Thoughts on designing ennemies, come in and share

[PLas]

Originally posted by )[eVo]( Para
Fiction... It's all there is to it. Aliens and zombies and huge ants do not exist.

hehehe. When was the last time you looked at your computer screen mate. It's crawling with Aliens, zombies and giant ants mate. Not to mension cyborgs, demons, vampires, villians, serial killers, ghosts and flamers

 

[Guest]

Originally posted by Morbo
En passant, je suis aussi Québécois. Pas Canadien

comment ca t'es Québécois mais pas Canadien? On a la meme gouvernement, non?? Je n'aime pas ca quand on separe Canada avec Quebec, ca va pas etre fort pour l'economic.

 

[Gunner]

Ok I've decided to invade Earth myself, it can't be that hard after all Flyingdebris told me so. I'm going to start by Quebec, their accent whey they speak french is intolerable

I'll set up factories in Quebec and I will build an army of miniature robot vampires from the past who will ride on the back of giant ants to form a cavalry unit. The backbone of the army will be a massive horde of cybernetic dwarves with hair implants.

 

[Guest]

Originally posted by Morbo
Does a specie need to be superior to the human in order to kill millions of people? No, virus are very simple organism yet they killed billions of humans through the ages.

i can kill you with a grenade, but is the grenade superior to you, no. The same thing for the virus, they are weapons, come from other living organism, such a bactaria which use virus to take over your cells by altering ur cell function and disarming their immune system(they are many other way). Virus is an just organic weapon. They did several times in our history to pose threats to human, but we still getting most of them in control. Human is even able to use virus to kill other human(biology warfare, i.e. the japanese scientists test plagues on some chinese men during the wwII, but at the end of the war, all information concering the biology weapon experiments done by japs is owned by the American.) In fact, many virus are still mystery, for many of them, we still don't know where they come from. that's why movie like blade2 dare to claim that vampire invent cancer to control the human. One thing for sure, virus is an organic weapon, it's not the species that try to take over humanity.

Have you seen Grenade running around and killing people?? NO, but u surely have heard that people killing other people with grenade. Virus also need a "bridge" to get into the human body.

 

[Guest]

Originally posted by Flyingdebris
actually invading earth isn't as hard as it sounds. All you need is a lot of numbers, decent degree of agression, and shock value. Well aside from being able to adapt to a earth based environment.

Guns run out of ammo, not everyone has a gun, and if the insectoid whatevers attack en masse a few guns will only take out a few waves before the shooters get overwhelmed. Hell, in Romano's night of the living dead, humanity gets over run by stupid ass hungry corpses. What makes you think things as fasts as the H.R. Giger aliens wouldn't do it quicker?

If you have enough quantity you can overpower quality, attacking everywhere at once and then surrounding the lasts outposts of resistance. Thats what i would do if i was a zergish alien force. This is assuming the aliens breed at a very fast rate, which insects are wont to do.

if the alien can put up a plan like yours, they are as intelligent as you and they are the superpredator. If you can easily come up a plan on invading Earth, because you're human. If you're able to think of this, it doesn't mean the aliens are able to think of this.

The point u still don't believe is that, For Living Matter, Intelligence is first absolut power and physical strength comes second.

 

[Guest]

Originally posted by )[eVo]( Para
Ok I've decided to invade Earth myself, it can't be that hard after all Flyingdebris told me so. I'm going to start by Quebec, their accent whey they speak french is intolerable

I'll set up factories in Quebec and I will build an army of miniature robot vampires from the past who will ride on the back of giant ants to form a cavalry unit. The backbone of the army will be a massive horde of cybernetic dwarves with hair implants.

Man, u should invade Washington instead then take over Valve and force them to give us everything.

 

[Guest]

btw, virus can only reproduce within the host. no matter how powerful virus are, for their own survival, they can't take over the world and exterminate other living matters.

 

[PLas]

"ennemies"

Now they sound frightening. I'm sure they could easilly take over the planet.

 

[PLas]

Actually come to think about it the world is pretty safe.
There is no way that any sentient life form could agree on or stick to an invasion date

 

[Tull91]

je m'appelle francaise comme un vache espagnol (as you probably can see, please correct any typos) however, many nice ideas/thoughts here...

 

[Guest]

hey salut

 

[Animal]

How do you know giant ant like creatures don't exist in some corner of the galaxy?

They don't need to be individually intelligent to be organised, how often do we see it in nature!

 

[Guest]

Originally posted by Animal
How do you know giant ant like creatures don't exist in some corner of the galaxy?

They don't need to be individually intelligent to be organised, how often do we see it in nature!

i don't know whether they exist, i have no idea.

absolutly true, they don't have to be as intelligent as human to be organised, but they have to be at least as intelligent as human to be superpredator.

 

[Guest]

is Morbo there? plz read my respond to ur idea on virus. there are two on page 6.

 

[Gunner]

Originally posted by Tull91
je m'appelle francaise comme un vache espagnol (as you probably can see, please correct any typos) however, many nice ideas/thoughts here...

Impressionant, vraiment remarquable lol

 

[Gunner]

Originally posted by Animal
How do you know giant ant like creatures don't exist in some corner of the galaxy?

Because Elvis told me so!

 

[OCybrManO]

Actually, a virus could theoretically wipe out the majority of the population... the only thing that needs to happen is for a strain of Ebola to go airborn (mutate so it can survive in the air for a long enough time to move to a new host through the respiratory system).
Then, someone will accidentally carry it to a major country by plane, when it spreads through the air in the airport it could infect people travelling to every continent (well, maybe not Antarctica) and we would all be screwed...

 

[Flyingdebris]

Well here's the thing, what i said about attacking everywhere and surrounding the resistance. What i meant to say is that would be what bugs would likely do. Even unintelligent creatures have coincidental strategy. They would most likely populate where there is least resistance, (low population areas) and begin moving into the defensed areas. However if they are plentiful enough they can completely isolate areas and make travel nigh impossible thus making the individual areas easier to defeat in detail.

 

[Reborn]

humans have no predators, we are the only thing out of line in nature, we keep growing. we need wars to wipe us out or mass diseases like the black plaque in the 1200's

 

[Ro@cH]

I've got a theory about that Reborn, but first I'm going to smoke a cig, be right back.

 

[Animal]

You know, in 1000 years (probably much less) humans could easily be the feared aliens which go around destroying entire planets and consuming their resources. There are bairly any natural resources left on our planet as it is, imagine how little time it will be until we have to look outside of our planet for the resources we need.

We could conceivably be the most advanced society in the galaxy (universe?), if this is true, other civilizations would be wiped out by the unstoppable human war machine as we rape the universe of its resources. We are the invaders with superior technology who 'harvest' the other planets.

Maybe there is already a civilization like this and it's only a matter of time before they come to earth. :cheese:

 

[Flyingdebris]

is the theory that the larger the population is, the more likely a war is going to break out?

 

[Reborn]

once we use the laser in combat... lol i can't imagine, but yeah...

 

[Gunner]

Originally posted by Reborn
humans have no predators, we are the only thing out of line in nature, we keep growing. we need wars to wipe us out or mass diseases like the black plaque in the 1200's

Ronald Reagan speaking during his term at a UN conference said that the only thing that will unite the hum0ns is a threat from outside our planet: an alien invasion. He said it, if you don't believe go look for it, it's everywhere on UFO fan sites.

 

[Ro@cH]

Reborn: Ok back, here goes: You say that we keep growing. This is correct, but when you look at mankinds intellectual growth (by that I mean, the evolution of our science, mechanics, phylosophy) then you notice that it isn't linear. Our intellectual growth is speeding up, you can compare it to an exponential curve. Open up Excel and maka a graph of the function x*x, where x goes from 1 to 20 if you're not familiar with exponential curves. Now you notice that this exponential growth is very explosive, it keeps getting steeper and steeper. My theory is that, if our intelligence keeps growing exponentially, there has to be a point where it has to slow down because our physiology can not keep up. There is a limit to the rate at which our brain-capacity grows. I'll try to draw a graph to make my point clear.

 

[Ro@cH]

The blue line is our intelligence, the pink line is our physiology (size of brains, strength of our body).
You notice that at one point in time our intelligence surpasses the capabilities of our body. This means that our intellectual growth will have to slow down so our body can catch up.

 

[Morbo]

For the virus thing, Gamevodoo, it was just an example. Nobody's really sure if we can say a virus is a living thing or not anyway. Can a virus eradicate humanity? No, probably not. Ebola kills 80% of the people infected. It's a lot, but not enough to eradicate humanity. You know why? Because no virus can kill EVERYONE. There is always some millions people immune to a virus, the lucky bastards.

For the idea of taking over the Quebec... Strange idea. At least you would get hydroelectricity. For the accent, well I agree it's not perfect but not worst than French accent (from France I mean). But who cares. And you would have some hard time here, you would freeze your balls and we could kick you frozen ass cuz we Quebeckers are immune to cold weather .

ANon, je ne suis pas Canadien, mais Québécois, et franchement l'économie se porterait très bien sans le Canada, merci beaucoup. Anyway ne nous embarquons pas dans ce débat si vieux car avec les Libéraux au pouvoir on ne risque pas d'en entendre parler. Mais qu'est-ce qui a pris aux électeurs, je me le demande...

Et honnêtement, tu est fier d'avoir Jean Chrétien comme premier minus?

Do you people think that Jean Chrétien is actually the ugliest country leader?

 

[Morbo]

For the size of the brain, it's common to say that the brain is getting bigger with evolution. But it has been proven to be false. Neanderthal men (not sure it's the right word) had a brain bigger than ours, yet he was way dumber. So why are we more intelligent? The size of the brain is lower, but the number of cell is way higher. I don't think that humanity's intelligence will kill it's own body. We would probably be instinct before this breakpoint anyway.

 

[Ro@cH]

I hope you didn't misunderstand me and think I was trying to say that our intelligence will kill us. I was saying that our intelligence can't keep on growing exponetially as it has been doing over the last 10.000 years. Somewhere in the future our bodies have to catch up. You can already see some of this today. We invent things that some people cannot grasp. Some people just go nuts when they try to understand how certain things work.

 

[HiroProtaganist]

you could just explain it all with Descartes "Ghost in the Machine" that the mind is in a different category, an entirely seperate enitity than the body. hence it's funtion are not governed by the body. This philosophy was used to explain how the soul survives after death.

*note "Ghost in the Machine" is actually the title of Ryle's article that ripps the balls off of Descarte's argument also known as the categorical mistake. Fun read for anyone into Metaphysics.

 

[Animal]

It's actually the amount of surface area (of the brain) that has increased directly with our learning capacity, cell density has increased also though...

Anyway, Ro@cH, you don't actually believe that when the time comes that our intellectual growth surpasses our physical limitations, that we will still be limited by nature. Even now genetic experiments related to human enhancement are being performed, and cybernetic components have already been successfully integrated into the human brain (artifical eyes for example, however basic). When this time comes, i'm sure our physical forms, whatever they may be, will be up to the task.

 

[PLas]

holy shit this thread has really moved on.

Now I gota ask it. If you had this massive brain... and this beefy cranium to house it... and you turned into a zombie… would you still stop coming after me if I shot you in the brain?

 

[Gunner]

^^ what kind of nonsense is that? zombies do not exist

 

[Flyingdebris]

don't exist? or DO exist?

 

[Morbo]

Originally posted by )[eVo]( Para
^^ what kind of nonsense is that? zombies do not exist

Yeah right... Zombies do not exist... Right... *Morbo carefully close and lock the door of his basement*

 

[FictiousWill]

When software and computing merge with organic flesh and blood and neurons we will both cease to be human and be more human than ever before. Machines with transplanted human consciousness, the concept of the body as a separateable vessel for the mind, life, death, immortality... It's all fast approaching. I can see nanorobotic perfect immune systems in 200 years that effectively make a person immortal, and computing technology that merges with human memory to replace human thought. It'll be an exciting time.

"It is a true pity to be born and die in limbo between the future and the past"
- some japanese guy

I don't know about the rest of you, but I plan to live forever.

 

[Morbo]

That whole concept of merging mind and software makes me wonder... How will people will define humanity then? Imagine if we make a robot so perfect that no one can tell he's not human. He talks, reacts and even think like a human. He can do whatever a human can and he even has some instinct. Is he human? Hard to tell...

 

[Guest]

Originally posted by Morbo
That whole concept of merging mind and software makes me wonder... How will people will define humanity then? Imagine if we make a robot so perfect that no one can tell he's not human. He talks, reacts and even think like a human. He can do whatever a human can and he even has some instinct. Is he human? Hard to tell...

sure, it will be hard to define humanity, but they are not things from the remote future and they are the problems happening right now. Think of cloning, they could clone anyone(any real human beings), we lose out speciality or our identity. I always tell myself that i'm special, cuz i'm unique, but what if they clone me or i realize that i'm in fact a clone. Beside, they can manipulate the DNA of clone and make him super smart or something, eventually ur parents will like ur clone more than u. I know they use clonage for medical use, such as replacing ur ill lung with ur clone lung, that's ok, but if they clone an entire human being, i'm totally against it, unless we human are superious to our clones and we must be their masters, in order to archieve that, we must be more intelligent than our clone. Man is it possible to be more intelligent than our clone?!! Mankind will probably kill off themselve one day by their stupidity.

 

[PrivatePanic]

Well the thing about clones that most people oversee is that it's impossible to create the perfect clone (meaning: A "copy" of me that looks like me, talks like me, thinks like me... has my memories...) because every clone also starts as a single cell, like ourselves.

And this cell must be implanted into a surrogate mother's uterus and grow, be born, and grow up.

Sure, it HAS the exact equal DNA like you, but in all this time, the clone makes different experiences, lives in a different environment (different time!) and so becomes a different person.

The idea of cloning to create perfect copies of people is a nice topic for scifi stories, but will never exists in reality.

 

[Animal]

Unless they are cloned while still in the fetus stage and brought up in a controled environment...