V for Vendetta

I found the ending in the movie more powerful than the ending in the comic though.
 
Hmm. I'd say I found them about the same, because the film didn't really have the whole 'will it work? what happens now?' thing - or if it did, I didn't notice it. D:
 
Well the film just leaves off at that point. It doesn't ask the question, but it doesn't fade to black and say "and everyone lived happily ever-after." So you can think of it however you'd like.

As far as it saying stuff like "CONSERVATIVES SUCK" etc, thats more of something people put in it by themselves.
 
It's not even really saying "conservatives suck." Sutler starts out in the Conservative party, but makes his own, Norsefire. I think its more of a "far right-wing/neoconservatives suck" then actual average conservatives. A lot of Libertarian and conservative sites have been applauding the film, believe it or not. Moore wrote the comic during Thatcher's administration in Britain which I understand he didn't agree with.
 
Just got back from seeing it, and I went in not knowing what the movie was about or anything. Since I've never heard of it, I was about to pass it off as rubbish. But to my suprise, the movie ruled. And Portman was purty hot..well, until her head got shaved.

All in all, great movie. 10/10. I'll definately be rewatching it sometime.
 
Why did they kill Sutler?

And what is happening to rest of other countries?

I know that America was having their 2nd civil war.
 
They never elaborate too much, but it looks like there was some type of biological and/or nuclear holocaust.

And V wanted Sutler dead because he was responsible, and the other guy wanted to be the leader and to kill V.
 
Finally got round to seeing it, and it was very good. Stuck to the novel relatively well, asks some interesting questions, and (spoilers):





V totally pwns those soldiers at the end
 
The movie was anti-government, not any specific group. Anarchy knows no party.

Good to see a rightest movie come out of hollywood, 'specially an anarchistic one (not that I'm an anarchist, but it seems underrepresented).
 
BaconIsGood4You said:
The movie was anti-government, not any specific group. Anarchy knows no party.

Good to see a rightest movie come out of hollywood, 'specially an anarchistic one (not that I'm an anarchist, but it seems underrepresented).
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Ya think? Personally, I see every movie that has the lone hero rebelling against the rules, willing to get what he wants NO MATTER THE COST as kind of anarchist, at least a little anyway. I have abolutely no problem with that though.
 
I hope you all understand anarchy isn't just "complete chaos and reckless abandon." It's the belief that you don't need a government to remain in order.
 
This movie is one of the best movies ever imo. It could have been a bit better edited, some parts were a bit spoonfed. But the dialog owned, as did the acting imo. It's right up there just below fight club, the matrix and lord of the rings.

4/5.
 
DeusExMachina said:
I hope you all understand anarchy isn't just "complete chaos and reckless abandon." It's the belief that you don't need a government to remain in order.
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Yes, I know. I wish it would work, actually. Authors like Robert Heinlein always make it seem so fun. Unfortunately, people just aren't good enough to make it work perfectly. Much like they aren't good enough to make communism, socialism, capitalism, etc work either...
 
DeusExMachina said:
I hope you all understand anarchy isn't just "complete chaos and reckless abandon." It's the belief that you don't need a government to remain in order.
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The result is complete chaos and reckless abandon.
Humans are animals with "functional" brains. Remove authority and you have a recipe for disaster.
 
I've never read the novels but i enjoyed the movie very much.
Movie?Very Good.Characters?So-So(i expected to see more of William Hurts character to be honest)Portman's performance?Good performance but a shitty english accent.Hugo Weaving as V?WOW!What a great performance of a great character.Man,what a controlled and powerful voice he has.
It really stands out in this movie.It's like a character of it's own.
Even though he's the star of this movie (not mention the lotr and matrix series),ppl will still go wonder who "Hugo Weaving" is.It's a real shame.
 
MiccyNarc said:
The result is complete chaos and reckless abandon.
Humans are animals with "functional" brains. Remove authority and you have a recipe for disaster.
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Of course. Humans can't grasp freedom. They need something to keep them in line.
 
I just saw this movie. Holy shit. It's up there with the origional Matrix. I love movies with political themes and shit blowing up.
 
DeusExMachina said:
Of course. Humans can't grasp freedom. They need something to keep them in line.
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Well, as I see it, the problem is that maybe they could, but not with our current social paradigms and unfortunately we have no way of thinking outside them or distancing our theorising from them. :(
 
I heard V for Vendetta was O for "Orange-Lemons"
 
OvA said:
I just saw this movie. Holy shit. It's up there with the origional Matrix. I love movies with political themes and shit blowing up.
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me aswell :imu:
 
Very enjoyable film, the exaggerated accents made me laugh, as Hollywood still seem to think we all talk like this;

Ye Olde London Bloke said:
"GAW BLIMEY GUV' THERES A BLOODY BLOKE WITH A MASK ON! BASH HIS NOGGIN!"
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:D

Awesome watch though, you can really see how the fight scenes had been inspired by
the likes of Equilibrium and The Matrix, was all choreographed very well!
 
Sulkdodds said:
Well, as I see it, the problem is that maybe they could, but not with our current social paradigms and unfortunately we have no way of thinking outside them or distancing our theorising from them. :(
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'could' =/= can

Get back in line, citizen.


*Gets tanks and ATT's to crush protesters and strikers, the evil anarchists.*
 
the movie was good except for two parts:
1.) Blow up buildings and fireworks occur
2.) He wear bullet proof armor and takes full clips from like 7 different guns, then is still standing and proceeds to kill them all before even 1 of them can reload.

I've never been shot while wearing bullet proof vests, but i'd imagine that it hurts a lot, and proably could even break ribs.
 
xcellerate said:
the movie was good except for two parts:
1.) Blow up buildings and fireworks occur
2.) He wear bullet proof armor and takes full clips from like 7 different guns, then is still standing and proceeds to kill them all before even 1 of them can reload.

I've never been shot while wearing bullet proof vests, but i'd imagine that it hurts a lot, and proably could even break ribs.
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Its a movie, not reality.
 
My friend wanted to go see this, but his friend, who happens to be a die-hard Republican Christian called it a "pro-terrorist" movie. :/
 
Pulse said:
Very enjoyable film, the exaggerated accents made me laugh, as Hollywood still seem to think we all talk like this;

:D

Awesome watch though, you can really see how the fight scenes had been inspired by
the likes of Equilibrium and The Matrix, was all choreographed very well!
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Most of the dialogue was taken from the comic which was written by a British man.
 
xcellerate said:
the movie was good except for two parts:
1.) Blow up buildings and fireworks occur
2.) He wear bullet proof armor and takes full clips from like 7 different guns, then is still standing and proceeds to kill them all before even 1 of them can reload.

I've never been shot while wearing bullet proof vests, but i'd imagine that it hurts a lot, and proably could even break ribs.
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Thats just the reason he died afterwards. Notice how there was holes and blood splatters on the plate when he took it off? Any normal person would have been killed by the impact of the bullets. Although, remember at Larkhill the one female doctor talked about him being resistant to pain? He had some minor super-human abilities.
 
Da-Muffin-Man said:
Thats just the reason he died afterwards. Notice how there was holes and blood splatters on the plate when he took it off? Any normal person would have been killed by the impact of the bullets. Although, remember at Larkhill the one female doctor talked about him being resistant to pain? He had some minor super-human abilities.
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I don't care if he can't feel, let say those weapons held 25 bullets (i really have no idea), 25x8=200 bullets. Let's say they were 9mm:

7.5 g (115 gr) Full Metal Jacket: 390 m/s (1280 ft/s)

Plus no bullets hit his forearms or biceps, or his neck, or his head, or his legs. I mean, it was just bad writing, there's no way around it. No living person can stand there and takes 200 rounds to the chest, Kevlar or not, much less take them and then proceed to kill 8 guys.

I mean, yea, a few did hit like his shoulders, but no bullets hit his muscle or nerves, thus preventing him from flipping guys over. I liked the movie, but this scene just about ruins it for me. No self respecting man can sit down and think, "wow, it would just be like so cool if he took 200 rounds to the upper torso and then kill the guys who shot them!" and then write it, sell it, direct it, edit it, print it, and then actually show it to people. That's just dumb.
 
eh...its the future, advanced polymers + super pain resistance and all that crap. I dunno. The point is it killed him.

Hell i don't even think he was wearing armor in the comic, although I don't think he got hit by that many bullets either.
 
Wasn't it a big old-style armoured chestpiece? Like from a suit of armour or something?

I felt the whole thing seemed kinda fairy-taley anyway, so it was like 'so what if in real life he'd get killed. Ideas are bulletproof!'
 
Yeah, it wasn't actually a bullet proof vest. It was a big freaking piece of metal armor.
 
xcellerate said:
I don't care if he can't feel, let say those weapons held 25 bullets (i really have no idea), 25x8=200 bullets. Let's say they were 9mm:

7.5 g (115 gr) Full Metal Jacket: 390 m/s (1280 ft/s)

Plus no bullets hit his forearms or biceps, or his neck, or his head, or his legs. I mean, it was just bad writing, there's no way around it. No living person can stand there and takes 200 rounds to the chest, Kevlar or not, much less take them and then proceed to kill 8 guys.

I mean, yea, a few did hit like his shoulders, but no bullets hit his muscle or nerves, thus preventing him from flipping guys over. I liked the movie, but this scene just about ruins it for me. No self respecting man can sit down and think, "wow, it would just be like so cool if he took 200 rounds to the upper torso and then kill the guys who shot them!" and then write it, sell it, direct it, edit it, print it, and then actually show it to people. That's just dumb.
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They had pistols, no way they would hold 25 rounds each. Max 15, more likely 10.
 
xcellerate said:
Plus no bullets hit his forearms or biceps, or his neck, or his head, or his legs.
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His mask was metal also. Did you notice the marks on his mask after they were done shooting? He probably had plating just about everywhere else too, the chestpiece seemed to be from that suit of armor he practiced on.

Glo-Boy said:
They had pistols, no way they would hold 25 rounds each. Max 15, more likely 10.
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I dont remember exactly, but it looked like they were using Glocks. Assuming what xcellerate said (they are 9mm) there's a possibility of 18 rounds each (17 in mag, 1 in chamber), but like i said before, no normal person could survive that. This movie isn't based on reality, its based on a comic.
 
I'm pretty sure it was supposed to symbolize the "ideas are bulletproof" deal. Even if he were to die, "V" would essentially live on. An idea doesn't need flesh and bone to continue on.
 
DeusExMachina said:
I'm pretty sure it was supposed to symbolize the "ideas are bulletproof" deal. Even if he were to die, "V" would essentially live on. An idea doesn't need flesh and bone to continue on.
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Yeah i was sorta thinkin the same thing. Although he died, his idea carried on and became a reality.
 
Just saw it and I must say, having not read the comic, I found it to be extremely heavy-handed, but terribly entertaining as well. You couldn't set something like this in the US though, even though the British setting alludes heavily to the US anyway, but imagine a movie where at the end Dubya gets assassinated and the Capitol buidling blown to smithereens??? Never happen.

I love many of the themes in the film though: governments use fear to force people into giving up their civil liberties voluntarily, governments and the media are full of sh1t, ideas are bulletproof ("You can rearrange my face but you can't rearrange my mind. You can beat this shell about me, but you can't touch what's inside."<--Propagandhi). All of these things need to be considered if we as citizens of governments are ever going to be free of the oppression and tyranny that seem to be encroaching on us as each day of war and terror passes....
 
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