US says no to nanotechnology

theotherguy said:
That isn't nanotechnology, that's genetic engineering.

Nanotechnology is just making very very small things. Yes it can be abused, but so can any technology.
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Oh lol, nevermind then. How could people find building tiny machines morally wrong?

And Sulkdodds, I'm assuming your point is that in fact, nothing is evil, and that everything can instead just be abused, right? In that case: Killing puppies ain't evil, but it can be abused!

EDIT: also, it seems I got my ass handed to me, gg, i quit.
 
Everyone who said nanotechnology is wrong should be burned.
I see nothing wrong with it. If it betters ourselves and our community, it's fine.
But just watch it get implemented into war, somehow.
Saturos said:
/fixed. ;)
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Ignorance at it is best?
 
Nanotech isn't wrong. Artificially augmenting the human body beyond natural human specifications, however...that I've got problems with. I'm pretty sure that would go under "biotech" though. That would bring in a "Dark Age Part 2". Imagine a society where you don't really have a choice but to conform to an augmented life. Those unable to work at the enhanced rate, or formulate advances as quickly would become the "witches", the people who are a "bane" to the new, "enhanced" way of life. I don't think the "enhanced" would make the same "mistake" as we did, sharing our global resources with less "advanced" cultures.
 
You know, I can't stand their term of use. "Playing God?" Hell, by having evangelists and popes (leader of a religion is stupid imo) and stuff like that, they are in essence "Playing God" already. Sorry for the reference of Christianity here but that Religion is not the only one. Let this image illustrate my point.

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there is not much diff between them..
 
I could argue against that, but I won't, because I don't want to start another argument.
p.s. I hate the pope.
 
Darkside55 said:
I've come to expect you not to be wrong. It disappoints me when you are. Do not let me down like this again, Sulk.
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It was a trap placed in my post to make sure everyone was reading attentively.

lame-o said:
And Sulkdodds, I'm assuming your point is that in fact, nothing is evil, and that everything can instead just be abused, right? In that case: Killing puppies ain't evil, but it can be abused!
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No, my point is that no particular tool or technology is itself evil. Wait, no, that wasn't even my point: my point was simply to list loads of other tools or technologies that are not themselves evil. Maybe there are: abortion pills are bad if you believe in the sanctity of the feotus, whereas actually nuclear bombs are inherently bad because they have no purpose other than to kill thousands of people, which is not, no matter what anyone says, a morally neutral act. If there are such technologies, however, nanotechnology is probably not one of them.

Killing puppies is an act, so your example doesn't work. Try telling me the knife or the hammer you use to kill the puppies is itself evil.
 
Cool, so in the future I can walk around the US with my nanobot enhanced body and feel superior.
 
Operational said:
Cool, so in the future I can walk around the US with my nanobot enhanced body and feel superior.
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Don't count on it. It would probably be a very expensive procedure reserved for the elitists and government agents who can afford it. Haven't you even ever played Deus Ex before? :D

I'm not lying either when I say cutting-edge technology is for the rich. Take the price of the GeForce 8800Ultra series video cards and 50'LCD monitors for example. :p

Unlike PC computer technology though, the price of nano-augmentation will not drop for a very very long time either once it's first implemented for use by the government. By then, most of us will either be dead, or too old to give a damn about anything other than our next diaper change. But hey, at least we'll have nano-enhanced fabric diapers! :LOL:
 
God didn't say no to nanotechnologies.



Sulkdodds said:
nuclear bombs are inherently bad because they have no purpose other than to kill thousands of people, which is not, no matter what anyone says, a morally neutral act.
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I keep my stockpile of nuclear weapons as a deterrent to the other groups in the world who would choose to kill my thousands of people. It takes years and ****ing years to regenerate them back to healthy population levels... I don't need to be putting up with that shit. So I just say if you **** with me, I **** with you. Mutually assured destruction.

You ready to blow? Well I'm a mushroom-cloud-laying mother****er, mother****er!
 
No, for he was a virgin birth and with virgins as with virgin births, anything is possible :naughty:
 
I would have voted Yes.

I am a strong supporter for the advancement of technology. I just finished a good read by the name of "Mount Dragon" by Douglas Preston & Lincoln Child, that deals with the altering of the human genome to enable humans to never get the flu again by altering human DNA at it's genetic level. Instead they develop a super-virus thats 100% fatal within 60 hours with no cure. Interesting, if far fetched.

Please ignore my following ignorant comment, but I do not believe that religion has ANY business in getting in the way of technology. It's time we moved on from the dark ages that we live in & embrace what tomorrow may hold.

-MRG
 
Cheomesh said:
Nanotech isn't wrong. Artificially augmenting the human body beyond natural human specifications, however...that I've got problems with. I'm pretty sure that would go under "biotech" though. That would bring in a "Dark Age Part 2". Imagine a society where you don't really have a choice but to conform to an augmented life. Those unable to work at the enhanced rate, or formulate advances as quickly would become the "witches", the people who are a "bane" to the new, "enhanced" way of life. I don't think the "enhanced" would make the same "mistake" as we did, sharing our global resources with less "advanced" cultures.
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Thats the most retarded thing ive heard all day. And Im going to sleep now, so congrats on winning the "Most Retarded Thing Krynn Heard All Day" award for Saturday, Febuary 15th. You will automatically be entered as a contestant for the weekly award.
 
pistolero! said:
But 70.5% of the population are also stupid.

"Instinct tells us that the unknown is a threat, rather an opportunity."

Oh Wallace, I miss you so much ;(
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Fortunately, I don't fall into that 70.5% because I'm ed-u-macated. :p

"I jus dropped a new hampster into meh 4x4 pickup truck and me 'n' MarySue went to that thar barn dance and drunk ourselves stupid all night with them pigs. Yee-haaw!"

^Typical European anti-American response #1. :hmph: /facepalm

If Americans are so dumb, then why is America the largest united country in the world? (Not sure if it's the first or second to China though)
STFU. Srsly though.

BTW: Dr. Breen was a brilliant and gifted B***Sh**er. Nothing more.
 
It's not like nanotech can do much. They can only be simple little machines that can deliver certain things to cells and such, Certainly nothing that can think for itself.

Saturos said:
I'm not lying either when I say cutting-edge technology is for the rich. Take the price of the GeForce 8800Ultra series video cards and 50'LCD monitors for example. :p
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That's a horrible example, I know at least 20 bogans (Idiots without a job) with both of those items. Items under $50k anyone can afford fairly quickly. Its people who can regularly afford items above $50K that a rich.
 
Kyorisu said:
That's a horrible example, I know at least 20 bogans (Idiots without a job) with both of those items. Items under $50k anyone can afford fairly quickly. Its people who can regularly afford items above $50K that a rich.
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Good point. Can you think of a better example?

pistolero! said:
Are you serious?
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Let me re-phrase that. One of the largest countries in the world.
 
lame-o said:
In that case: Killing puppies ain't evil, but it can be abused!
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Correct.
Killing puppies is often used by vets investigating an unknown disease, in the end saving far more puppy lives than those lost.

Saturos said:
If Americans are so dumb, then why is America the largest united country in the world? (Not sure if it's the first or second to China though)
STFU. Srsly though.
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That's wonderful irony :afro:
 
Eejit said:
That's wonderful irony :afro:
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Explanation plz? Why are most Americans still dumb in the eyes of many Europeans then? Where's the un-biased, numerical proof that Americans are dumb? Any survey conducted in Europe would be biased. It would have to be a world-wide survey, which probably doesn't exist. :p You guys scream of data and proof, but it seems to me most of you are thinking more emotionally and not analytically when it comes to the anti-American issue. Oh yeah, the irony. :p
 
99.vikram said:
Because America isn't the largest, area wise, population wise or per capita income wise.
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This. And even if it was size has nothing to do with intelligence of the population.

India has a huge population but there's still a huge number of people living in rural villages with only the most basic education. Of course in this case these people may still be potentially very intelligent, but they never get it developed.

I believe Americans can be very smart, but a very large proportion of them don't use their brains much at all.
 
Eejit said:
This. And even if it was size has nothing to do with intelligence of the population.

India has a huge population but there's still a huge number of people living in rural villages with only the most basic education. Of course in this case these people may still be potentially very intelligent, but they never get it developed.

I believe Americans can be very smart, but a very large proportion of them don't use their brains much at all.
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I mean nationalities, not land mass, population, etc. Is Ireland in any way a state to all of Europe? Indeed, India would rank as one of the largest countries in the world too. Not sure about it's State of the Union though. I don't study India much. No desire to really. No offense 99. Vikram. Maybe that's our problem. Many Americans don't really have a desire to learn, not that they are stupid. Not so as to de-rail the thread, I think religious fundamentalists are just too complacent and don't really care about that evil technology.
 
Wait, so now you're saying the USA is biggest in terms of numbers of nationalities present? Got any numbers for that?
I'm pretty sure the UK has a similar number of nationalities present, possibly even more.

fyi Northern Ireland isn't part of Ireland when talking about states, it's part of the UK.
 
Eejit said:
Wait, so now you're saying the USA is biggest in terms of numbers of nationalities present? Got any numbers for that?
I'm pretty sure the UK has a similar number of nationalities present, possibly even more.

fyi Northern Ireland isn't part of Ireland when talking about states, it's part of the UK.
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Hey, I'm a programmer/technician, not a bureaucrat/Geographer.:p I guess I'll quit while I'm ahead. You win Eejit. :p Still, saying that such a large percentage of Americans are dumb is an overestimate imo. Can't you at least cut me some slack and agree to that?
 
Saturos said:
Hey, I'm a programmer/technician, not a beareaucrat/Geographer.:p I guess I'll quit while I'm ahead. You win Eejit. :p Still, saying that such a large percentage of Americans are dumb is an overestimate imo. Can't you at least cut me some slack and agree to that?
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Ok they aren't dumb in general, though a depressingly high number seem to hold certain dumb beliefs (this one for example, a few others to do with science immediately spring to mind). That any better? :)
 
UOTE=Saturos;2555012]There are still many, many other variables involved for these surveys. At least I think so. What about the possibility that some states are more religious than others? The economy, population, etc. of each state? Believe it or not, culture and economy varies quite dramatically from state to state in some cases. How was this survey conducted? Was the 1000 people gathered all in one state? What about race? The White, black, Asian ratio etc? What are the career opportunities like for each state? The list of variables goes on and on. It sounds like it was a poorly conducted survey to me tbh. :p[/QUOTE]

considering it has a +-3% error margin, i say they did it correctly and random.

Krynn72 said:
Arignorance?


I wish I did take a stats class. I heard it was an easy class.



Im sorry but I totally couldnt follow that. What/How do you get a confidence interval? What is the percentage number representing?
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uhh...it depends on the function, don't know the exact formula anymore

but you can read this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confidence_interval
 
Eejit said:
Ok they aren't dumb in general, though a depressingly high number seem to hold certain dumb beliefs (this one for example, a few others to do with science immediately spring to mind). That any better? :)
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Thnx! :) BTW: Jehova's witnesses don't believe in blood transfusions because they believe in the sanctity of blood. This is a silly notion to me, and I'm a Christian even. I feel the same way about stem cell research and nano-technology (as in, I don't oppose it of course). There are beliefs out there far more absurd than what Christians hold that can obstruct science if this means anything.
 
Eejit said:
Wait, so now you're saying the USA is biggest in terms of numbers of nationalities present?
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If he is then I'd hope he realises that means nothing. I'm of a firm belief that everyone can get along so having more nationalities in one location is more the result of chance than anything else.

It's not that Americans are dumb it's just your leaders do dumb things.
 
That's what the guys at CERN are doing. They'll be ready soon.
 
Man, I'd kill for a job at CERN, even if it was something as demeaning as having to go down the entire length of the collider with a rag and some polish and had to clean it all by hand.

-Angry Lawyer
 
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