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I heard, few days ago, someone claimed that Gabe is God, then Gordon must be Christ. How about Adam, the Alyx is Eve. btw, G-man looks like Satan to me. wow i'm looking forword to see how Alyx bite the forbidden fruit and how G-man will deceive her to do so.
 
I suppose i was just trying to make excuses for the film when i commented on the nuke...

What i mean by physically superior, is not size but adaptation abilities. If they could survive radiation/biological warfare, and had a tough enough hide that bullets were not very effective then what could we do?

Of course they would need to be organised, possibly by a higher intelligence, but ants do not require and higher intelligence, they have instinct.

Imagine if they invaded earth, and began building a nest below the surface. We would be wiped out, but they would need to resistant to our common forms of attack (guns) in at least some way. This is conceivable, an organism could develop an exoskeleton or a hide resistant to bullets through evolution in an extremely hostile environment. It's unlikely, but not impossible.

When you refer to the lower lifeforms of earth...they have neither the numbers, organisation, or the physical robustness to be a threat. But if lions etc. had large numbers and some sort of organisation, they could have posed a major threat to humantiy 2000 years ago.

For the record, humand and dinosaurs (the type you are refering to) never coexisted.
 
Originally posted by Animal
...For the record, humand and dinosaurs (the type you are refering to) never coexisted.
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what type were i refering to? the giant one? just search a bit online from some educated source, u will find out preuve that they coexist.

Originally posted by Animal
But if lions etc. had large numbers and some sort of organisation, they could have posed a major threat to humantiy 2000 years ago.
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How could they have a large number, if they only allow one male adulte in a society of lions (a group of lions that occupy a territory)? beside the male lion sleep average 22 hours a day(in our term: ****ing lazy) and the female lions who do most of the jobs are rediculously so weak that they are defeated by a group of hyena. In fact lion is the only sociable cat, but their organisation is worse than many other sociable animals. Yet they're the king of animals. U mention about "large number", u should be aware that many species out there have out number human. The major threats that animal posed on human were the same old threat: Mouse plague, but we did survive. If there were anything posing a major threat to humanity 2000 years ago, 2000 years later, today, this threat doesn't exist anymore which mean we are superious and invincible among other races of animals on the earth. HOw can we human be so prominent today, if we can easily be defeated by inferious race?? We have the entire pass and future of humanity to preuve you wrong.
 
Originally posted by gamevoodoo
If it's easily possible, then we don't even need alien or stuff from other planet, we could be very well invaded by other animals or species on the Earth. How could they be "physically superior enough", how big do they have to be? how much strengh do they need to have? is Dinosaur big and strong enough? Dinosaur is not even able to surive and it's eliminated by the nature, many scientific preuves shows that human co-exist with dinosaur at the same periode, but human did survive. (some hypothesis show that dinosaur is eliminated by meteo, but not enough preuve since human still exist). Don't u still think that human is most superious creature in the world and that we rule other creatures by our intelligence and tech? Of course, we human are not stronger than the nature, but we can adapte to the nature and survive.

back to the nuking alien topic, I don't see how we can't nuke them if they live in the hive, it's just the movie maker try to manipulate the audience. First of all we can nuke their environment to affect the alien's living condition, see the radiation effect that last for decades in russia after the nuclear factor explosion.(i.e. the radiation will affect the DNA of the alien and make them to develop small penis so that they can't reproduce as fast). Second of all, is nuclear weapon the only thing we have? we human try to conquer the nature by learning progressively everything in the nature, atomic, chemical, physics, mechanical, etc. Do we really have to land on their planet to eliminate them with human soldiers?? that's so ridiculous. we could use biological virus or chemcial weapon. if they don't work, then give them some alcohol or blow. have u seen Gozilla got killed?
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I actually have polaroids of my great-grandfather on a T-Rex hunt. See what they did was affect their penises with a nuclear factor in russian decades and thereby conquered Godzilla, who couldn't survive anyway, because of nature. Then they blew antlions and drank a pint. Unfortunately all the T-Rex hives have been eradicated with mechanical viruses (as opposed to biological ones) so there is in fact a dispute as to their existance. The big meteo that killed the dinosaurs is in fact a false hypothesis - I personally am a believer in the 'big jelly donut' theory.
 
Originally posted by gamevoodoo
How about Adam, the Alyx is Eve.
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Adam was created out of eve, according to the bible. But your point is still a good one, because every story needs 'seduction'. The Bible symbolised it with an apple, the forbidden fruit, a symbol for sin. That's another morality, HiroProtagonist, that every story teaches us. If you are a sinner, you will have to pay for it.

Animal: The bugs in Starship Troopers did have intelligence that was equal to or surpassed human intelligence: the brain-bugs. They were the driving force behind all the other bugs. Nihilanth in HL1 was the driving force behind the HL1 aliens too.
But your point about adaptation is valid though. Humans have their intelligence to help them adapt to changes. Humans can survive in deserts and on the north pole. Humans will be able to survive on the Moon, or Mars in the future. Because we have this massive resource of brain-power. Our world harbors +6,312,916,110 people, all with brains that are unsurpassed in intelligence by anything we know. This makes us the biggest computer that we know exists. If there is a rivaling, comparable race out there, then some day, it will have to come to a battle, because if they are anything like us, then they will want to be superior, just like we feel superior right now. We are in an adaptation-race. Will ants, or rats, or lions start to change, adapt, and will they one day overthrow the current reign of man? Probably not, because there won't be any reasons for them to change. Evolution is as it is, random but inevitable. For me it is unfathomable that human kind will be overthrown, or even extinct, by some force, other than ourselves.
 
I just want to point out that there is no "IF" in the living matters, if they have low intelligence, they can't be highly organized, at least not as highly organized as human. Do you think that the lion can organize terrorist activity against human and what can be their motif? To take the petrol in middle east and drink them?!!! If you can't find a valid motif for inferious creatures to raise up against human, then there is no reason for the creatures from the hell in doom3 to try to eliminate human; therefore they won't be threat. On the other hand, highly intelligence combine (human like superpredator) could very well invade human for the same motif that Bush takes over Iraq, Hitler wants to take over the world. I mean if you have low intelligence, how can u be organized (don't even mention the ant, human is much more organize than ant), without being organized, how can u plan something big , as big as invading and enslaving human?!!! In fact everything is relative, it's obvious that hl2 has better plot due to the designe of ennemies. (it doesn't mean it will have a better gameplay, i'm just talking about the plot)
 
Humans and dinosaurs coexisted? shit I learn new stuff everyday!!! LOL HAHAHAHAH!
 
i killed a t-rex before. I shot it with my lazer gun.
 
Originally posted by Ro@cH
......For me it is unfathomable that human kind will be overthrown, or even extinct, by some force, other than ourselves.
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THat's why i like the theme of Terminator3
 
me 2, terminator 3's stroy OWNED your faces all out storys of faces/
 
Originally posted by )[eVo]( Para
Humans and dinosaurs coexisted? shit I learn new stuff everyday!!! LOL HAHAHAHAH!
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well there're some preuve out there, they are the only thing we can rely on. Maybe one day human will discover a preuve that shows that, in fact, we all are playing half life 10 now.
 
A t-rex was trying to drink my petrol supply the other day, so I shooted it with a meteo. Afterwards I felt very superious, let me tell you.
 
You say that when there is no intelligence, there is no 'driving force' to superiority. Well then let's change superiority to survival. Why do ants attack other ant colonies (they do). They need scarce resources to survive. If there are 2 ant colonies and only enough food for 1 to survive, then only one will survive. Evolution has given ants the instinct to eradicate other ant colonies for survival. Now extrapolate this to the Doom(1,2,3) plot. Why would 'hell' or the demons try to take over or exterminate mankind? There has to be a driving force, resources, survival. Does mankind threaten the extinction of hell? Perhaps so. Perhaps mankind is considered 'good' and hell is of course 'evil'. 2 exact opposites struggling for survival. Eventually one force has to win. When the scientists performed their experiments they opened the gates of hell, thus giving evil a chance to take a blow at 'good, in it's struggle for survival.
To conclude my point: there is no need for intelligence as a drive for superiority. The urge for survival implies the urge for superiority.
 
Ok I'm sorry I have to point out that "preuve" is french "proof" is how you write it (just helping you that's all). And right now there's no proof of their coexistence, but there's proof of their seperate timelines. And yes maybe eventually possibly in teh future we'll discover that dinosaurs actually had orgies with apes.
 
well, they say that dinosaur are couple decads of million years old and human is less than million years old. but they do find some preuves that shows some human life creature coexiste with dinosaur.
 
Originally posted by FictiousWill
A t-rex was trying to drink my petrol supply the other day, so I shooted it with a meteo. Afterwards I felt very superious, let me tell you.
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:LOL: good one
 
hey I learn new stuff everyday!!! thx for showing me how to spell the word "Proof", do u speak french? I always make error like this making up english words with french spelling.

For the proof of their coexistence, plz look up online or some library resource. The reason that i pointed their coexistence is simply i want to show that physical strength is not enough to help creatures to adapte and survive.
 
The big difference between Half-Life and Doom wasn't that the basic plot of Half-Life was more plausible or better than Doom's plot... it was that in Half-Life the plot was actually part of the game. Instead of reading the plot in the manual (Doom) or an install screen/intro video (Quake II) you were actually part of the plot... you were Gordon Freeman. You start off with no knowledge of what is going to happen and you learn as you go.

In Doom all you did was shoot demons, flip switches, and press buttons.
It doesn't matter how great your story is if it has very little to do with the gameplay... like Doom.

Hopefully they are making Doom 3 and its story one in the same this time around. The cinematic look of Doom 3 leads me to think that they are at least trying to do this. I just hope they can pull it off... because, to be honest, they don't really have much experience in that aspect of game design.
 
Let me reïterate: Physical strength might be enough to survive and even become superior. Just as humans have great mental capabilities and are physically weak, other creatures could become superior simply with enough physical strenth and enough survival-instinct. But, as I pointed out in my previous post, it isn't likely to happen.
 
Yep french is my second language :) English comes third.

T'es Québécois ou Francais? peut-etre meme Belge? ou encore Suisse! En fait y'a pas mal de pays qui causent le francais lol :D
 
Yay! Humans are the brainiest creatures on the planet! Let's all give eachother a collective pat on the back. Well done, lads!
 
^^ HAHAHAH!! I'm off to get drunk that's it I've had enough! :)
 
Tu as oublié les pays en Afrique, il y en a beaucoup la bas ou on parle Français aussi. Moi j'suis belge, but my first language is Dutch.
 
why ant attack another ant colonies? because ant have similar need and they feel the competition. and what they are capable of doing is attack their rivals who have similar intelligence and similar strength. why don't they attack the Aardvarks, because Aardvarks is more superious and they can kill off the ant colonie. There's why lower creature won't even plan to exterminate mankind.

creatures from the hell are so different from mankind, they don't have the same need, how can they have competition. Maybe there's electricity shortage in hell, and they need energy to reopen their electrical gate so that more people can come and join the hell. For those zombies, i don't see why they need to eat, maybe the only entertainment they got is to scare the shit out of human. If they feel hungry, do they like the french food or the chinese food better?
 
I noticed something about the design of most scary enemies. The eyes of an enemy are important. In Doom 3, the eyes of the zombie are empty and glow. In Alien movies, the aliens had no eyes at all. Eye is the mirror of the soul, and I think it scares people to fight things they can't understand, or too different, with no soul... I think zombies are great enemies to fight because of that lack of soul. They have no positive motivation. All they want is killing, and you can't convince them not to kill you... Same thing for Aliens, they're killing machines, that's the first thing they do when they see a living thing. Fighting a mindless creature is more interesting than humans or humanoïds sometimes because if there is two in a battle, only one will survive. No prisoners. They won't think like you do and that's why some situations in games are so uncomfortable. Aliens and zombies aren't scared of you whatever you do. But Combines (I think) will try to save their own lives.
 
You do realise that my arguments are all hypothetical gamevoodoo, that lion thing was just an example...

Anyway Ro@cH knows what the hell i'm talking about, imagine, if you will, a colony of hyper evolved insectoids, organised like ants, and as large as dogs, came to earth somehow and established a colony. You do realise that their exoskeletons (if on a par with ants of the same scale) would be able to resist large caliber weapon fire. They would probably wipe us out, depending on the area of first colonisation (like america for example) where we would be loath to use weapons of mass destruction. There would be no driving force beyond instinct, and their intelligence would be rather inferior to humans. Yet i still think they would pose a considerable threat, purely for their organisation and force of numbers.

:rolling:
 
Originally posted by Morbo
I noticed something about the design of most scary enemies. The eyes of an enemy are important. In Doom 3, the eyes of the zombie are empty and glow. In Alien movies, the aliens had no eyes at all. Eye is the mirror of the soul, and I think it scares people to fight things they can't understand, or too different, with no soul... I think zombies are great enemies to fight because of that lack of soul. They have no positive motivation. All they want is killing, and you can't convince them not to kill you... Same thing for Aliens, they're killing machines, that's the first thing they do when they see a living thing. Fighting a mindless creature is more interesting than humans or humanoïds sometimes because if there is two in a battle, only one will survive. No prisoners. They won't think like you do and that's why some situations in games are so uncomfortable. Aliens and zombies aren't scared of you whatever you do. But Combines (I think) will try to save their own lives.
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You hit the nail on the head, freud! Human enemies can never be as frightening as an unknown enemy. At the core of the human psyche is a fear of the unknown. Which approach with more caution: a strider hobbling down the street killing people, or a perfect black cube floating along silently while civilians near it collapse screaming. Which is more dangerous? You don't know. Our instincts as humans tell us to expect the worst. For me the strider would seem less of a threat because it's capabilities are understood and assessable. The sinister floating black cube however I wouldn't understand and would therefore consider to be more dangerous until proven otherwise.
 
I understand your point mate... although I have more bad dreams from demons then cubes ;)
That computer trap room was sure scary in Resident Evil the film. I had no idea what it would do to those poor bastards.
 
If you want to see an anime about highly evolved yet unintelligent bugs taking over the world watch the anime series Blue Gender. it features lots of giant bugs of alien origin, mecha, guns, and blood, lots of it

Fictious, i think you are right i would much rather be afraid of a big black floaty cube. Shapes that are unfamiliar to us humans tend to set us on edge. Giant shapeless masses of tumerous tissue, things with too many legs or eyes, creatures that looked like they came from H.P. Lovecraft's Cthulhu mythos, things that are a mockery of shapes we know and understand etc. They all tap into our primal fears, thats why they make such good fictional badguys.

On the subject of demons being unintelligent, who says they are? Aside from the animalistic ones i.e. zombies and pinkies, many of the doom series demons appear to be very intelligent. Evil plays it smart, remember that, cause they don't care about cheating. In almost all stories involving demons they are made out to be intelligent and scheming as well as violent.

As for motivation for invading earth and mars in the doom story, do they need one? They are demons, they do what they want to whatever they want. when they want.

Demon1- Hey guys look, a gateway to earth/mars
Demon2-cool, lets go invade
Demon1-right

Also as far as creepyness goes, the zombies/zombie commandos in doom3, their eyes keep glowing after they are dead, that is really creepy IMO.
 
Originally posted by Animal
...a colony of hyper evolved insectoids, organised like ants, and as large as dogs, came to earth somehow and established a colony...
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I really enjoy reading ur stuff, some ideas are really fun, i'm serious. Now back to the topic, if the insect that u're talking about is hyper evolve then they should like peace and entertainment, instead of playing videogame, why do they bother in eliminating human? how do they travel to earth?are u sure they can support the pressure and adapte to earth environment? Human will probably shoot them down even before they enter the atmosphere( we could detect the radius of the meteo that's coming to earth, we surely can detect thing as huge as colony of dog like insects. "As large as dogs", sounds like a delisious chinese food, if they happen to land on earth, tell them never ever go to China, i know the Chinese people eat almost everything. If they can defeat human if only if they are superious.

all right guys, nice talking all, i'm tired, i need to go to bed see u all later.
 
let's make a mod with zombie creatures one side and combine, strider, turret the other. Call it Half-Doom

ok good night all
 
Does a specie need to be superior to the human in order to kill millions of people? No, virus are very simple organism yet they killed billions of humans through the ages.
 
Whoa... I just had a crazy idea, so sit back and watch the story unfold:

Why did Xen's invasion of Earth appear so weak?
Because it wasn't an invasion...

:eek: Conspiracy Theory:eek: :
G-man caused the resonance cascade in order to make it seem as though Xen was invading.
Why? Because he wanted someone to kill the Nilanth and stop the "invasion."
Gordon seemed to have the strengh and means to reach the Nilanth so G-man observed his progress throughout HL1, and make sure he was on track. Gordon killed Nilanth and HL1 ends.
Now, in HL2, Gordon works for the G-man. Gordon also seems to have the Xen alien slaves on his side. By extention, one could assume that the G-man has control of the slaves. Who controled the slaves first? The Nilanth...

The short version:
G-man created the events of HL1 to trick Gordon into killing the Nilanth.
With Nilanth out of the picture, The G-man now has the Xen army under his control, and is using it to fight the EEVIL Combine! :eek:

Or maybe not... :cheese:
 
actually invading earth isn't as hard as it sounds. All you need is a lot of numbers, decent degree of agression, and shock value. Well aside from being able to adapt to a earth based environment.

Guns run out of ammo, not everyone has a gun, and if the insectoid whatevers attack en masse a few guns will only take out a few waves before the shooters get overwhelmed. Hell, in Romano's night of the living dead, humanity gets over run by stupid ass hungry corpses. What makes you think things as fasts as the H.R. Giger aliens wouldn't do it quicker?

If you have enough quantity you can overpower quality, attacking everywhere at once and then surrounding the lasts outposts of resistance. Thats what i would do if i was a zergish alien force. This is assuming the aliens breed at a very fast rate, which insects are wont to do.
 
Fiction... It's all there is to it. Aliens and zombies and huge ants do not exist.
 
true, but the combine don't exist either, all of this is speculation and here say, thats is what this thread is for
 
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