To those who see religion as harmless...

Good article. But shouldn't this be in the politics section?
 
This is exactly why I still view faith to be so useless and counter-productive. Whenever I talk about the death caused by Christianity, there's always at least one person who says "lawl the crusades were ages ago, dummy". What these people fail to realize is that religion doesn't need to be stabbing you in the face with a knife in order for it to be dangerous. Ignorance can be just as deadly, if not moreso.
 
I never understood why religious people hated vaccinations, but meh.

Good article.
 
Politics and science are just as harmful as religion.
 
I predict an argument about the atom bomb or something.
 
Science advances warfare! Kill science with fire! Oh wait, science invented fire!
 
Raziaar said:
Science advances warfare! Kill science with fire! Oh wait, science invented fire!
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Nah, no it didn't.

Experiment created fire-making tools.

Anyways as much as I love (most of) science, you need to remember it's just as dangerous as religion and politics, if not somehow moreso.
 
I fail to see how. Last time I checked scientists didn't fly a plane into a building, killng thousands and damaging the global economy.
 
Cheomesh said:
Nah, no it didn't.

Experiment created fire-making tools.

Anyways as much as I love (most of) science, you need to remember it's just as dangerous as religion and politics, if not somehow moreso.
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Of course it didn't.

And yeah, science and scientific pursuits have the potential to be incredibly deadly. It all depends on what the people involved want to accomplish, and how driven they are to do it. They may have noble or truly disturbing ambitions. Past, present of future, doesn't really matter.

Science is a very good thing, but just like anything, it too can be used as a medium for corruption. I think people are foolish to think religion is the only thing used as such in this world.
 
Raziaar said:
I think people are foolish to think religion is the only thing used as such in this world.
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I like you, you have sense.

Religion has given us the foundation of Ethics. Regardless of region, or point in time, a societies ethical code has always had its roots in their religion. The moment you abandon ethics, you abandon hope.

I'm tired now, so I'm going to go sleep.
 
Cheomesh said:
I like you, you have sense.

Religion has given us the foundation of Ethics. Regardless of region, or point in time, a societies ethical code has always had its roots in their religion. The moment you abandon ethics, you abandon hope.

I'm tired now, so I'm going to go sleep.
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Whose ass did you pull this from?
 
I was reading it up until this point:

All the major religious texts say explicitly that disease is caused by demons and devils.
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At which point it became blatantly obvious the author didn't bother to do a single iota of research, and was just writing a rant.

Christianity and Judaism as a whole teaches that it's because of a fallen world that such things happen, not the work of demons.
 
Oh god, anything can be seen as harmful. A pencil can be used to draw, and it can also be used to stab someone. Ohhhh, pencils are bad nowwwww.

Everything can be used in a "harmful" way, religion, science, pencils, but big ****ing deal, as long as your not stabbing me with your damn pencil, it's all good. Same with religion or anything else.
 
I for one encourage all hardcore religious people to stop using vaccinations.
 
evil^milk said:
I for one encourage all hardcore religious people to stop using vaccinations.
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So they die out? Haha :p

Seriously, why do muslims consider so many good things un-islamic. Why? It really pisses me off. Religion is a powerful medium to follow to give us peace at mind of "bad" things which are inevitable such as our times of distress, death etc. and to teach people moral ethical values (as far as I am concerned, this is just "do good to your fellow men" and nothing else) However, there are some A-holes out there who decide to tweak religion for pointless reasons where nobody benefits.
 
I love it when people start heating up billions of gallons of tar and readying their millions of brushes when stuff like that happens.
 
lets just agree that fundamentally religious people are idiots, especially if they do stupid stuff in the name of religion
 
Seppo said:
lets just agree that fundamentally religious people are idiots, especially if they do stupid stuff in the name of religion
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I don't think religious people are stupid ('cept from fundies). Irrational, but not stupid.

Cheomesh said:
I like you, you have sense.

Religion has given us the foundation of Ethics. Regardless of region, or point in time, a societies ethical code has always had its roots in their religion. The moment you abandon ethics, you abandon hope.

I'm tired now, so I'm going to go sleep.
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I agree. Stoning people to death because they are different or slowing the progress of stem cells is completely ethical. Yep.
 
Cheomesh said:
Religion has given us the foundation of Ethics. Regardless of region, or point in time, a societies ethical code has always had its roots in their religion. The moment you abandon ethics, you abandon hope.
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You talk as if the only source of ethics or morality comes from religion. That is so far from the truth that it makes me depressed every time I hear someone say that with sincerity.
 
LOL, guess what, if we hadn't had the crusades or any religon, the present day might have turned out differently, and perhaps we would ahve no HL2 or HL2.net. Think about it.
 
Independent thought is also very dangerous, we should suppress that as well.
 
Science is only really dangerous when it's used to further someone's religious or political goals.

The Daily Mail are despicable for the whole MMR thing.

-Angry Lawyer
 
There are many people in the world who really don't understand, or say they don't, what is the great issue between the free world and the religious world. Let them come to Berlin. There are some who say that religion is the wave of the future. Let them come to Berlin. And there are some who say in Europe and elsewhere we can work with the religious. Let them come to Berlin. And there are even a few who say that it is true that religion is an evil system, but it permits us to make economic progress. Lass' sie nach Berlin kommen. Let them come to Berlin.
 
Do we blow up Berlin once we populate it with the religious?

-Angry Lawyer
 
It's downright wrong to say that all ethics are based on religion, in fact it's utterly ludicrous .

As Christopher Hitchens says in God is Not Great, do the people who spout this believe that Moses and his followers, until they got issued the ten commandments, believed that murder, theft, rape, ect. were all okay and acceptable? Only to be told by God with the 10 commandments that these things were not kosher?

Please, have some self-respect, I don't steal and kill people becuase I don't like seeing fellow human beings hurt as a result of my actions, not becuase God will punish me if I do it.
 
Hardcore Darwinistic Athiests and Hardcore Biggoted Fundamentalists are all the same.

GOD
SCIENCE
GOD
SCIENCE
NO RELIGION
NO SCIENCE
PRAY
NO PRAYING

They are both like two stupid little kids fighting over whether chocolate is better than vanilla, look, shut the hell up and just eat your damn icecream.
 
Wtf?

Hardcore dawin atheists?

You mean, rational, scientifically literate people?
 
I think there's more religious people doing really ****ing stupid stuff compared to people who do stupid stuff in the name of science.

that's my 2 cents
 
zombieturtle01 said:
GOD
SCIENCE, FOR THESE PROVEN AND LOGICAL REASONS
NOPE, GOD
SCIENCE, FOR THESE OTHER PROVEN AND LOGICAL REASONS
RELIGION
SCIENCE, RELIGION IS WRONG FOR THESE REASONS
PRAY
NO PRAYING, IT DOESN'T DO ANYTHING
YOU ARE GOING TO HELL
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Fixed.
 
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I edited it to elaborate, theres more now.
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I think you might be wrong, though. Hardcore religion tends to have the side effect of teaching you to hate certain groups of people arbitrarily, at the whims of a book. Atheism doesn't really have a parallel there.

-Angry Lawyer
 
Nor does science. Unless you think global destruction would a bitchin' basis for an experiment.

And it would be.

Also, the ice cream analogy is flawed. There is no such thing as a "sane and right" choice of flavor for frozen goodies. The same cannot be said for the choice between science and faith.
 
I'll point out the obvious, anything can be used in a harmful way.

There can be crazy loony religious people, and there can be crazy loony athiestic people.

Theres always going to be a good and a bad to everything, and if you can't see that, then you are the one being illogical.

Here's a simple example for you as I said before-

An artist can use a pencil to draw, or an artist can use a pencil to stab someone.
Does this mean that pencils are bad? Noooo
Does this mean that all artists are crazy maniacs that stab people? Nooo

It all depends how you use it, to dismiss an entire idea, or set of ideas as "harmful" due to certain stupid individuals has absolutely no logic within it all.

Hitler used a lot of Darwinistic ideas right? Uh no! That must mean science is harmful!
*sarcasm*

-It all depends on who uses it, and how they use it. That goes for religion, science, god damn pencils, etc.
 
Which is why I'm so pumped about LHC :D

Damnit, Absinthe, I miss having you post at Het :(

-Angry Lawyer
 
I wonder if science becomes the only way to go few hundred years from now. Maybe people will laugh at the holy bible and it'll be refered to as "the compilation of the best jokes in history"
 
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