The reason behind 911?

[ALEXDJ]

funny (or sad), that most Americans i talk to, really think that Islam is a violent religion that tells them to kill
and most don't want be believe me when i tell them otherwise
i think it more sad than funny

 

[Dynasty]

hmm notice how all the polls are pretty much about why the terrorists attacked the US...and none about WHY (ie the iraqi getting their own back by blowing up 2 buildings, in an attempt to compensate the number of deaths over the years of american bombing..)

no one seems to understand WHY the iraqis attacked in the first place...america had it coming

 

[ALEXDJ]

no one seems to understand WHY the iraqis attacked in the first place...america had it coming

no, i think if you seek knowldge, you understand, like most of us here

 

[jondy]

no one seems to understand WHY the iraqis attacked in the first place...america had it coming

heh, this thread is about to get a whole lot longer

 

[ALEXDJ]

heh, this thread is about to get a whole lot longer

acually i think it's done, after you said that

*shout* close the thread, close the thread

 

[Scoobnfl]

very peaceful especially towards their own women

http://www.hambastegi.org/english/selectedarticles/editor121.htm



Founded by a camel driver in the Arabian desert after he married the woman who hired him. She was 15 years his senior. After marriage he gave up his work and studied religion. In 622 AD he had to flee from Mecca to the city of Yathrib in the Arabian Peninsula because of his teachings, in which he had denounced all other forms of religion. This is known as the official year of the founding of Islam. In Islam their calendar year begins here with 0 (zero) AH.

He became magistrate of the city and renamed it Medina, meaning "City of the Prophet". He acquired 12 wives while there. He took in many followers and combined the religion into the politics. When the Jews rejected his calls to convert, he turned against the Jews in Medina and elsewhere.

He plundered and looted all caravans passing anywhere within his reach. With this loot, he and his followers built a large treasury for the city, which was used to increase his army of followers, by whom he was able too ever increasingly gain more and more territory, eventually leading to war with the city of Mecca, which he defeated, and then he easily took the rest of the Arabian Peninsula. He was in constant warfare from the time he became magistrate of Yathrib (Medina), in 622 AD, until his death in 632 AD. In that time period of 12 years, Mohammed had conquered the whole of the Arabian Peninsula.

In the next 12 years, under the next two caliph's or leaders of Islam, the religion would go on to take Jerusalem, Syria, Egypt, Persia, and Mesopotamia! ALL BY FORCE AND WARFARE! Let's see, that's 24 years of Islam and 24 years of warfare! This would put the year at 644 AD or 24 AH.

The next two caliph's continued the same ways as their predecessors. They took the areas/regions of North Africa, parts of India, and Spain. The caliph's line continues, and the wars continue unabated. If it had not been for Charles Martel's victory in 732 AD at the Battle of Tours, France, Germany and the rest of Europe would have surely fallen. So we have 110 years of Islam and we have 110 years of Islamic warfare against the rest of the world. We have all the lands from Turkey to India, to North Africa to Spain, all in the hands of Islam! Oh, (not only) the Arabian Peninsula, Mid-east and Persia! But finally Islam has been slowed down, but only temporarily.

Now instead of large areas conquered in the name of Islam, it is smaller areas. Still Islam's drive for land and conquering people does not stop. By mid 1050 AD, a period of 318 years, Islam has gained more ground, driving north towards Russia, northeast towards the Caspian Sea and Kazakhstan, Central Asia, and northeast towards the Balkans and Greece. Constantinople, a main center of Catholicism was being threatened. Something must be done to stop Islam again, or else Constantinople itself would fall, and then Greece! Roman Popish armies fought off Islam armies alone until 1096 AD, with armies of up to 50,000 men each, battling one Muslim front. Pope Urban II in 1096 AD, because of deteriorating conditions, and the threat to Constantinople, called upon all of Christendom to contribute armies, men and material to once and for all drive the Muslims back out of Asia Minor, and maybe back, just past Palestine.

This was the first call of the "Crusades", a series of wars that would last almost another 450 years, with only small lapses in time between major wars, between another Holy Jihad and another Crusade! It would be correct to state for all practical purposes, that the war was constant until approximately 1550 AD! Now if you the reader will just take a minute and do some simple math, it becomes more than clear that since the inception of Islam in 622 AD, that Islam has been a religion of constant and consistent war! It has become the world's ultimate long distance war machine, regardless to what ANY OTHER historian has to say, in my opinion! Of the time period listed above, it is more than safe to say that Islam had been at war for more than 600 of its' approx. 900 years of existence. And even during that time of 300 years, they were still fighting wars, only on a smaller and more defined scale. Even as late as the mid 1500's, were only the last Muslim strongholds defeated in Spain! That is how persistent the Muslims were!

Now, I am sure more than a few of you will disagree with parts of the account I have given. That is human nature and I understand that. But consider this, generally: We do know for a fact that Islam started in the Arabian Peninsula after 620 AD, and by 1000 AD it had spread to vast regions, from India to Spain, to North Africa, to Turkey, and Central Asia. That is in a time period of less than 400 years. And we know more lands were conquered by Muslims after that.

Now after all this writing, the ONLY point I have been trying to make is this: Islam has been a religion of constant and consistent warfare. It is a war machine that never ever quits! Even in defeat in battle, it is looking forward, for its next Holy Jihad! It is efficient and it is ruthless! It takes no prisoners! Either you convert to Islam or you are killed! Everywhere that Islam has maintained control of those lands listed above, NO other religion is allowed to openly exist, IF AT ALL! Near the end of my article I will list some websites for you to go, and read for yourself, why this is so, according to the Koran and other Islamic Books and writings. Plus I will shortly give you some simple specific quotes and references to get you started.

To save time I will skip from the mid 1500's to the 20th and 21st centuries, giving you the reader the benefit of the doubt, here, and times involved. This is because Islam's spread did slow down during this time, to its slowest rate since its inception. The Crusades had managed to drain Islam of its ability to wage all out warfare.

After WWII Islam started making a comeback from its low point since its inception. Islam started to spread again, and under many new guises and pretenses. I won't go into the details, but we know that new forms of terrorism evolved with Islam. Islam also began to spread in the name of peace for the first time. That it was some kind of peaceful religion, and modern humanistic philosophy was all the more willing to embrace it. (Plus the mystic effect was of great benefit in fostering new interested and curious people, who saw Islam as something unique and different during the early 1950's). Not that the Islamic teaching of peace was new, but rather the way Islam applied this teaching to Western Society. Islam took the approach of implying its peaceful nature also included many peoples. More specifically targeted at Christians and Catholics to divert any negative rebuttals from hard line Christians and Catholics.

So actually we now have Islam spreading by the calling of peace as well as by practicing terrorism, and by most of all, what is called the Holy Jihads. The rebirth of Israel helped foster this more than anything, but it was only a catalyst to re-ignite the age old calls for more Holy Jihads. This teaching had never died, nor had there even been a redefinition of the term. It was just conditions and timings had not previously permitted wide ranging calls for Holy Jihads, nor was there any unifying rallying point. Israel solved all this. It gave Islam a shot in the arm to reignite its' warring traditions.

Islam has now spread to the Philippines, and it is now in the process of cleansing the country of all other religions, including Christianity and Catholicism. It has taken over the Southeast Asian country of Indonesia, the world's third most populated country, with a population of over 1 billion people. Several countries, south bordering Russia, and in China Islam is now clashing with the government as well as Buddhism. In Sudan, Africa, the country is a staging point for attacks in all African countries below it, and oddly this is occuring while Muslims are still in the process of eliminating the rest of the Christians and other religions in Southern Sudan. In England today, there are more Islamic Mosques than Christian or Catholic Churches. Today Islam has a following of anywhere from 1 billion to 1.2 billion people, according to which ever report one wishes to believe. Whatever the actual number, Islam is the world's single biggest religion, all things considered.

The only point I wanted to make from all of the above is this: Islam has not changed it doctrines concerning conquests of territories or the annihlation of all other religions! Only the methods have been improved!

The above is a very/extremely brief synopsis of Islamic history. But it is factual. You can reprove and verify any of the above by reading most any conventional Western History book. Now I want you the reader to answer a few questions, to yourself: Concerning ALL you have read above; What do you think is the current philosophy and doctrines of Islam? What does the past intent of Islam tell you about its current plans for the future? What direction is Islam headed, concerning its ambitions and goals? What would the religion attempt to do to achieve those goals; Whatever you the reader may think those goals are; Does Islam look to be the peaceful religion it claims to you to be? Should ANYTHING be done in regards to Islam, in regards to your conclusions?



from...... http://www.nccg.org/islam/Islam02-Violence.html

 

[CptStern]

jim jones, david koresh, Marshall Applewhite (heaven's gate), Timothy McVeigh, Osama Bin Laden

all cut from the same cloth




"We have no king but Jesus" - John Ashcroft Speech at Bob Jones University

full quote:

"There's a difference between a culture that has no king but Caesar, no standard but the civil authority, and a culture that has no king but Jesus, no standard but the eternal authority. When you have no king but Caesar, you release Barabas -- criminality, destruction, thievery, the lowest and least. When you have no king but Jesus, you release the eternal, you release the highest and best, you release virtue, you release potential."




"God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them."

- George W Bush

 

[ALEXDJ]

jim jones, david koresh, Marshall Applewhite (heaven's gate), Timothy McVeigh, Osama Bin Laden

all cut from the same cloth




"We have no king but Jesus" - John Ashcroft Speech at Bob Jones University

full quote:

"There's a difference between a culture that has no king but Caesar, no standard but the civil authority, and a culture that has no king but Jesus, no standard but the eternal authority. When you have no king but Caesar, you release Barabas -- criminality, destruction, thievery, the lowest and least. When you have no king but Jesus, you release the eternal, you release the highest and best, you release virtue, you release potential."




"God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them."

- George W Bush

i know it's nonsense, they are just hiding behind God and do whatever they want

 

[kmack]

I believe that is a combination of the American way of life, but that is something that they lived with (for many years) without attacking us. They disapproved but were tolerant. I think that when our policies started to instigate them it was the straw that broke the camels back.

 

[shumlya4012]

I believe that is a combination of the American way of life, but that is something that they lived with (for many years) without attacking us. They disapproved but were tolerant. I think that when our policies started to instigate them it was the straw that broke the camels back.

do you really think somebody cares how some one else lives thousands miles away? or because someone else (living thousands miles away) makes an effect on this person. it's not about american life style, it's about american life style crossing the boarders and effecting people around the globe, and by the american style i mean forien policy

 

[kmack]

do you really think somebody cares how some one else lives thousands miles away? or because someone else (living thousands miles away) makes an effect on this person. it's not about american life style, it's about american life style crossing the boarders and effecting people around the globe, and by the american style i mean forien policy

no, i think you are trivializing the way they view our lifestyle, it is with a large amount of contempt, and much of their hatred is embedded in our cultural differences. foreign policy plays a much bigger role, yes, but still they do dislike our lifestlye.

 

[shumlya4012]

no, i think you are trivializing the way they view our lifestyle, it is with a large amount of contempt, and much of their hatred is embedded in our cultural differences. foreign policy plays a much bigger role, yes, but still they do dislike our lifestlye.

dislikeing is one thing
hijacking plains is another thing
so they dislike how people live thousands miles away to extend that they attacked us? no, it's the effect they we are making on their everyday life

 

[kmack]

dislikeing is one thing
hijacking plains is another thing

oh noes! the terrorists are going after the corn and wheat of the midwest!

disliking our culture is enough to merit part of their hatred.

 

[shumlya4012]

oh noes! the terrorists are going after the corn and wheat of the midwest!

disliking our culture is enough to merit part of their hatred.

i'm not saying u are wrong, but it just seems a little unreal to hate somebody so much that u attack them, simply because they live differently (live far away)

 

[CptStern]

i's like that anne coulter thing about how the US should invade canada ...I think she truely believes that's what the US should do ...she dislikes canadians and for that reason we should be taken out ...no different from other groups that want to take out the US ...but you're missing the point ...some of the attacks on america were motivated by revenge

 

[kmack]

i'm not saying u are wrong, but it just seems a little unreal to hate somebody so much that u attack them, simply because they live differently (live far away)

i know, but it is A reason, that stacked with many others (religious, foreign policy etc).

 

[DEATH eVADER]

i's like that anne coulter thing about how the US should invade canada ...I think she truely believes that's what the US should do ...she dislikes canadians and for that reason we should be taken out ...no different from other groups that want to take out the US ...but you're missing the point ...some of the attacks on america were motivated by revenge

That would put the UK in a bad position.

On one hand, allies with the US
On the other Canada is a part of the Commonwealth

I think we would stay out of it, or would we start against the US :x