US soldier gets death penalty

no it's new, kinda sad we are in a war so senseless that it has torn apart our own troops. killing each OTHER just because of religious beliefs.
 
The article does not give enough explenation, on one had it says that akbar wanted to destroy the US since the 90s, but it also says that he said that the soldiers where racists and that no testimoney's was heard about that, but it doesn't say why, did the judge not find ample reason or was it covered up.
In any case, since I'm against the deathpenalty, I believe he should have gotten the lifesentance.
 
Woo, Yah!! Party at my house to celebrate this.
 
before I even entered this thread I knew it had to be the case of the soldier who killed a fellow soldier ...god forbid any soldier get the death penalty for murdering iraqis.

any way you slice it, it was a tragedy. I dont necessarily think he should be put to death but he should pay for his crimes.
 
CptStern said:
before I even entered this thread I knew it had to be the case of the soldier who killed a fellow soldier ...god forbid any soldier get the death penalty for murdering iraqis.

any way you slice it, it was a tragedy. I dont necessarily think he should be put to death but he should pay for his crimes.
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Wow, you really don't understand what happened. Or you just have a very twisted look on all this.
 
heh I dont think I've ever been accused of not understanding something ...what's to understand? there's no justification that will ever convince me the death penalty is warrented ..so dont bother trying
 
I agree with CptStern. Nothing warrents the use of a death penalty but he should be punished.
 
I agree, our death penalty system does need some reforming, but why are we going to pay so this guy can live? So he can suffer me? That seems pretty inhumane to me.
 
suffer? the suffering is taking away his freedom ...I'm not advocating torture here
 
Grey Fox said:
The article does not give enough explenation, on one had it says that akbar wanted to destroy the US since the 90s, but it also says that he said that the soldiers where racists and that no testimoney's was heard about that, but it doesn't say why, did the judge not find ample reason or was it covered up.
In any case, since I'm against the deathpenalty, I believe he should have gotten the lifesentance.
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yeah that article is sh*t tbh, i heard on the news tbh but needed to provide a link incase people were like 'huh?' 'what soldier', it was the 1st i could find. heres another.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=714019
 
CptStern said:
suffer? the suffering is taking away his freedom ...I'm not advocating torture here
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You don't think being in jail is torture? It would be a military prison too which is even worst.
 
I don't agree with the death penalty, but I do think this man should be punished for what he did.
 
Foxtrot said:
You don't think being in jail is torture? It would be a military prison too which is even worst.
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yet filling him with a lethal mix of chemicals is a better solution? Hey lets spare the criminal a life of hardship by killing him ...ya that makes a lot of sense


I'd like to hear why you think the death penalty is justified here
 
Absinthe said:
I don't agree with the death penalty, but I do think this man should be punished for what he did.
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Punished how? Time out? 5 minutes in the corner?

CptStern said:
yet filling him with a lethal mix of chemicals is a better solution? Hey lets spare the criminal a life of hardship by killing him ...ya that makes a lot of sense


I'd like to hear why you think the death penalty is justified here
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We aren't sparing him anything, we are sparing ourselves by not having to suffer with his existance anymore, we should NOT have to pay for this guy to keep living.
 
Foxtrot said:
Punished how? Time out? 5 minutes in the corner?
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Oh yeah, because I definitely said that. :rolleyes:

Spending the rest of his life in prison suits me fine.

(Did you know that the death penalty costs more than prison? If you're so concerned about where your tax dollars are going, maybe you should look into that.)
 
Absinthe said:
Oh yeah, because I definitely said that. :rolleyes:

Spending the rest of his life in prison suits me fine.
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It suits you fine because you aren't paying for him to live :p
 
I've only ever supported the death penalty as a cheaper alternative, because I believe that life sentences should be just that, but all too often on my little island they're pathetic one-and-a-half decade copouts.

Of course, since the 1950s the death penalty no longer involves a rope and a handful of government employees, it involves lengthy appeal processes and all the other trappings of a more enlightened period. And thus it's stupidly expensive- and not to mention no longer practised in the UK.

So, to keep this man out of the loop, we'd pour money on him for the rest of his life to feed him and shelter him- albeit in a complete hellhole. But instead, in this case, they're going to set aside even more money to kill him. Can't say that I see their logic.

Unless the Military still secretly utilises firing squads or something. But the man does need punished.
 
Foxtrot said:
Punished how? Time out? 5 minutes in the corner?


We aren't sparing him anything, we are sparing ourselves by not having to suffer with his existance anymore, we should NOT have to pay for this guy to keep living.
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so now he's an inconvience? Sparing yourself? who the hell are you to have a right to decide this persons life? The victems of the family cant make that judgement why should you? You have as much say in this case as a sheep herder in the island of crete.

I find it harder and harder to understand the huge discrepancies in ideological thought processes that conservatives go through. On the one hand the blindly and unquestioningly support american troops ..even when they're guilty of the most heinious of crimes against foreigners ....but as soon as the victem involved in the crime is american you scream for his bloody head

it's like a religious conservative that owns a gun and believes in the death penalty ..it's hypocrisy personified
 
So do I get away with my rampant disregard for human life because I'm a nihilistic bastard?

If there's one thing the justice system needs, it's consistency- and no special exceptions for soldiers. I'm still riled up about the month here in England when a pair of teenage murderers got less than 4 years between them, and yet a 12 year old got life (in prison and therapy) for raping his tutor.

Bluntly, if you kill someone- a fellow soldier or a civillian- without good reason, you need to pay equally.
 
CptStern said:
so now he's an inconvience? Sparing yourself? who the hell are you to have a right to decide this persons life? The victems of the family cant make that judgement why should you? You have as much say in this case as a sheep herder in the island of crete.

I find it harder and harder to understand the huge discrepancies in ideological thought processes that conservatives go through. On the one hand the blindly and unquestioningly support american troops ..even when they're guilty of the most heinious of crimes against foreigners ....but as soon as the victem involved in the crime is american you scream for his bloody head

it's like a religious conservative that owns a gun and believes in the death penalty ..it's hypocrisy personified
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The farmer in Crete isn't paying for this guy to live though.
 
Foxtrot, maybe this is a mentality you can empathize with:

The process required to give the death penalty is more expensive than life imprisonment.

A dead person cannot suffer for their crimes, but a living person can.

Therefore, seeing as how the death penalty is more expensive and doesn't exact as cruel a punishment as spending the rest of your life in Hell, you should be for life imprisonment!
 
Absinthe said:
Seeing as how the death penalty is more expensive and doesn't exact as cruel a punishment as spending the rest of your life in Hell, you should be for life imprisonment!
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I completely agree.
I'm so sick of people who think that prison is cake. a life imprisonment is as good as death. it is dangerous in prison, the things in the movies barely TOUCH on teh horrible things that happen. you are a muslim who killed your fellow soldiers? wait till you are in the lunchline and a former army man steps in , or a racist who hates muslims and shoves a sharpened spoon between your ribs. prison is dangerous and miserable, look at michael ross (hes up to be killed, his own wish is that it not be postponed because of how horrible prison life is, he sees death as an escape, not to mention he has been assaulted by other inmates MULTIPLE times, and has tried to escape via suicide multiple times) he is living proof that life in prison is worse than death.
 
Foxtrot said:
We aren't sparing him anything, we are sparing ourselves by not having to suffer with his existance anymore, we should NOT have to pay for this guy to keep living.
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You have to pay for all sorts of criminals, theives, drug addicts, vandals, etc. Where do you draw the line?

There must be another reason, one that makes you single out one group of criminals over another.

Why not advocate the cheapest option, let the cop decide? If a cop thinks you're guilty he can choose to let you go, if its a minor offence, or just shoot you in the head. His discretion.
 
Absinthe said:
Foxtrot, maybe this is a mentality you can empathize with:

The process required to give the death penalty is more expensive than life imprisonment.

A dead person cannot suffer for their crimes, but a living person can.

Therefore, seeing as how the death penalty is more expensive and doesn't exact as cruel a punishment as spending the rest of your life in Hell, you should be for life imprisonment!
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I know it is more expensive, and that is why I said our system needs to be reformed.

PickledGecko said:
You have to pay for all sorts of criminals, theives, drug addicts, vandals, etc. Where do you draw the line?

There must be another reason, one that makes you single out one group of criminals over another.

Why not advocate the cheapest option, let the cop decide? If a cop thinks you're guilty he can choose to let you go, if its a minor offence, or just shoot you in the head. His discretion.
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Some people can be rehabilitated, others can not. Some people do crimes that warrant no rehabilitation. I think we should have the 3 strikes program, but when you hit 3 you die in the cheapest way possible. All premeditated murderes will be punished by death too.
 
Foxtrot said:
The farmer in Crete isn't paying for this guy to live though.
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and you are? scan the receipts and post them here
 
Absinthe said:
Oh yeah, because I definitely said that. :rolleyes:

Spending the rest of his life in prison suits me fine.

(Did you know that the death penalty costs more than prison? If you're so concerned about where your tax dollars are going, maybe you should look into that.)
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wheres your proof on that?
 
Ok, I will scan them tonight when I am not playing WoW :p
 
the best advocate for anti-captial punishment is Jeffery Dahmer ...a lethal injection was far more humane than what he eventually recieved ..a fatal beating at the hands of an inmate ...I'm sure the parents of the victem of Jeffery were far more satisfied with that outcome than had he been put to death by the state
 
CptStern said:
the best advocate for anti-captial punishment is Jeffery Dahmer ...a lethal injection was far more humane than what he eventually recieved ..a fatal beating at the hands of an inmate ...I'm sure the parents of the victem of Jeffery were far more satisfied with that outcome than had he been put to death by the state
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then maybe heartless murderers should get tortured to death. with simple weapons, that wont cost nothing.

but the only trouble is with the death penalty.. what if the person is innocent :/
 
KoreBolteR said:
wheres your proof on that?
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* One of the most comprehensive studies on the death penalty in the country found the death penalty to cost North Carolina $2.16 million per execution over the costs of a non-death penalty murder case with a sentence of imprisonment for life.
* On a national basis, this translates to an extra cost of over $1 billion dollars since 1976.
* In Texas, a death penalty case costs an average of $2.3 million, which is about three times the cost of imprisoning someone in a single cell with the highest level of security for forty years.
* A 1998 report from the Nebraska Judiciary Committee states that any savings from executing an inmate are outweighed by the financial legal costs. The report concluded that the current death penalty law does not serve the best interest of Nebraskans.
* The Judicial Conference of the United States reported that the defense costs in cases where death was sought were about four times higher than in comparable cases where death was not sought. It was also found that the prosecution costs in death cases were 67% higher than the defense costs, without even including the investigative costs provided by law enforcement agencies.


since not every state has death penalty, and individual cases vary, it is difficult to find solid facts. suffice to say, the costs are about the same, but again it varys per case, the info i put up there sways towards life imprisonment being cheaper, but again its only for a few states. this is hard to debate on a national level.

KoreBolteR said:
but the only trouble is with the death penalty.. what if the person is innocent :/
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23 innocent people have been executed since 1900. that is 23 too many. About 100 more have been spared because they were innocent they were releaseed before their death penalty.
 
kmack said:
* One of the most comprehensive studies on the death penalty in the country found the death penalty to cost North Carolina $2.16 million per execution over the costs of a non-death penalty murder case with a sentence of imprisonment for life.
* On a national basis, this translates to an extra cost of over $1 billion dollars since 1976.
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How the Feck do they cost $2.16 million on one execution?!?! omfg!

get a gun one bullet thru the head, now cmon, how much money would that save!

kmack said:
23 innocent people have been executed since 1900. that is 23 too many. About 100 more have been spared because they were innocent they were releaseed before their death penalty.
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i would have thought there would have been about 230 innocent executions, but not 23.. its still bad, but 23 is lower than i expected.

like i said if there was around 100% proof that the person did commit the terrible crime, then shoot them.
 
kmack said:
23 innocent people have been executed since 1900. that is 23 too many. About 100 more have been spared because they were innocent they were releaseed before their death penalty.
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And all those people were convicted before DNA evidence was used IIRC.
 
kmack said:
the federal trial. lawyers etc.
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we need to sort this out. what can we possibly do too lower this monsterous figure of money for one execution..?? :|
 
KoreBolteR said:
we need to sort this out. what can we possibly do too lower this monsterous figure of money for one execution..?? :|
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nothing im afraid.
 
KoreBolteR said:
we need to sort this out. what can we possibly do too lower this monsterous figure of money for one execution..?? :|
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A lot of the money is in the trial, I am sure they could sort it out and my trials more effective. We could also cut costs by killing the person by just not giving them any water. After that we could sell their organs and blood and anything else to make up for the money spent.
 
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