These animal rights activists are crazy.

[jondy]

I can vaguely see their point when denouncing animal testing, but... why the obsession with boars?

 

[Razor]

Animal Rights people are generally scum and terrorists who terrorise innocent people for their own ends.

 

[Hectic Glenn]

Animal Rights people are generally scum and terrorists who terrorise innocent people for their own ends.

Must be sarcasm! Surely!?

Boars are animals too, if they believed them to be tested on or suffer from testing in some way, then you can understand why they did it.

 

[CptStern]

Animal Rights people are generally scum and terrorists who terrorise innocent people for their own ends.

razor you have absolutely no idea of what you're talking about ..stop spreading ****ing bullshit.

my sister in law is an animal rights lawyer and I can assure you if you even knew a tenth of what actually goes on you wouldnt have said that. But no, it's just easy to believe the ****ing bullshit that gun/hunting advocates spread and take it as gospel ..where the **** where they when hunters were shooting black bears with cubs just so they could harvest their spleen? Where were they when animal rights groups shut down thousands of puppy mills where dogs are horribly abused and left to die in horrible conditions? where were they when animal rights groups exposed the unsanitary and inhumane treatment of animals in corporate run farms?

 

[pomegranate]

I call...
SPAM THREAD

 

[Sainku]

We get lots of messed up horse abuse cases around here.It isn't a pretty thing, and I can't understand why people would do it. However while abuse of animals in unacceptable, robbing a man his personal assets and income and condeming half of the boars to death anyway is just as bad. Where were these great liberators of animals when the police had to shoot the boars? Nowhere in sight, to cowardly to take responsibility for their actions even though they believe them to be the right thing to do. So I wouldn't say calling the ALF scum and terrorists is to far out.

 

[Solaris]

Animal rights activists are all right.

However; Peta are the biggest group of cowarding terrorist scumbags I've ever seen. They want total liberation of animals, no farms, that means no easting meat, no cosmetic research on animals, no medical research of animals and get this - no pets. What we're suppossed to just let them wander the f*****g streets?

The medical research bit pisses me off really bad though. Medical research would slow down by about 60% if we couldn't test on animals. Thats like a hell of alot of people being saved. My mum has a freind at the university she lectures at, who researches on Polar bears, they found a treatment for aids, that wouldn't have been found if they couldn't study aids on Polcar Bear flesh.

Whats more Petas vice president takes a drug herself that was tested on animals, the hypocritical b***h.

PETA’s Mary Beth Sweetland should also answer for her own personal hypocrisy. Like more than ten million Americans, she’s diabetic. Sweetland injects herself daily with insulin that was tested on animals; she has conceded that her medicine “still contains some animal products -- and I have no qualms about it…. I don’t see myself as a hypocrite. I need my life to fight for the rights of animals.”

http://www.nfss.org/Legis/Peta-AA/pet-4.html

 

[CptStern]

sigh ..they go after corporate or government farms not individual farmers ..ask any private farmer ..they treat their animals well because that's their livelihood

 

[Solaris]

sigh ..they go after corporate or government farms not individual farmers ..ask any private farmer ..they treat their animals well because that's their livelihood

Peta don't.

 

[Razor]

razor you have absolutely no idea of what you're talking about ..stop spreading ****ing bullshit.

my sister in law is an animal rights lawyer and I can assure you if you even knew a tenth of what actually goes on you wouldnt have said that. But no, it's just easy to believe the ****ing bullshit that gun/hunting advocates spread and take it as gospel ..where the **** where they when hunters were shooting black bears with cubs just so they could harvest their spleen? Where were they when animal rights groups shut down thousands of puppy mills where dogs are horribly abused and left to die in horrible conditions? where were they when animal rights groups exposed the unsanitary and inhumane treatment of animals in corporate run farms?

The problem is, animal rights lawyers go through the proper channels.

The Animal Liberation Front however are involved in murder, blackmail, extortion and terrorism against innocent hard working people. If a scientist has to experiment on small animals humanely to discover a cure for cancer, are you going to support people who fire bomb the scientists house, murder their pets, blow up their cars and attack laboratories filled with animals to free them - animals that are tested up and could be infected with highly dangerous diseases that are let out into the wild by ignorant people who put the lives of small animals infront of lives of people. The Animal Liberation Front are some very evil, nasty people CptStern, people i'm sure your sister in law wants notjhing to do with.

 

[CptStern]

Peta don't.

yes they do


"Animals on factory farms gain weight, lay eggs, or produce milk not because they are well cared for, comfortable, and content but because their bodies have been manipulated with medications, hormones, genetics, and management techniques. In addition, animals raised for food are slaughtered when they are extremely young, usually before disease and misery decimate them. Factory farmers raise such huge numbers of animals for food that it is less expensive for them to absorb some losses than it is for them to provide humane conditions"


factory farms produce the overwhelming majority of animal products in the western world ..privately owned farms barely make a dent

http://www.peta.org/about/faq-veg.asp



PETA focuses its attention in four areas in which the largest numbers of animals suffer the most intensely for the longest periods of time: factory farming, [6] vivisection or animal testing, the clothing trade, and animals in entertainment

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PETA

 

[Razor]

ALF leaders typically won't condemn violence by people who have previously acted in the name of the ALF, so long as they attempt no attribution of their violent acts to the ALF. When David Blenkinsop, together with two other men who remain unidentified, attacked HLS director Brian Cass outside his home with pick-axe handles, ALF founder Ronnie Lee said: "He has got off lightly. I have no sympathy for him," [19] and Robin Webb said: "The Animal Liberation Front has always had a policy of not harming life, but while it would not condone what took place, it understands the anger and frustration that leads people to take this kind of action." [20] The Animal Liberation Front Supporters Group lists Blenkinsop as one of its prisoners of conscience. [21] ALF activist Vivien Smith is reported as having said in 1992: "I would be overjoyed when the first scientist is killed by a liberation activist." [22]

Webb has written that during the 1970s and early 1980s, the media portrayed animal-rights activists in a positive light, as animal lovers who were merely eccentric and who were taking things a little too far: the "Robin Hoods of the animal welfare world" (Best 2004). But by the mid-80s, activists realized that economic sabotage was more effective than demonstrations and handing out leaflets. Activists moved on to smashing butchers' shop windows and setting fire to department stores that sold fur coats. In 1985, the Animal Rights Militia first emerged, taking responsibility for sending letter bombs to those involved in animal testing, and setting fire to stores on the Isle of Wight in 1994, causing $6 million worth of damages. Barry Horne, who was a close friend of Webb's, was subsequently jailed for 18 years for the attacks, later dying in jail during a hunger strike, and Webb himself was almost charged with conspiracy in connection with them.

In response to the emergence of a more violent strain of protester in the UK, the British police set up the Animal Rights National Index (ARNI) in or around 1985, which was intended to act as a liaison between the police and MI5, the internal security service, which had started to monitor activists. Violence against property began to increase substantially after several high-profile campaigns managed to close down a number of facilities perceived to be abusive to animals: Consort, a facility breeding beagles for animal-testing, followed by Hillgrove Farm, which bred cats, and Newchurch Farm, which bred guinea pigs. The financial year 1991-1992 saw around 100 refrigerated meat trucks destroyed at a cost of around $10 million. Butchers' locks were superglued, shrink-wrapped meats were pierced in supermarkets, and slaughterhouses were set on fire (Webb, in Best 2004).

In 1993, the Justice Department, another leaderless-resistance group, appeared in North America, sending booby-trapped poster tubes and metal mousetraps primed with razor blades to people involved in the vivisection industry. In the same year, the Animal Rights Militia planted a series of incendiary devices in branches of Boots the Chemist in the UK, because the company at that time owned animal-testing laboratories. Boots sold the facility in response to the campaign, with Linda McCartney, the late wife of Sir Paul McCartney, buying and finding homes for the beagles the company had no further use for.

The latest international campaign, Stop Huntingdon Animal Cruelty, which ALF activists are involved in, aims to close Huntingdon Life Sciences, Europe's largest animal-testing laboratory. In response to the campaign, which operates as a leaderless resistance using direct-action tactics, the British government set up the National Extremism Tactical Coordination Unit in May 2004, either to replace or complement the work of ARNI, and has declared it will do whatever it takes to ensure that the animal-rights lobby will not succeed in closing down HLS, though the company's future is looking increasingly bleak as investors sell their shares, and business partners and clients distance themselves for fear of reprisals.

In Terrorists or Freedom Fighters, a collection of essays by animal-rights activists edited by philosopher Steven Best, an ALF press officer, Webb quotes Gandhi, saying: "Where there is only a choice between cowardice and violence, I would advise violence." Webb argues that:

[W]hile politicians talked and negotiated, Nazi Germany invaded neighboring countries and began building the concentration camps. It took the overwhelming violence of World War II ... to rid the world of that evil. Such an example suggests that short-term violence may be justifiable in pursuit of a longer-term peace," (Best 2004).

As you can see, letter bombs, violent attacks, robberies, arson against private residence as well as small family businesses and large multinational businesses.

Including the ALF Press Officer saying that violence is justified if the final aim is peace...perhaps the Iraq war can be justified in the same sentence?

 

[CptStern]

The problem is, animal rights lawyers go through the proper channels.

The Animal Liberation Front however are involved in murder, blackmail, extortion and terrorism against innocent hard working people. If a scientist has to experiment on small animals humanely to discover a cure for cancer, are you going to support people who fire bomb the scientists house, murder their pets, blow up their cars and attack laboratories filled with animals to free them - animals that are tested up and could be infected with highly dangerous diseases that are let out into the wild by ignorant people who put the lives of small animals infront of lives of people. The Animal Liberation Front are some very evil, nasty people CptStern, people i'm sure your sister in law wants notjhing to do with.

you believe everything you're forcefed:

"The ALF is entirely decentralized: an example of so-called leaderless resistance, with no formal membership or hierarchy...

ALF activists use the model of leaderless resistance. Cells, currently active in 20 countries, operate clandestinely and independently of one other, with activists working on a need-to-know basis. A cell can consist of just one person. "

so pretty much anyone can commit any act and claim it was ALF


"ALF leaders typically won't condemn violence by people who have previously acted in the name of the ALF, so long as they attempt no attribution of their violent acts to the ALF."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_Liberation_Front#Actions



oh and again stop posting misinformation, they've never been involved with murder

 

[Razor]

you believe everything you're forcefed:

"ALF activists use the model of leaderless resistance. Cells, currently active in 20 countries, operate clandestinely and independently of one other, with activists working on a need-to-know basis. A cell can consist of just one person. "

so pretty much anyone can commit any act and claim it was ALF


"ALF leaders typically won't condemn violence by people who have previously acted in the name of the ALF, so long as they attempt no attribution of their violent acts to the ALF."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_Liberation_Front#Actions



oh and again stop posting misinformation, they've never been involved with murder

What you are forgetting CptStern is that there are two types of animal rights people, the protestors and animal rights lawyers, etc and then the very bad terrorist organisations involved with letters bomb, etc. As for animal rights groups not being involved with murder, what do you think the letter bombs were designed to do? What do you think the boobytrapped mail was designed to do?

http://www.adl.org/learn/extremism_...ments/ecoterrorism/vlasak_congress_110705.htm

http://www.activistcash.com/organization_blackeye.cfm/oid/21

It gave $7,500 to Fran Stephanie Trutt, who tried to murder the president of a medical laboratory. It gave $5,000 to Josh Harper, who attacked Native Americans on a whale hunt by throwing smoke bombs, shooting flares, and spraying their faces with chemical fire extinguishers. All of these monies were paid out of tax-exempt funds, the same pot of money constantly enlarged by donations from an unsuspecting general public.

That is Peta giving terrorist groups and people who confess that they want to murder innocent members of the public thousands of dollars donated by unknowing people who want to see animals looked after better.

http://brianoconnor.typepad.com/animal_crackers/2005/11/vlasak_and_best.html

Like i said, you have 2 groups, people who care about animals and what to close down fur farms and factory farms the legal way through the courts and then you have the other group who firebomb supermarkets, attack people in the streets with pickaxes and send letter bombs.

 

[Solaris]

Your defending Peta and the ALF?

Finally a chance to pwn the sterminater.
Source

PETA president and co-founder Ingrid Newkirk has described her group’s overall goal as “total animal liberation.” This means no meat, no milk, no zoos, no circuses, no wool, no leather, no hunting, no fishing, and no pets (not even seeing-eye dogs). PETA is also against all medical research that requires the use of animals.

You agree with that?

PETA has given tens of thousands of dollars to convicted arsonists and other violent criminals. This includes a 2001 donation of $1,500 to the North American Earth Liberation Front (ELF), an FBI-certified “domestic terrorist” group responsible for dozens of firebombs and death threats. During the 1990s, PETA paid $70,200 to an Animal Liberation Front (ALF) activist convicted of burning down a Michigan State University research laboratory. In his sentencing recommendation, a federal prosecutor implicated PETA president Ingrid Newkirk in that crime. And PETA vegetarian campaign coordinator Bruce Friedrich told an animal rights convention in 2001 that “blowing stuff up and smashing windows” is “a great way to bring about animal liberation.”

I've seen the tax return on Penn and Teller as well, they did indeed pay him money.

PETA president Ingrid Newkirk has said that “even if animal research resulted in a cure for AIDS, we would be against it.”

How many people have died from aids again?

 

[CptStern]

Your defending Peta and the ALF?

Finally a chance to pwn the sterminater.
Source
You agree with that?

I've seen the tax return on Penn and Teller as well, they did indeed pay him money.

How many people have died from aids again?

so because I've stated they go after factory farms that must mean I support them?

 

[Ome_Vince]

I pay Greenpeace monthly, but this ad just made me sick:
http://www.viralchart.com/media/clips/greenpeace13.mov
Thats a nasty cry for attention there,
"we shouldnt build nuclear power plants, cause terrorists might fly planes in them".
But o well, every organisation makes "mistakes".
In general praise most of the activists because without them alot of animals etc would be extinct.
They turn our "attention to the cause".
hmm, now where did i here that before...
hehe, ah well, i just cant take it when i see animals getting anihilated or brutally mistreated.

 

[Solaris]

so because I've stated they go after factory farms that must mean I support them?

You said they're not involved in Murder.
They gave someone who promotes murder and terrorism a large sum of money.

 

[CptStern]

You said they're not involved in Murder.
They gave someone who promotes murder and terrorism a large sum of money.

so how is that being involved with murder? they gave money for the legal defense fund ..how is that participating in murder? and which murder specifically ..promoting murder and committing it are 2 different things

 

[Solaris]

During the 1990s, PETA paid $70,200 to an Animal Liberation Front (ALF) activist convicted of burning down a Michigan State University research laboratory. In his sentencing recommendation, a federal prosecutor implicated PETA president Ingrid Newkirk in that crime. And PETA vegetarian campaign coordinator Bruce Friedrich told an animal rights convention in 2001 that “blowing stuff up and smashing windows” is “a great way to bring about animal liberation.”

Petas goals are damaging to the world. We need medical research, people lives depend on it, including the life of a senior Peta member. We cannot tollerate such a group, and the more negative propoganda is spread about them, even if some of it are half-truths - the better.

 

[jondy]

the more negative propoganda is spread about them, even if some of it are half-truths - the better.

That's an unbelievable attitude to take, and downright hypocritical coming from you Solaris.

Anyways, I just wondered why this group of people had such a fetish for boars.

 

[Solaris]

That's an unbelievable attitude to take, and downright hypocritical coming from you Solaris.

Anyways, I just wondered why this group of people had such a fetish for boars.

Not really. If Peta got there way, there is a chance my life and the lifes of my comrades children and reletives would be at risk, becuase medicine wouldn't have been researched. So I am willing to do anything I can to stop them.
Its okay for me to firebomb them becuase I am right.

 

[jondy]

Its okay for me to firebomb them becuase I am right.

But it's not OK for them to firebomb you, believing they're right?

 

[Solaris]

But it's not OK for them to firebomb you, believing they're right?

No becuase they are wrong.
I'm not going to firebomb them now becuase they're not a threat. It would be okay for me to kick apart one of there stalls on the highstreet, but not to kill the people behind the stalls. However if it looks like there becoming a big threat, then more severe action is nessacary.

Whatever it takes to stop them is acceptable.

 

[jondy]

No becuase they are wrong.

No, you believe they are wrong. It's your opinion versus theirs, and seeing as your opinion is that half-truths and propaganda are needed to defeat the activist threat (edit), I don't think it stands up on it's own feet well enough to justify firebombing.

I agree with you that PETA isn't necessarily a force for good, and a lot of animal activists make so angry I want to kick my dog, but your reasoning here just doesn't make sense to me.

Besides, PETA won't ever manage to ban animal testing or somehow set all animals free (including the cuddly-wuddly boars), so I wouldn't worry about it.

 

[Sulkdodds]

Quite a lot of times I agree with animal rights protesters, but there are occasions (lots) where they go too ****ing far - like that group that dug up the dead grandma of a family breeding hamsters or something to sell to testing labs (not to mention the blackmail, violence, vandalism, destruction of property, harassment et cetera). And that's not even that extreme an example. Two wrongs does not a right make.

 

[CptStern]

Petas goals are damaging to the world. We need medical research, people lives depend on it, including the life of a senior Peta member. We cannot tollerate such a group, and the more negative propoganda is spread about them, even if some of it are half-truths - the better.

I've seen films of animals being skinned alive ..I've seen videos of chickens crammed into pens so small that by the time they're adults most of their leg/wing bones are shattered. I've seen animals sitting in 2 inches of their own feces crammed in together with hundreds of other animals many of which die where they're standing but never fall to the ground because there's no room, I've seen diseased animals literally dragged to the slaughterhouse to be rendered and sold for human consumption ..yet all some of you ever see is people throwing paint of fur wearing people or labs being vandalised ..without these groups who would protect animals from cruelty? the government?, you?

 

[Nat Turner]

There's nothing wrong with the position of being against animal cruelty. I've eventually come to this conclusion. CptStern is correct in many respects on this issue.

 

[Sainku]

I've seen films of animals being skinned alive ..I've seen videos of chickens crammed into pens so small that by the time they're adults most of their leg/wing bones are shattered. I've seen animals sitting in 2 inches of their own feces crammed in together with hundreds of other animals many of which die where they're standing but never fall to the ground because there's no room, I've seen diseased animals literally dragged to the slaughterhouse to be rendered and sold for human consumption ..yet all some of you ever see is people throwing paint of fur wearing people or labs being vandalised ..without these groups who would protect animals from cruelty? the government?, you?

The fact the you have some fetish for videos of chickens being tortured has nothing to do with this. No one is saying there is no animal cruelty, its a fact and it needs to stop. PETA and ALF just aren't doing anything to help. There are groups out there who do help, and get things done, but these idiots who go to farms and set wild boars free only to be shot by police don't help a bit. And having personally worked at a slaughter house, no one would accept a diseased animal and sell it for consumption. Around here at least...

 

[Uriel]

I dont think its right to harm animals pointlessly, I dont go hunting (like every other turd around here) but I dont see anything wrong with eating them.

As for spending millions of dollars to protect them, etc etc, go devote your time to something more important.

Sheesh

 

[CptStern]

The fact the you have some fetish for videos of chickens being tortured has nothing to do with this. No one is saying there is no animal cruelty, its a fact and it needs to stop. PETA and ALF just aren't doing anything to help. There are groups out there who do help, and get things done, but these idiots who go to farms and set wild boars free only to be shot by police don't help a bit. And having personally worked at a slaughter house, no one would accept a diseased animal and sell it for consumption. Around here at least...

yes because your one experience with a slaughterhouse means it's true for all slaughterhouses ..I've met the person who smuggled the video in, I've seen it posted on many news programs throughout canada ..it happens, far more than they'd like you to know. I'd post similiar videos but they're very disturbing and are against the rules

and the fetish comment is just idiotic ..did it ever occur to you I may be concerned with the welfare of animals and that's why I watched it? I hate debating this topic because I find the majority of people who have any sort of negative opinion on this are overly defensive and resort to being assholes to shut people up ..that said I withdraw from this thread so as to not become a target of every person who thinks it's their duty to defend their naive notions as to what animals right are

 

[Yuri]

This goes with any issue:

If you are protesting anything that doesn't depend on your life, you have no right to use violence and destruction. Any group which is immeditely responsible for violent protest is a piece of shit.

Now, I have a limited knowledge of PETA, but I do know that they are behind some pretty sick shit. I'd like a source on this (other than someone I trust, I think it may have been cited in "Bullshit!"), but I'm pretty sure that PETA is against taking insulin from pigs for diabetics. They state that if you have diabetes, you cannot get your insulin from pigs. So, pretty much, you die. However, after this statement, the leader of PETA was diagnosed with diabetes. Yet she takes insulin shots from pigs. Why? Her reasoning was that she has to live, because she is far too important for the cause of animals. However, she still stands by the fact that other diabetics should die.

Also (heard on the radio), at one point they were in a city, handing pamphlets to the children of mothers wearing fur coats. The pamphlets had a caracature of a cute bunny rabbit with a knife being shoved into its gut, and read "Your mommy kills bunnies for their meat and fur." How could you be dirtbaggish enough to hand pamphlets to young children, singling them out and messing with their minds for something they have nothing to do with. The radio guy made a good comparison -- you don't see PETA activists handing out flyers in biker bars about leather. But they have no problem singling out children.

People
Eat
Tasty
Animals

:upstare:


But yeah, I'm against animal cruelty and stuff like that. Commercial meat factories make me sick. But too bad. Lots of humans are in shit conditions, too. Yet I'm sure most vegetarians have no problem buying Nike products, and little plastic shit from Chinese sweatshops.




Oh, and jondy, I'm confused about what that link shows us?

 

[Raziaar]

Peta and Animal Liberation Front(whom which Peta supports) are completely wrong about the way they go about things. They're rediculously wicked in their methods.

Firebombing and terrorism is NOT a valid protest method. And the stupid idiots release animals or so i've heard in england that can cause devastation to the surrounding enviroment and other creatures.


Plainly put... Peta and ALF are psychos. Not all members mind you, but the organizations themselves.

 

[Angry Lawyer]

We get a lot of problems with EcoTerrorists in England. You get a lot of situations where an almost-completely unrelated third party gets terrorised (like workers from an insurance company) just because the company trades with an Animal Testing clinic.

-Angry Lawyer

 

[Yuri]

You can only define a organization by its leadership, and not its most extremist members. However, if the leadership of an organization condones its extremist crap members... then you have a problem.

But from what I've heard, PETA's leadership is just as crackpotted as the terrorists, and defends them, too.


Dear Animal Rights Activists,

Did you not see 28 Days Later? You dumbasses!

Best regards,
Yuri

 

[Raziaar]

We get a lot of problems with EcoTerrorists in England. You get a lot of situations where an almost-completely unrelated third party gets terrorised (like workers from an insurance company) just because the company trades with an Animal Testing clinic.

-Angry Lawyer

Exactly the kind of things that I think are despicable.

 

[Solaris]

Stern, I agree mistreatment of animals isn't right. But neither is firebombing a labortery. Peta use the guise of animal mistreatment to fund there agenda of firebombing scientists and such.

 

[The Mullinator]

heh, this reminds me of things I have read about in ancient european history. The wild boar was often worshipped in many ancient cults due to it's strength, power, and ability to kill even a seasoned hunter with a decent spear or bow.

 

[CptStern]

peta has never firebombed anything


any of you ever wonder why most anti-animal rights groups are actually run by meat industry or hunting groups? think about it, theyhave the most to lose

ok I've wasted too much time on this thread

 

[Raziaar]

peta has never firebombed anything


any of you ever wonder why most anti-animal rights groups are actually run by meat industry or hunting groups? think about it, theyhave the most to lose

Peta has supported and funded firebombers. They fund the people who do it.

I find it also funny, that they are against animal research for furthering medical efficiency and ability. Yet one of the main people in peta uses medication that was made by using such methods.