UK Public Smoking Ban - July 1st

I am strongly for it being banned in public buildings, but I would be against banning it all together, like all drugs people should have the right to use them in their own privacy without affecting other people.
 
Stigmata said:
My my, Solaris, that's awfully rude for someone complaining about how rude the world is.
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Not really.

I like to think, in a way, were all freinds here. We should act like that, it makes it a nicer place to be. What Neptune said doesn't really fit with that. What he said was pretty unreasonable, does he care for fat peoples healths? What about people who have just a little to much salt? People who drink?

But most importantly its a horrible thing to say.
 
Baal said:
No-smoking in bars and casinos has since been implemented, but much more recently.
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Such is my primary concern. I generally don't smoke indoor at any other places, sans houses that allow it.

This is all the more reason for me to purchase my very own little plot of land in the ocean and dub it "Smoke Island". Cigarette vending machines shall line the roads, and all who come shall be greeted with the finest Cuban there is. Taps will pour fourth whiskey and a hole in the ozone layer shall burn directly above my paradise. Euthanasia will obviously have to be an option for those terminally ill.

Half of the inhabitants will die, but what a life it will be. Life as real men. Not like any of you pristine sissies. And one day we will invade and overthrow the oppressive shackles over Europe. Ireland will be the first target of liberation, because... come on... not smoking in Ireland is just wrong.
 
didnt read all this but I think is kind of exagerated

btw solaris chavez hav sayd he thinks about baning public smoking too so you deal whit it
 
Hahahaha!!! Actually no I do not care about fat people's health!!! I laugh at them, because I'm a prick! teeheee watch em' wobble!
 
Solaris said:
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QFT
 
I wish they did that over here in the US. Everytime I go outside of my school building for breaks I feel like im about to die. I step out the door and its like

*WHAM* : lung cancer

There is seriously 15-30 people depending on the time, that stand out there in huge groups, and you need to walk like 20 feet away from the chairs and tables in order to not be inhaling smoke with every breath.
 
neptuneuk said:
As a non-smoker I do not give a shit about your health, neither do you obviously.
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That's nice. I never asked you to care, but thanks for the sentiment regardless. I merely wanted to point out how stupid your mentality was. Contrary to what you may have been taught, not every smoker is going to keel over in the next ten years.

However, being a smoker suggests that you could have blatant disregard for the health of others around you due to actions of your own.
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Elaborate. Pray tell, from what line of reasoning does this "suggestion" arise?

Granted, if somebody in a smoking section tells me to put out my light, I will happily tell them to vacate their location of their own will. But I have been respectful of other peoples' requests, so long as they weren't pricks.

The reasoning that, because I smoke, I don't care about my health is ridiculous. Just because I engage in a limited amount of risky activities does not mean I'm going to plunge into a deadly freefall in regards to my well-being. If such were the case, I'd already be dead by now.

SimonomiS said:
You're not one for the whole "it adds atmosphere" thing then?

I quite liked the smoke and smell hanging around in the air at gigs.
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Likewise, even before I began smoking. And I know quite a few non-smokers who share similar thoughts.

Please note that I am not saying that something as relatively frivolous as atmosphere should be treated on par with health concerns. I merely wish to demonstrate that not every non-smoker gives such a big shit about it. I'm noticing this stupid trend for people in this topic to imply this kind of "Us vs. Them" mindset when the teeming masses of oppressed non-smokers people seem to be alluding to aren't as huge as you'd like to believe.
 
neptuneuk said:
Hahahaha!!! Actually no I do not care about fat people's health!!! I laugh at them, because I'm a prick! teeheee watch em' wobble!
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I've got nothing against people being fat. In fact, some of my best friends are fat. So long as they're no fat around me, and they don't try anything on... I mean... you know what fat people are like... well anyway, it's ok. Just don't try to turn me fat, or take me to any fat clubs or anything like that.
 
Farrowlesparrow said:
I've got nothing against people being fat. In fact, some of my best friends are fat. So long as they're no fat around me, and they don't try anything on... I mean... you know what fat people are like... well anyway, it's ok. Just don't try to turn me fat, or take me to any fat clubs or anything like that.
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He's got fat lurgi!!! *refuses to associate with* :p
 
SimonomiS said:
You're not one for the whole "it adds atmosphere" thing then?

I quite liked the smoke and smell hanging around in the air at gigs.
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It can sometimes, but gigs are different, and often much better ventilated than pubs/clubs :)
 
second hand smoke does ~0 harm especially outdoors. Indoors, fair enough it might bother some people (although pubs are places where people smoke, if you don't like it don't go in) but outdoors is just stupid.

I don't smoke so i'm not saying it for my benefit.
 
Second-hand smoke outdoors is indeed a trivial matter. Unless we're talking crowded bus stops or something similar, I'm not seeing any more danger than what already floats around the air in most countries.

My mind keeps coming back to the bars. I'm a boozehound and they are places I go to with my mates to have a few pints, light up, relax, and have a good time. If my favorite pubs ever put in smoking bans, I'd be right and proper ****ed.
 
Solaris said:
Sorry mate, but did you actually read my post? I explained why your reasoning that your using there is incorrect, and instead of reputing it you just used the same reasoning I'd already pre-empted.

If I am standing outside the libary smoking, who's human rights am I denying?

I presume your going to say "right to life", so the question is,

In what way does 'walking past/standing next to someone for a short while' who happens to be smoking damage your own personal health? I can see a case for banning it indoors, but outside is just silly. If I smoke outside it's not damaging anyones health, is it?

And by the way I don't smoke.
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You misunderstand me - I read your post, and I'm now left wondering whether you read mine.

The 'baseline issues of health and antisocial behaviour' was referring to smoking. The 'human rights' was referring to banning fat people from being in public places.

I'll make it easier. I was saying your analogy was stupid, because banning fat people from public places isn't comparable to banning smoking in public places. With that in mind, you can either go back to my post, interpret it correctly, and then try and refute my assertions, or you can leave it at that. This thread has gotten so long so quick I suggest the latter :p
 
jondy said:
You misunderstand me - I read your post, and I'm now left wondering whether you read mine.

The 'baseline issues of health and antisocial behaviour' was referring to smoking. The 'human rights' was referring to banning fat people from being in public places.

I'll make it easier. I was saying your analogy was stupid, because banning fat people from public places isn't comparable to banning smoking in public places. With that in mind, you can either go back to my post, interpret it correctly, and then try and refute my assertions, or you can leave it at that. This thread has gotten so long so quick I suggest the latter :p
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Heh, actually mate, I though you were defending the [wrong] report of smoking being banned in all public places, I take it your not?

If the OP could learn to report back to the forum properly and post sources...
 
well i work in a nightclub and i for one am for the ban because since working where i do, i come home coughing my ass off because of inhaling so much smoke. some people don't have simple courtesy such as not smoking at the bar...i always make sure i give DIRTY looks to people who blow smoke at me

i even said something to a group of tossers who were blowing cigar smoke over the bar once...its not on
 
Dear god. I think this thread is giving me second hand stupid.
 
Farrowlesparrow said:
I've got nothing against people being fat. In fact, some of my best friends are fat. So long as they're no fat around me, and they don't try anything on... I mean... you know what fat people are like... well anyway, it's ok. Just don't try to turn me fat, or take me to any fat clubs or anything like that.
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I've already seen a few people today walking around in tight velour clothes with bellies hanging out, and they think that its stylish. Seriously its scary.


I swear I haven't heard from you for some time, have you been banned or away from the forums for some time?
 
To everyone saying that second hand smoking outdoors does nothing...get a clue. It's still cigarette smoke, it still harms you.
Also, I'm glad this ban has come into place, because I think it's horrible. Which also means I don't care what anyone else says ^^
 
You think this limits a smoker's choice?

They have no choice because their life is ruled by nicotine. This is an act of mercy.
 
Meh, won't affect me. I smoke the good kind of 'smoke' :D (in privacy might I add).
 
Solaris said:
Heh, actually mate, I though you were defending the [wrong] report of smoking being banned in all public places, I take it your not?

If the OP could learn to report back to the forum properly and post sources...
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Edited with a source now, and please dont direct your argument with someone else to me. Its called 'having no time at Uni' :E
 
Llama said:
To everyone saying that second hand smoking outdoors does nothing...get a clue. It's still cigarette smoke, it still harms you.
Also, I'm glad this ban has come into place, because I think it's horrible. Which also means I don't care what anyone else says ^^
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Not really.
Outside is so well ventilated, and your exposed to smokers outside so little I doubt it has any affect on anyones health.
 
Solaris said:
Not really.
Outside is so well ventilated, and your exposed to smokers outside so little I doubt it has any affect on anyones health.
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So thats just air im breathing when a smoker walks past and i breath in his/her 'trail' as he/she creates?
 
"The scientific and medical evidence is clear - second-hand smoke kills, causing a range of serious medical conditions including lung cancer, heart disease, and sudden infant death syndrome," she said.

"This legislation will help to prevent the unnecessary deaths caused every year from second-hand smoke, and recognises that there is absolutely no safe level of exposure."
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Yes, I do. Its 2nd hand smoke. 2nd hand smoke is almost as harmful. Sheesh.

Dont believe me??? :

http://www.lungusa.org/site/pp.asp?c=dvLUK9O0E&b=35422

and

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2053840.stm

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Secondhand smoke causes approximately 3,400 lung cancer deaths and 22,700-69,600 heart disease deaths in adult nonsmokers in the United States each year.4
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A study found that nonsmokers exposed to environmental smoke were 25 percent more likely to have coronary heart diseases
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So there.
 
Banning smoking in pubs/clubs etc. fine by me, means i don't get pissed off and stink of smoke all night

If they are banning people from smoking when the are just outside then that is just stupid imo.

And no i am not a smoker btw
 
most of the second hand smokers who die are family members, people who work at places where there's lots of smoke, stuff like that.
 
I took up smoking just to piss people off.



The more you try to avoid cancer, the higher your chances of getting hit by a bus.
 
As long as I have my "Non-Smoking" section, I'm set. I can't be anywhere near someone smoking *yes, even outside, for you people who think you can't tell* and I can't breathe. My lungs just shut, it feels like. I can be 5+ feet away, and the wind blowing to our side, yet I STILL smell it. It sucks really bad...so I'm one of those "Pussies" that can't stand it.
 
CyberPitz said:
As long as I have my "Non-Smoking" section, I'm set. I can't be anywhere near someone smoking *yes, even outside, for you people who think you can't tell* and I can't breathe. My lungs just shut, it feels like. I can be 5+ feet away, and the wind blowing to our side, yet I STILL smell it. It sucks really bad...so I'm one of those "Pussies" that can't stand it.
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Ditto. People that say you cant smell it or be affected by it outside:

sorry, youre wrong. I CAN smell it. Stop denying it to stop the ban and make yourself feel better about yourself? :E
 
awesome news for UK, be nice if they did it over here too.
Damn college people, walking in front of me with their cigarette, forcing me to go on the side just to pass their smelly asses.
 
DEATHMASTER said:
awesome news for UK, be nice if they did it over here too.
Damn college people, walking in front of me with their cigarette, forcing me to go on the side just to pass their smelly asses.
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Tis so true. :(
 
CrazyHarij said:
most of the second hand smokers who die are family members, people who work at places where there's lots of smoke, stuff like that.
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Bingo.

Seriously, I suggest a halt to this drama and, at the very least, be sane and rational.

Yes, cigarette smoke is bad for your health, directly or passively inhaled. But you are being absolutely effin' ridiculous if you think that brief whiff of a smoke outdoors is crippling your lungs. Maybe if you lived in a cramped city where 95% of the population smoked. Chances are you don't. Second-hand smoke develops serious health concerns in enclosed areas where people are continuously subjected to it. Outdoors? It's as negligible as a fart.

No offense to some people here, but boo-hoo if you can smell smoke outdoors.
 
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