US soldier gets death penalty

[CptStern]

so a good majority of people who like country music are cowboys who sleep with their cousins?

 

[Foxtrot]

so a good majority of people who like country music are cowboys who sleep with their cousins?

No, I didn't say a good majority of people who listen to rap are gangbangers.

 

[Absinthe]

didnt i just ask you to stick to the topic and stop derailing the thread. kthx

back to the topic again before i was provoked - would a murderer living in a non execution state, but murdering a texas citizen get death? or life in prison? if you get me... lol

How about, no. You seem ready enough to derail as well. When you judge the quality of my posts and wrongfully accuse me of something, no quick pre-emptive and "ok now back to topic k pls thx" is going to stop me from commenting.

And yes, I realize that is a product of my stubborness. Frankly, I don't care.

 

[Korgoth]

so a good majority of people who like country music are cowboys who sleep with their cousins?

yes...

 

[Zeus]

I like the rap music, well only really the good songs like "In da club" or anything by tupac. I don't really see the rappers as good role models for children, especially when some little black kid can go up and demand people "run they pockets" or they will have to bust a cap because he thinks it's what 50 cent does. In reality 50 cent sits around in his mansion all day getting drunk watching TV, but in his raps he talks like he's a cold hearted-killa who wouldn't think twice about taking your life for 10 bucks.

 

[r2000]

Its too bad that scumbag wasn't strung up and disemboweled. NO solidier has the right to kill his fellow solidiers. If the men around him were racists, he should have reported them to the JAG. The fact is, he premeditated his decision. He killed in cold-blood. He should just be glad, someone didn't shoot him on site.
OUr law system works so that when you infringe on the rights of others, you lose yours. This man took away every right a man has, by killing. He comitted an act of treason also. He deserves to lose his rights. Either put him in a dark cell for life, or kill him.

 

[Kebean PFC]

This man should face the death penalty. What i don't understand is why is costs more to kill him.

$500 handgun and a $15 box of ammo. What is the problem with doing it this way? A friend of mine said that it was hard on the morality of people, but with the new robotics we have, i find it hard to beleive that they cannot put a 9mm hole in a 14mm circle at 20yds. I mean, hell, with a small bit of human guidance they can assemble a car, why can we not preset the machine and line the the criminals heads up.

 

[kirovman]

This man should face the death penalty. What i don't understand is why is costs more to kill him.

$500 handgun and a $15 box of ammo. What is the problem with doing it this way? A friend of mine said that it was hard on the morality of people, but with the new robotics we have, i find it hard to beleive that they cannot put a 9mm hole in a 14mm circle at 20yds. I mean, hell, with a small bit of human guidance they can assemble a car, why can we not preset the machine and line the the criminals heads up.

In China they excute people with a bullet to the back of the head.

They then send the bullet to the family, with the bill for the execution.
Want the USA to follow by example?

 

[Pesmerga]

What is wrong with starving someone to death? Oh that is right, we have to kill the mass murderer in a nice and godly manner.

Of course, we wouldn't want anyone who actually deserves to be punished be starved to death...*Cough* Terri Scheivo *Cough*

 

[Foxtrot]

Of course, we wouldn't want anyone who actually deserves to be punished be starved to death...*Cough* Terri Scheivo *Cough*

Because Shiavo could obviously feel that.

 

[Absinthe]

Of course, we wouldn't want anyone who actually deserves to be punished be starved to death...*Cough* Terri Scheivo *Cough*

I suggest you do a forum search on the topic of Terri Schiavo. It would do you some good to read through the threads.

 

[MikeL15]

Of course shooting someone would be alot cheaper than the other ways the death penalty is handled. But, if you think stuff like that, then Im glad my life isnt in your hands.

And shooting someone leaves a big mess to clean up and if you shoot them in the head then basically, it will be a closed casket funeral. If they even have a funeral.
Also, the government would consider shooting, hanging, starving, etc of a person sentanced to life inhumane.

I understand if you are trying to be funny, but if you are being serious, you need to think this over a bit more. And that actually requires you to use your brain first.

 

[Foxtrot]

Of course shooting someone would be alot cheaper than the other ways the death penalty is handled. But, if you think stuff like that, then Im glad my life isnt in your hands.

And shooting someone leaves a big mess to clean up and if you shoot them in the head then basically, it will be a closed casket funeral. If they even have a funeral.
Also, the government would consider shooting, hanging, starving, etc of a person sentanced to life inhumane.

I understand if you are trying to be funny, but if you are being serious, you need to think this over a bit more. And that actually requires you to use your brain first.

I think it is you who needs to use their brain, stop looking at this from a religious stand point or whatever you are now and try to think about it practically. Is it practical to spend this much money to kill someone?

 

[Absinthe]

I think it is you who needs to use their brain, stop looking at this from a religious stand point or whatever you are now and try to think about it practically. Is it practical to spend this much money to kill someone?

You said so yourself that most of this money is put into the trials.

Considering a man's life is on the line, I would hope that the system does more than flip a dime and call heads/tails.

 

[Foxtrot]

You said so yourself that most of this money is put into the trials.

Considering a man's life is on the line, I would hope that the system does more than flip a dime and call heads/tails.

I think the whole system should be reformed though, we could save a lot of money in a lot of places if we tried.

 

[kmack]

I think the whole system should be reformed though, we could save a lot of money in a lot of places if we tried.

hahahaha, and how would that be? make the lawyers cheaper? sorry, a process like this is going to get MORE expensive before it gets LESS expensive.

 

[kirovman]

hahahaha, and how would that be? make the lawyers cheaper? sorry, a process like this is going to get MORE expensive before it gets LESS expensive.

You could always do away with the legal process, and allow people to be executed without trial.

We might end up there anyway, the way things are going

 

[Cole]

The death penalty sucks. I want full out torture! I want hot stakes burned into people then leave them alone for a week.

I want to go into a cell take a knife and cut a square inch of skin out of that bastard and come back and do it again the next week.

I want to mix all his drinks with piss

I want to send a craze insane person that would start biting the shit out of the bad guy.

I want to cut his eyes every week and let him feel the stinging pain.

I want no one to stop his bleeding, to help him, or to feed him half decent food. I want crap food in a dish for him!


Anyway thats just me...

 

[Kebean PFC]

In China they excute people with a bullet to the back of the head.

They then send the bullet to the family, with the bill for the execution.
Want the USA to follow by example?

Yes, with a few tweaks. You don't send the bullet or bill to the family. I don't see why we have to pay big $$ to kill a criminal. Why can we not just shoot them? Yes it leaves a mess to clean up, nothing a mop can't handle. Yes, it is unsightly, but you know what, once you stick him in the ground (or cremate him) it really doesn't matter does it?

Originally Posted by MikeL15
person sentanced to life inhumane...it will be a closed casket funeral. If they even have a funeral.

Why is shooting someone inhumane? If you shoot them in the head it will be just as painless as injecting him with all sorts of drugs. Do you think the family would care if it was a closed casket funeral? Hell, most criminal families couldn't even afford a funeral.

The legal system does need to be reformed. I don't know how, but it needs to happen. Criminals should fear punishment so much that it will dissuede them from crime.

 

[kirovman]

Yes, with a few tweaks. You don't send the bullet or bill to the family. I don't see why we have to pay big $$ to kill a criminal. Why can we not just shoot them? Yes it leaves a mess to clean up, nothing a mop can't handle. Yes, it is unsightly, but you know what, once you stick him in the ground (or cremate him) it really doesn't matter does it?


Why is shooting someone inhumane? If you shoot them in the head it will be just as painless as injecting him with all sorts of drugs. Do you think the family would care if it was a closed casket funeral? Hell, most criminal families couldn't even afford a funeral.

The legal system does need to be reformed. I don't know how, but it needs to happen. Criminals should fear punishment so much that it will dissuede them from crime.

Hmm, but in this day and age we should really consider ourselves above the level of the criminal.

How do you know shooting someone in the head is quick and painless? Part of the brain can still survive a bullet shot. And if you botch it, you need to shoot them again, and again. By contrast, the lethal injection is supposed to anathestize the condemned man, before stopping his heart.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_the_United_States

Various methods have been used in the history of the American colonies and the United States but only five methods are currently used. Historically, burning, pressing, gibbeting or hanging in chains, breaking on wheel and bludgeoning were used for a small number of executions while hanging was the most common method. Currently lethal injection is the method used or allowed in 37 of the 38 states which allow the death penalty and by the federal government. Nebraska requires electrocution. Other states also allow electrocution, gas chambers, hanging and the firing squad.

Also an interesting article on the lethal injection by some Medical doctor.
http://www.nhcadp.org/a_federal_killing.htm

 

[PickledGecko]

I don't see why we have to pay big $$ to kill a criminal. Why can we not just shoot them?

Its not the method of killing that costs money, its the number of appeals and the cost of paying a public defender during the lengthy trials that cost all that money. The only way to remove cost is to remove layers within the process that are put there to ensure the person is guilty, so as to minimise the number of innocent people that are effectively murdered by the state.

The legal system does need to be reformed. I don't know how, but it needs to happen. Criminals should fear punishment so much that it will dissuede them from crime.

Do you think anyone out there considers murder and thinks, "Well, I'll only get life in prison for this, why the hell not"? I don't believe anybody would decide not to go through with a murder just because there is a death penalty. If someone decides to kill with the threat of life in prison, they obviously believe they will get away with it. Why would a death penalty make any difference to the number of murders?

Would it not be a better system to allow the death penalty if the defendant is found guilty in the first trial, then once again after his automatic appeal. If he then lodges another apeal and is granted one, from that point on, the highest punnishment he can be given is life in prison. That would ensure those that are so obviously guilty that there is no call for further appeals after his first are killed, and those where there is enough doubt to prolong the process to the highest courts can be punnished. But still remain alive for a later release if new evidence is found.

 

[Lobotomy Lobster]

Do you think anyone out there considers murder and thinks, "Well, I'll only get life in prison for this, why the hell not"? I don't believe anybody would decide not to go through with a murder just because there is a death penalty. If someone decides to kill with the threat of life in prison, they obviously believe they will get away with it. Why would a death penalty make any difference to the number of murders?

Would it not be a better system to allow the death penalty if the defendant is found guilty in the first trial, then once again after his automatic appeal. If he then lodges another apeal and is granted one, from that point on, the highest punnishment he can be given is life in prison. That would ensure those that are so obviously guilty that there is no call for further appeals after his first are killed, and those where there is enough doubt to prolong the process to the highest courts can be punnished. But still remain alive for a later release if new evidence is found.

I have to agree. The dealth penalty has never been an effective deterrent to crime. If it was, then law would be simple; every crime would have the death penalty and very few people would commit any crimes at all.

Hmm, but in this day and age we should really consider ourselves above the level of the criminal.

I agree again. The death penalty is little more than murder with more paperwork.
The process of law and justice is to attempt to make the criminal repay their dues to society and fix the damage they caused, or if that is not possible, to humanely keep them away from society. Personally, I don't know of any humane way to kill someone aside from euthanisa, which is a completly different issue.