UK Public Smoking Ban - July 1st

I want the pro-smoking nazis to come back and post some illogical arguements against banning smoking in public buildings, they amuse me.
 
The problem is that smoking killed them. Nicotine is a highly addictive substance - my grandfather resisted it, but my grandmother could not.

Cigarettes are just another brand of harmful drugs and if heroine is banned, there is no reason why cigs shouldn't be.
 
Absinthe said:
You could argue that it has no benefits to the individual, but the same could be said of alcohol. They're both detrimental substances
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The difference is that passive smoking harms others.

Sugary drinks are technically detrimental to your health, but the difference is that you're doing it to yourself, not pouring it down other peoples throats.
 
Absinthe said:
To be blunt, this is the case. The relationship between smoking and cancer is that one is a result of the other. Suicide may not be the appropriate term, but it was indeed death brought about by their own volition.
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I'm not arguing that that isn't the case. I was just pointing out the flaws present when Solaris said that they used smoking as a "tool" to "kill themselves" and that their health problems were "their own fault", which I'm sure you'll agree is... well, let's just say "not in any way rational".

[edit] Also what Stardog said.
 
it's very hard for me to get addicted to anything, i'd suppose i'm not as addicted to smoking as most are, i smoke it on and off. it's a social thing though and i value it greatly. it's great when you're drunk, great after sex, great when you're with friends, it brings people together. having it has a habit helped me deal with some very tough issues not too long ago

i'm fine with not having to smoke indoors, but outdoors i think it's pretty stupid to push for a ban. there are far more important and threatening issues to deal with in today's society.
 
The difference is that passive smoking harms others.

Sugary drinks are technically detrimental to your health, but the difference is that you're doing it to yourself, not pouring it down other peoples throats.
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but fat people disgust others! we should ban soft drinks, i can't stand walking out and seeing a fat guy pouring down a soft drink.

you're complaining alot more about smokers than all the other shit society is shoving down your throats, in what way does it deserve your attention more?
 
Well there is less risk to others outdoors via passive smoking, indoors however you are stuck in a room filling with toxic fumes.
 
CrazyHarij said:
but fat people disgust others! we should ban soft drinks, i can't stand walking out and seeing a fat guy pouring down a soft drink.
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Too bad you can't quantify the harmful effects of disgust. :|
 
cigarettes cause lot's of fires.


no drug is beneficial, it's a sign of disorder, amongst others. it's a non natural quick way to get pleasure.
 
CrazyHarij said:
but fat people disgust others! we should ban soft drinks, i can't stand walking out and seeing a fat guy pouring down a soft drink.

you're complaining alot more about smokers than all the other shit society is shoving down your throats, in what way does it deserve your attention more?
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Seeing a fat person walking down the street doesn't give you cancer.
 
no drug is beneficial, it's a sign of disorder, amongst others. it's a non natural quick way to get pleasure.
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what..?

Seeing a fat person walking down the street doesn't give you cancer.
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standing remotely near a smoker for 3 seconds doesn't give you cancer either, as much as the newspapers want you to believe that
 
Exposure to substances present in smoke from cigarettes vastly increases the chances of developing cancer, this is a fact. You cannot dispute this, Harij.
Doesn't matter what you tell us, you cannot disprove that smoking is bad, or even prove that it is good.
 
StardogChampion said:
The difference is that passive smoking harms others.
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You won't see me arguing otherwise. That point was made solely at "cigarettes have no pros".

jverne said:
cigarettes cause lot's of fires.


no drug is beneficial, it's a sign of disorder, amongst others. it's a non natural quick way to get pleasure.
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See, now you're getting into territory where you're required to... oh, I dunno... shut up?
 
it sure as hell is bad. it's shit, it's ****ed up. end of story. i dont have any reason to justify why i smoke or why i think it's good. **** you.

i'm well aware i'm slowly killing myself doing it, but heck, i'd rather live 10 more years from now doing everything i enjoy with the people i love, rather than living for 60 more years in total fear, eventually dying from drinking too much green tea.
 
As opposed to living 60 more years doing what you enjoy not smoking, instead of 10.
 
I hate smoke from cigarettes. My mom smokes. I hate when she does. I hate having my clothes smell lightly of cigarette smoke. I hate the smell. I hate cigarettes.

That being said, people have certain freedoms. I personally think this implementation of banning smoking is a travesty. As a non-smoker, I can just go somewhere else. Or ask them to put it out. People don't get offended.
 
if i stop smoking all the other shit i do, or will do, will probably kill me off sooner or later
 
neptuneuk said:
As opposed to living 60 more years doing what you enjoy not smoking, instead of 10.
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Let's be drama queens, everybody!

YOUR CHANCES OF BEING HIT BY A CAR WHILE CROSSING THE STREET ARE INCREASED 85% BECAUSE YOU WERE TOO BUSY SMOKING. NO WAY YOU'RE GONNA LIVE TO SEE 35.

Ignoring second-hand smoke for a second, every substance you consume is a trade-off. If I take cold medicine, I'm choosing between having a cold or taking the medicine and experiencing drowsiness. When I smoke pot, I'm accepting that my subsequent dietary habits will probably not be choice. Similarly, I could hypothetically live to be 100 if I never touched a drop of alcohol or smoked a cig, but I willfully and knowingly take these substances with that in mind because I find my personal emotional well-being to be of more importance. You are always weighing negative consequences. Cancer can throw a wrench into that philosophy, but the chances of getting it even among smokers is still low. And for every smoker who dies young, there are many others that do manage to live a long life with little more than a cough.

So please. Let's drop this "You're taking 5/10/15 years off of your life by smoking" shit. We are largely aware of what we are doing. We accept those possibilities. We just don't really care. At least not for the time being.

Nothing pisses me off more than non-smokers getting all righteous about health issues and assuming they need to enlighten us poor, unhealthy, uneducated smoker ****s.
 
Absinthe said:
Let's be drama queens, everybody!

YOU'RE CHANCES OF BEING HIT BY A CAR WHILE CROSSING THE STREET ARE INCREASED 85% BECAUSE YOU WERE TOO BUSY SMOKING. NO WAY YOU'RE GONNA LIVE TO SEE 35.
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Quoted to piss you off.
 
Stigmata said:
Also...No offense, but this is an incredibly ignorant and downright stupid comment. Saying his grandparents committed suicide by smoking is like saying my dad committed suicide by getting terminal cancer.
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Sigh, if people would read the thread and this comment they could avoid having to insult me and then retract it.

Anyway, Stigmata, he was the one who was attributing blame to smoking for killing them, what he said was:
'Smoking killed my grandmother', it was he who put the cause down to smoking not me I just said his grandmother killed herself if blame can be attributed anywhere by smoking.

But it doesnt only harm themselves.

THATS THE WHOLE POINT OF THE BAN!
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I'm sorry, but you were calling for a complete ban of smoking, it is very easy to smoke and not harm the health of others by doing it. So outright banning smoking is not justified with the 'it harms other people' argument, because it doesn't.

It's like banning golf because 'beating to death with golf clubs' is becoming too frequent.
 
Sounds much more exciting! ^
The murderous golfers will take to the streets with golf glubs in protest of the ban.

Also, are you stupid? When was all smoking banned? I must have missed something, that or you are pretending that a hypothetical situation is infact completely true. Very cleverly executed!
 
lol @ absinthe :D

I feel that an outside smoking ban is appropriate when it's in a public place or when there are non-smokers in your direct viscinity. vicsinity. vis-**** it. Now, smokers should still be able to light one up when there is no one around. If they get prohibited from doing that, well, that's just stupid :|
 
neptuneuk said:
Sounds much more exciting! ^
The murderous golfers will take to the streets with golf glubs in protest of the ban.

Also, are you stupid? When was all smoking banned? I must have missed something, that or you are pretending that a hypothetical situation is infact completely true. Very cleverly executed!
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The Original Post states that smoking will be banned in all public places,

This is incorrect, however it's interesting to discuss it anyway.
 
Smoking itself is not banned. Which you suggested. Buh
 
Absinthe said:
Let's be drama queens, everybody!

YOUR CHANCES OF BEING HIT BY A CAR WHILE CROSSING THE STREET ARE INCREASED 85% BECAUSE YOU WERE TOO BUSY SMOKING. NO WAY YOU'RE GONNA LIVE TO SEE 35.

Ignoring second-hand smoke for a second, every substance you consume is a trade-off. If I take cold medicine, I'm choosing between having a cold or taking the medicine and experiencing drowsiness. When I smoke pot, I'm accepting that my subsequent dietary habits will probably not be choice. Similarly, I could hypothetically live to be 100 if I never touched a drop of alcohol or smoked a cig, but I willfully and knowingly take these substances with that in mind because I find my personal emotional well-being to be of more importance. You are always weighing negative consequences. Cancer can throw a wrench into that philosophy, but the chances of getting it even among smokers is still low. And for every smoker who dies young, there are many others that do manage to live a long life with little more than a cough.

So please. Let's drop this "You're taking 5/10/15 years off of your life by smoking" shit. We are largely aware of what we are doing. We accept those possibilities. We just don't really care. At least not for the time being.

Nothing pisses me off more than non-smokers getting all righteous about health issues and assuming they need to enlighten us poor, unhealthy, uneducated smoker ****s.
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As a non-smoker I do not give a shit about your health, neither do you obviously. However, being a smoker suggests that you could have blatant disregard for the health of others around you due to actions of your own.
 
Solaris said:
No.
I didn't.
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Then all those posts you have just made argueing against the outright ban of smoking have just been rendered obsolete then. Thanks for clarifying that for everyone.
 
neptuneuk said:
As a non-smoker I do not give a shit about your health, neither do you obviously. However, being a smoker suggests that you could have blatant disregard for the health of others around you due to actions of your own.
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Not at all,
Many smokers smoke only amongst the company of other smokers or outside. That harms no-ones health but their own. And what you just said there is damnright horrible and has no place here. You just said you don't care if a fellow forum poster dies, that should not be allowed.

Then all those posts you have just made argueing against the outright ban of smoking have just been rendered obsolete then. Thanks for clarifying that for everyone.
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I'm sorry, but I feel entitled to be a little rude here.

You accused me of saying smoking was banned, SOMETHING I NEVER SAID, I asked to support this, and you refuse to either support that claim or apologise for making me look like a lier, great community spirit you've got there. If you can't debate and be civil don't debate. And if I was addressing a point made by someone, which was smoking should be banned completely, how is that rendered obsolete because its not what happened???
 
Solaris said:
Not at all,
Many smokers smoke only amongst the company of other smokers or outside. That harms no-ones health but their own.
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I have no problem with that, but you wish to retain the right to smoke while putting other people's health at risk. Which is a contradiction to what you have just stated.
 
neptuneuk said:
I have no problem with that, but you wish to retain the right to smoke while putting other people's health at risk. Which is a contradiction to what you have just stated.
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No I do not, again with the unfounded accusations, where have I said I oppose banning smoking indoors in public places like restaurants and clubs?

And btw, it's pretty rude to accuse me of lying and when asked to substantiate that refuse and not even apologize for the accusation.
 
Absinthe said:
This is bullshit. Guess I'm never going to a club or bar in the UK (not that I'd ever want to).
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Don't come North of the border either then, Canada has been smoke free in public places (other than bars and casinos) for years now.

No-smoking in bars and casinos has since been implemented, but much more recently.
 
neptuneuk said:
Read the line below that, would you care about the health of someone who does not care themself? Unless they were a person close to you.
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Yes, because smokers value there lives.

We should all be pretty friendly now, it's not a nice place when people are rude to each other to the extent that they say they don't care if somebody else dies.

I don't appreciate your comment and I don't even smoke, it's offensive and doesn't help make Hl2.net a nice place to be.

Imo your not really welcome here, I don't want to talk to someone who doesn't care if other forum members die.

I'm going to put you on ignore, and others to do the same and for you to be banned.
 
Where did I say anything about caring about someones death? I have no reason to value the health of someone who smokes... because neither do they, because they smoke. It's pretty sound logic.
For some forum members who have a lower band of intelligence, or are just slow, I will try and aid their understanding.

Someone smokes.
Smoking has a negative impact on health.
Person in question must not care that much about their health because they smoke.
It has little to do with other people.
Other people have no reason to be concerned.

I do no believe it is possible nor necessary for it to be explained any further.
 
I'm all for it being banned in pubs/clubs. Anywhere else, I'm not overly bothered.
 
Solaris said:
Yes, because smokers value there lives.

We should all be pretty friendly now, it's not a nice place when people are rude to each other to the extent that they say they don't care if somebody else dies.

I don't appreciate your comment and I don't even smoke, it's offensive and doesn't help make Hl2.net a nice place to be.

Imo your not really welcome here, I don't want to talk to someone who doesn't care if other forum members die.

I'm going to put you on ignore, and others to do the same and for you to be banned.
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My my, Solaris, that's awfully rude for someone complaining about how rude the world is.
 
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