The Walking Dead TV Series (AMC)

The CDC guy need fresh samples, and they left their only fresh sample sitting next to a tree to die. Expect hijinks to ensue to try to recover him.
 
Why was there sunshine music in this, not that I mind but it was really odd for me.
 
I assume you mean the music that plays over the guy running tests in the lab. I believe this is used for effect, to symbolize a 'classy' and what would now be an 'upper class' place to live during the apocalypse.
 
Yorick said:
I'm not sure if it usually does, because I only recently caught up on watching it, but between Season 3 and 4 it's going for a 13 month break.
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fuuuucking hell, that's mammoth. me and some friends are currently watching breaking bad at the moment - i may have to slow the sessions we get together watching them down a bit if when we get to season 3 and then have to wait a ridiculous amount of time for it. unbearable.
 
knut said:
fuuuucking hell, that's mammoth. me and some friends are currently watching breaking bad at the moment - i may have to slow the sessions we get together watching them down a bit if when we get to season 3 and then have to wait a ridiculous amount of time for it. unbearable.
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Either way you don't get to wait nearly as long as we did. Just keep the standard pace.
 
taviow said:
Either way you don't get to wait nearly as long as we did. Just keep the standard pace.
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No kidding. Breaking Bad is the first show in probably over a decade that I actually watched regularly/followed. I forgot how much "seasons" suck. :(
 
Wait, this season will only have 6 episodes? Wow that blows.
 
re: music, a few episodes ago i'm fairly certain whoever composed the score for this borrowed heavily from the track ''in the house, in a heartbeat'' from 28 days later. quite annoying.
 
eh, he's okay

just watched the latest episode. i'm prepared to overlook the fact they've left camp way too early and not during the winter for the fact that the CDC angle could be quite interesting, and whilst rick was arguing with the camera the tension was really starting to ramp up for me... then ruined by a ridiculously bright light. still, end made up for the rest of the episode.
 
No, Bear McCreary is indeed a God.
Battlestar Galactica may have been mediocre in the end but you can't deny that it had an amazing score.
 
i can't remember anything about the score in battlestar galactica, that's just how notable it is to me

i've become desensitized to tv/film scores these days. it's all way, way too over dramatic for me and for the most part it does nothing but make me cringe. a great OST to me is music fitted within the atmosphere of a show regarding it's location or environment (see also: kidulthood, london/uk based grime/rap/hip-hop) or no soundtrack whatsoever aka a diegetic soundtrack, where music emanates from actual on-screen souces such as a radio, etc. the wire does this fantastically and because of it it doesn't stray anywhere close to a pacing that gives the music a chance to dictate the mood. it's all too easy for generic sad strings to play over an emotional scene but me personally? i'm a fan of silence, i'll let the actors score it themselves with what they have to say.

but let's not get into a argument or debate regarding sound. basically, mccreary hasn't done anything i've cared much about before and so far, there isn't anything about this show that makes me think ''well, at least the soundtrack is good''. the only thing i have thought of is, as i mentioned, how much in the house, in a heartbeat got ripped off in one scene.
 
Hahah, I actually like this intro more than the actual show...
 
The intro is pretty cool though.
Gets me excited whenever I see it.
 
The intro makes me depressed, because I know that as soon as it's over I won't be that excited for the next 44 minutes.

In both "related" and "good" news: THE ENTIRE WRITING STAFF FOR "THE WALKING DEAD" HAS BEEN FIRED. tl;dr: Darabont is still the executive producer and head writer, and all Season 2 episodes not written by him will be written freelance with oversight.

[edit] DAMMIT TWIX. At least I'm on the next page :p
 
Stigmata said:
In both "related" and "good" news: THE ENTIRE WRITING STAFF FOR "THE WALKING DEAD" HAS BEEN FIRED. tl;dr: Darabont is still the executive producer and head writer, and all Season 2 episodes not written by him will be written freelance with oversight.
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Episode 2 (Guts) was written by Frank Darabont, Episode 4 (Vatos) was written by Robert Kirkman. That considered, if you don't like the show now there's not much of a chance of it improving for you due to the writing staff being fired.
 
I think the writing for the shows pretty terrible to be honest. Guy wakes up in a hospital is such a cliche for Zombie films, and to stretch out the plot he never once asks "What the **** is going on" in the first episode. And 'walkers' wtf?
 
it's a zombie show. the entire premise of zombies doesnt make sense. why would people return from the dead? why would they eat flesh? if they're dead they dont need nourishment because they're dead. they can obviously survive without a intestinal tract so eatign flesh makes absolutely no sense

my point is if you think too hard on the matter the entire premise behind zombie movies/shows falls apart
 
CptStern said:
it's a zombie show. the entire premise of zombies doesnt make sense. why would people return from the dead? why would they eat flesh? if they're dead they dont need nourishment because they're dead. they can obviously survive without a intestinal tract so eatign flesh makes absolutely no sense

my point is if you think too hard on the matter the entire premise behind zombie movies/shows falls apart
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Then maybe zombie writers need to try harder. I still have that old HL2 mod of mine sitting in my mental backburner, and there are at least three ways I know of to make zombies make sense biologically and psychologically, only one of which involves a thematic change. It's not hard. You make the zombies make sense, write a solid backstory, and use it as your world bible while writing.

The Walking Dead's zombies, on the other hand, are just tropes that haven't been thought out - in each episode, we see new or different abilities and traits that sometimes completely clash with what was written into previous episodes. They're loud, but three dozen of them can sneak up on a refugee camp in a forest at night without making any noise at all. You can't get their blood on you, but aside from that single shot where Rick puts on that splatter shield, nobody ever brings this up again - and people continue to get zombie blood on them. They are mostly braindead, yet they inspect possible intruders the way a drill instructor inspects a GI's uniform.

Again, again, again: What we want is internal consistency. It doesn't matter that the zombies don't make real-life sense, so long as they make sense within the show. And they simply don't. For example, take TF2 - silly, unrealistic, ridiculous, but everything ridiculous is still governed by a set of rules and conditions. The Walking Dead doesn't have this set of rules. It just has zombies pulled from other media.

taviow said:
Episode 2 (Guts) was written by Frank Darabont, Episode 4 (Vatos) was written by Robert Kirkman. That considered, if you don't like the show now there's not much of a chance of it improving for you due to the writing staff being fired.
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Guts wasn't directed by him, though - the direction is a huge part of why I hated that episode so much. And "Vatos" was by far the worst. Honestly, as far as I can see, the core issue with the writing of this show is the fact that they brought on the comic's writers in the first place. Robert Kirkman is not a good writer. He's good at high-concept plots (which is the main reason why The Walking Dead was popular in the first place), and that's about it. His dialogue and pacing is absolutely atrocious.
 
Stigmata said:
Then maybe zombie writers need to try harder. I still have that old HL2 mod of mine sitting in my mental backburner, and there are at least three ways I know of to make zombies make sense biologically and psychologically, only one of which involves a thematic change. It's not hard. You make the zombies make sense, write a solid backstory, and use it as your world bible while writing.
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this is not what people want. no studio would back this. it's too much of a gamble; people expect zombies to be one way; flesh eatign automatons without a reason; this all harkens back to when zombies started: as a sort of comment on communism and the red scare in america; it was almost exclusively an american phenomenon


The Walking Dead's zombies, on the other hand, are just tropes that haven't been thought out - in each episode, we see new or different abilities and traits that sometimes completely clash with what was written into previous episodes. They're loud, but three dozen of them can sneak up on a refugee camp in a forest at night without making any noise at all. You can't get their blood on you, but aside from that single shot where Rick puts on that splatter shield, nobody ever brings this up again - and people continue to get zombie blood on them. They are mostly braindead, yet they inspect possible intruders the way a drill instructor inspects a GI's uniform.
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tropes; it's tv, they need to have situations that will carry the story forward. it's a problem endemic to tv and especially serial tv

Again, again, again: What we want is internal consistency. It doesn't matter that the zombies don't make real-life sense, so long as they make sense within the show. And they simply don't. For example, take TF2 - silly, unrealistic, ridiculous, but everything ridiculous is still governed by a set of rules and conditions. The Walking Dead doesn't have this set of rules. It just has zombies pulled from other media.
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yes but it's not tailored to a hardcore crowd. it's tailored to the lowest common denominator because tv's main raison d'etre is to be a money making scheme to attract advertisers

look at tv history in general; the most successful shows of all time take a trope, spin it on it's ear and then run with something new and original derived from that initial concept but they're almost always initially a failure: seinfeld, m.a.s.h, all in the family etc

Guts wasn't directed by him, though - the direction is a huge part of why I hated that episode so much. And "Vatos" was by far the worst. Honestly, as far as I can see, the core issue with the writing of this show is the fact that they brought on the comic's writers in the first place. Robert Kirkman is not a good writer. He's good at high-concept plots (which is the main reason why The Walking Dead was popular in the first place), and that's about it. His dialogue and pacing is absolutely atrocious.
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it's tv



TwwIX said:
Haters gonna hate.
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not at all if anything I'm defending the show
 
"It's TV and that's how TV is" is not a valid argument. I thought you hated dogma? :p
 
sure but I can still call a spade a spade when I see it
 
I don't follow, I think you're misconstruing my stance on this.
 
I'm just saying that the show is what it is. I'm not using that to justify what it is I'm just being pragmatic
 
Like I said before, a bad show that people like and want is still a bad show. I know that upon reading that, your first thought will likely be that "if people like it and want it then that means its good, because what other qualifier is there?" and to which I respond "lots."
 
honestly I wasnt so trilled by last episode,and the ending felt like lost season one
 
Krynn72 said:
Like I said before, a bad show that people like and want is still a bad show. I know that upon reading that, your first thought will likely be that "if people like it and want it then that means its good, because what other qualifier is there?" and to which I respond "lots."
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just because I like Seinfeld doesnt mean I cant occasionally like Friends
 
But you still acknowledge all the failings of Friends, no?

I really, really liked the pilot of Walking Dead. The shittiness of the following four episodes does not detract from my enjoyment of the first. I'm repeatedly bitching about this show because I care about it and want it to be better.
 
I enjoy this show quite a bit, but I realize it is very lacking in certain ways. Except, none of those ways are ever reflected in this thread. Instead, it seems like everyone is complaining about bullshit that makes no sense.

Stigmata said:
They're loud, but three dozen of them can sneak up on a refugee camp in a forest at night without making any noise at all.
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They aren't that loud, and don't you suspect the attack to maybe be related to the vengeful one-handed psychopath?

Stigmata said:
You can't get their blood on you
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I don't remember this being established. One time, somebody says not to get it on you, but that's a precaution I would take too. As far as I'm aware, you get sick and turn into a zombie if you get bit.

Stigmata said:
They are mostly braindead, yet they inspect possible intruders the way a drill instructor inspects a GI's uniform.
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Again, when is it established that they are mostly braindead? And even if they probably are, they don't really inspect jack shit... they look around aimlessly because they faintly detect humans and can't place it. Seriously, what the hell are you on about?

Stigmata said:
His dialogue and pacing is absolutely atrocious.
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see that I can agree with. I do have gripes with the show, like...
Cheap gimmicks, like totally clueless characters, are used to create tension. Obvious things are overlooked by supposedly smart characters to make the audience yell at their TV.
The acting (the wife?) is sometimes terrible.
The pacing can be abysmal, focusing on boring details to fill time.
The show pulled some ****ing you're-a-racist card once. that was the stupidest shit ive ever ****ing seen.
did i mention that wife is a ****ing terrible actress

But it's still entertaining to me. But with all shows like this, shows that cater to some nerdy plot like zombies, people seem to rip it apart for all the wrong reasons. Deviating from the source material, or ignoring zombie tropes, are not basis for actual complaint. Zombie stories generally don't focus on realistic science behind them because that is so ****ing boring to anyone without asbergers. It's all about the interactions between the characters and their plight for survival... and lots of gory effects. This show, as far as I'm concerned, is doing great with that second thing, and decently with the first.
 
[Note: My angry wording is directed at the show, not you :)]

Erestheux said:
They aren't that loud, and don't you suspect the attack to maybe be related to the vengeful one-handed psychopath?
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They aren't loud on an objective scale, but they shamble and snarl, and eat with their mouths open. I imagine sitting in a forest camp in the darkness in silence would make it extremely difficult for two dozen zombies who are incapable of stealth to sneak up on people all at once. Sticks snap underfoot, gravel rolls, leaves rustle. You can hear goddamn chipmunks in the forest in the summer, and they weigh like four grams.

Erestheux said:
I don't remember this being established. One time, somebody says not to get it on you, but that's a precaution I would take too. As far as I'm aware, you get sick and turn into a zombie if you get bit.
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Actually, you're right on this, it never was established. That particular scene just makes me mad though. "We will die if we touch the blood, but what's that, you want that handcuff key? No problem it's just here in my pocket, let me reach through this jacket covered in zombie guts to grab it without looking."

Erestheux said:
Again, when is it established that they are mostly braindead? And even if they probably are, they don't really inspect jack shit... they look around aimlessly because they faintly detect humans and can't place it. Seriously, what the hell are you on about?
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The brain-deadness is established in the pilot, specifically when Morgan's wife appears. She retains just enough of her mind to have an inkling of how doors and doorknobs work, and that people are sometimes in these large objects that have doors on them, but it's clear that the humanity of her mind stops there. I know it's not an overt, literal explanation of zombie psychology, but it's something that really highlights the laziness and total disregard of narrative consistency of the non-Darabont writers.

As for the inspection, you should go back and watch "Guts" again, and pay close attention to the behaviour of the zombies when Glenn and Rick are shambling down the street. I would expect zombies to behave like that in a SNL parody.

Erestheux said:
see that I can agree with. I do have gripes with the show, like...
Cheap gimmicks, like totally clueless characters, are used to create tension. Obvious things are overlooked by supposedly smart characters to make the audience yell at their TV.
The acting (the wife?) is sometimes terrible.
The pacing can be abysmal, focusing on boring details to fill time.
The show pulled some ****ing you're-a-racist card once. that was the stupidest shit ive ever ****ing seen.
did i mention that wife is a ****ing terrible actress
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God she's so bad. But you know who's worse? That blonde girl whose daughter was killed. The death scene actually had me laughing.

Erestheux said:
But it's still entertaining to me. But with all shows like this, shows that cater to some nerdy plot like zombies, people seem to rip it apart for all the wrong reasons. Deviating from the source material, or ignoring zombie tropes, are not basis for actual complaint. Zombie stories generally don't focus on realistic science behind them because that is so ****ing boring to anyone without asbergers. It's all about the interactions between the characters and their plight for survival... and lots of gory effects. This show, as far as I'm concerned, is doing great with that second thing, and decently with the first.
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Agreed, the effects are pretty fantastic. If they had better actors I imagine I'd agree they were doing decently with the first, too :p
 
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