't even played with the damn thing yet. How the hell do you know that it was the best thing in the game?

The complainers logic is "It's good to me, therefore it must be good in the game".

You should smack yourself with a hammer and be read "I may THINK it's good, but till i've played with it, I have no ****ing clue".

 

[skidz]

Those of you complaining that it was "uber goodness" and "the l337est thing on the planet" need to cram it.

You're treating the game like it's real life. In real life, everything is a certain way, and that's that. Now some things in real life are good, and some are bad.

But in a game, everything can be changed to be a certain way. Developers will keep things realistic in their own, but on the large scale, they can take out anything that isn't good when mixed with the game.

Now think about it. The oicw might be good in real life, but that's because it's in the real world. Now in a video game, the rifle is programmed to be realistic, but it might not be good within the game engine. See what i'm saying?

You have to remember that you haven't even played with the damn thing yet. How the hell do you know that it was the best thing in the game?

The complainers logic is "It's good to me, therefore it must be good in the game".

You should smack yourself with a hammer and be read "I may THINK it's good, but till i've played with it, I have no ****ing clue".

Well I have the right to my own opinion and my opinion is the game was borring but the physics engine is a lot of fun. I also believe that if the game was longer and had kept some of those great storyline ideas it would have been more interesting for me, I dont know about you guys tho.

I would have liked the airex to be in retail and the borealis trip the arctic and kranken base and the plane flight which crashes into a tower from the combine shooting you down and the cool rooftop levels. And the large wastland which was once the ocean. The team currently working on the levels wants to release something retail so you might see it yourself one day.

 

[sinkoman]

Well I have the right to my own opinion and my opinion is the game was borring but the physics engine is a lot of fun. I also believe that if the game was longer and had kept some of those great storyline ideas it would have been more interesting for me, I dont know about you guys tho.

I would have liked the airex to be in retail and the borealis trip the arctic and kranken base and the plane flight which crashes into a tower from the combine shooting you down and the cool rooftop levels. And the large wastland which was once the ocean. The team currently working on the levels wants to release something retail so you might see it yourself one day.

I don't mean you. I think what you/the team is/are doing is great, unlocking once hidden content. Kinda like a directors cut.

I'm talking about all these people who are like "OMFG HL2 GUNS SUCK SO BAD THE OICW IS THE GREATEST THING IN ASSAULT RIFLEDOME AND SHOUDL HAVE BEEN IN BECAUSE WITOUTI T WAS JUST A JUNK GAME WITH JUNK GUNS".

Their "If I think it's good, it has to be good" mentality pisses me off to no end.

 

[skidz]

OICW is a noisy gun, thats why I tend to not use it
Could always be made quieter but its loud and feels very powerfull. Good for bangin heads from a distance.

 

[bam23]

The OICW and incendiary rifle have been combined to make the pulse rifle (hooray captain obvious). Find an OICW skin and sound pack.

 

[DoctorWeeTodd]

Everything you saw in raising the bar we have in a map form, but they dont look as pretty as the concept art, normally very rough designs.
We have the manhack arcade as well.

Did someone say child worker?

It's Haley Jole Osmond!

And oh yeah the leak can we talk about it now? I mean the actual product has been out almost a year and I don't see how any spoilers or bad that can come out of it. It's not like we're apying the hacker who broke in money.

When the game was in production the rule made sense.

 

[Apocalypse89]

I still want to see the wse_jack's explanation for why he thinks the OICW is the best thing since sliced bread, and how he even knows it would have been any better than the current SMG or Pulse Rifle.

 

[ríomhaire]

BTW. The cremator's gun caused organic matter to catch fire rather that be a flamthrower its self I think.

 

[Cukel]

skidz: Where exactly did you get this content? From the two year old leak? I doubt all this was there. And anyway, the leak is still stolen goods, no matter year after the game's release. You're definately not going to publish anything retail like that.
On the other hand, if you made this all by yourself, keeping the leak and Raising the Bar as a base to build on, why not release it to everyone? Those levels and weapons look good.