Valve does not owe you anything

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This is more to the whiners out there

1. Valve does not owe you anything.
Valve is an independent game company. It is not obliged to write games for you and does not owe you any explanation. Nor do you have any rights to demand anything from them. Nowhere in their business clause did they state that, "We, the people at valve, hereby swear with our blood and soul, that we will write games for you and be your faithful slave for all eternity". They are doing something that they (hopefully)love, make some money in the process, and benefits us at the end.

2. The game is not yours.
It's the property of the hl2 team that work for valve. Hence they have all the right to tweak it, polish it, (and push back the release date) all they want; until they are satisfied and can be proud of it. This is actually a good thing. I'm sure all of you would not want hl2 to end up like "enter the matrix" or some other hyped crappy game that was rushed through development just to make it in time for the holidays.

3. A beta leak is normal.
Yes, a beta leak is normal, a source code leak is not. Valve is probably not too concern about the game but rather, the engine (and their network environment). It's all about damage control of intellectual property. i.e. the source engine. Who actually cares about the game anyway. It's always, "the graphics look so beautiful", blah blah blah, "the lighting is so realistic", blah blah blah. Even if hl2 is renamed "TalesofGrandma", it'll still be the same comments. So go on, download a working build of the game, instead of the source code.

4. Valve is not even listening to you.
The hl2 team consist of not only programmers but animators, sound artists, writers, marketing personel, system administrators, and... lawyers. If your comments/ideas are so extraordinary and valuable, you'll be working for them (or the goverment) instead of flaming in the forums. Nor will they ever listen to you unless they want their company to collaspe. Notice that this point is actually of no concern to those who post their ideas/views peacefully.

5. It's not valve's fault.
It's their fault that they didn't maintain security over their network. It's not their fault that someone stole their code+build. So stop writing that they deserve it. This brings us back to point 1. Valve does not owe you anything.

6. English is not my native language.
Pardon all the bad grammer, use of tenses and bad sentence structure.
 
Without us there would be no valve.
If hl1 got horrible sales, no one buyed any of their games, they wouldn't be where they were today.
 
Balls they lied, there's not one shred of evidence to suggest it, you weirdoes with your insane conspiracy theories need to get out more. You really do.

As for 'without us there would be no Valve' well this is true to an extent, but we're here because of the original fine fine game. I'm pretty sure almost no one here hasn't played HL1.
 
ur wrong valve does owe us games, because if they made no games for us how would they get their money? exactly, no games= no valve
 
8. All videogames companies lie.
9. Most people lie when they can get away with it.
10. Human beings are not perfect.
 
my god some people are thick

I agree most people on these boards dont deserve the game at all. They are akk sellfish little people with nothing beter to do than insult the people who are developing a kick ass game for them.
 
Well, it doesn't mean Valve isn't stupid for having shoddy security.

If that's the real story.
 
Originally posted by quaint
7. valve lied
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Or maybe they changed their brief? Is the game out yet? No. No one can say they've lied until the damn game is out, so leave it already and let them get on with finishing the game.

Christ, don't you guys know how soul destroying it is to have a bunch of hyped up, 13 year old flamers ripping into the work they've been doing for the last 4 years? Take a chill pill, wait a few months, and then have a damn good game of HL2.
 
There is nothing to suggest that they had bad security. They got hacked. Haveing security doesent allways stop you getting hacked. Simple as that
 
The attacks were directed at them only. Even Microsoft has trouble when hackers point their attacks at them, you can't really blame them if a concerted effort was made to steal their stuff.

I'd guess that at least 99% of the worlds web connected businesses have a loop hole somewhere, its just a case of someone talented enough being bothered to look for it.
 
"There is nothing to suggest that they had bad security. They got hacked. Haveing security doesent allways stop you getting hacked. Simple as that"

You don't leave millions of dollars of code available to the internet.

That not just bad security, but pure stupidity.
 
I can only say I totally agree with you, except on item 4, they should (and they do) listen to us.
They do take comments from the community serious, and that's a good thing.
 
I swear, the lack of intelligence on these boards is shocking. Valve owes you whiners nothing. They should have never even announced HL2 until the last minute. If they hadn't been so close and responsive with the community, the leak never would've happened. They don't owe you jack or s*it! Where do you people get the nerve to say Valve lied to you?! Why is it so hard to comprehend why they don't acknowledge the leak and other non-official statements? From a marketing standpoint, it makes perfect sense to keep quiet about things like leaks or betas. Think about it! If they were to make an official statement, it'd get LOTS more publicity and every little moron would go "Ooh Ohh! I's out, I'm gonna download it and play it! Ooh ohh! Warezing is fun!!" It's bad publicity. It's smart for them to deny any existence of it, cuz it'll drive all you lil piranha into a feeding frenzy.
What irks me the most is that Valve took all the millions in sales from HL1 and they made a game especially for all the dedicated HL fans out there... instead of "going out and buying ferraris" as they put it. If you ask me, most of the people on this board who are bad-mouthing Valve are either children or have an equivalent IQ. It's YOUR fault HL2 was leaked, not Valve's. Why would they want to confirm the release date now? If they can't keep it for some reason, all the kiddies will be in an uproar once again and some idiot will hack them and try to steal it cuz he just can't wait to freakin play. Some community you are. I hope all the people who are playin the beta get their ip's permanently banned or something. Don't be surprised if HL3 never happens. But you'll only have yourselves to blame.
 
I swear, the lack of intelligence on these boards is shocking.
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Only if you make certain assumptions about the age of forum-goers
 
Here at Valve we dont owe you nothing, thanks for buying our games. :cool:
 
Originally posted by Cander
Valve owes some people a crowbar to the head.
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yeah like the guy in charge of their network security:flame:
 
Shiv,
What on earth are you doeing on a message board like this one then boy?

Because you hated half-life and botherd to read all of these posts for educative reasons?

Besides you don't know me.

-StagedD.
 
Originally posted by Stiler
Without us there would be no valve.
If hl1 got horrible sales, no one buyed any of their games, they wouldn't be where they were today.
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Without Valve there would be no "us" as in the Half-Life community. Valve owes you nothing.

Valve is where they are today because their games are awesome. People like to buy awesome games. If it weren't for Valve, we wouldn't even have the luxury of discussing this. Once again they owe you nothing.
 
Originally posted by ydoucare
Without Valve there would be no "us" as in the Half-Life community. Valve owes you nothing.

Valve is where they are today because their games are awesome. People like to buy awesome games. If it weren't for Valve, we wouldn't even have the luxury of discussing this. Once again they owe you nothing.
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Agreed, and besides, you paid for HL1, you got value for that money, they've paid of their duty of giving you value for your money. So now, they don't owe you squat until you pay for HL2.
 
As i said before they sure as hell owe me and a lot of other people WHO ALREADY PAID 50 DOLLARS FOR THE GAME LIKE 5 MONTHS AGO SOMETHING! Yes i already pre-ordered/bought my copy so they sure as shit owe me something.
 
Originally posted by shiv
Here at Valve we dont owe you nothing, thanks for buying our games. :cool:
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You lot still don't get do you?

This is all about FREE WILL - Valve CHOSE to make a game, and YOU CHOSE to buy it. YOU. NO ONE MADE YOU BUY THE GAME.

With the money that Valve made THEY CHOSE to make another game. And they CHOSE to make that their with THEIR MONEY. The MONEY that you FREELY gave them.

I'm guessing all you lamers, kids and idiots are just pissed that they didn't release the game, but aren't articulate enough to say that, and so resort to infantile abuse, name calling and general petulance.
 
What about the people who upgraded their PC in anticipation of the games release?
 
Comic Book Guy: Last's night Itchy and Scratchy was without a doubt, the worst episode ever. Rest assured I was on the Internet within minutes registering my disgust throughout the world.

Bart: Hey, I know it wasn't great, but what right do you have to complain?

Comic Book Guy: As a loyal viewer I feel they owe me.

Bart What? They've given you thousands of hours of entertainment for free! What could they possibly owe you. I mean if anything, you owe them!

Comic Book Guy: Worst episode ever.
 
Originally posted by Dr.Sbaitso
As i said before they sure as hell owe me and a lot of other people WHO ALREADY PAID 50 DOLLARS FOR THE GAME LIKE 5 MONTHS AGO SOMETHING! Yes i already pre-ordered/bought my copy so they sure as shit owe me something.
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No, you didn't pay Valve anything. You paid the store to hold a copy for you when it is released. Valve doesn't see a penny of that pre-order money. Understandably, retailers won't pay Valve for a game THAT THEY HAVEN'T SHIPPED YET.

Your $50 entitles you only to a spot near the head of the line in your preferred store on shipping day. It has nothing to do with Valve.

That is all.
 
Originally posted by Gilgamesh
What about the people who upgraded their PC in anticipation of the games release?
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They're obviously:

A) Rich enough to do it, and don't understand that in 4 months time, they'd have need to have done it anyway,

B) Jumping the gun by not waiting for it to actually arrive, especially since it was never a "dead cert" (which everyone knew..."

C) Looking desperately for something else to whine about.
 
holy shit this is kinda moronic... valve ows the people that purchased the game already the game, but seeing as though they probably were in agreement that they purchase the game with an unknown realease date, that they have noone to blaim but themselves... i just wish people would stop crying about it and try getting outside of there house, im kinda discuraged myself but i dont sit on this board bitching about how valve lied to "us", it is true though that valve would have nothing unless for its fans, and they would have expected to deal with some sort of trash talking from the 1% of the publics 13 year olds that get angry at things they dont understand. Just sit back and relax everyone theres no point in all this (lol like anyone will listen to common sense) :cheese:
 
Valve does not owe you anything.
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While this is theoretically correct, a successful business is expected to behave in a certain way and deliver certain things to the customer. Failure to do so will result in the business no longer being successful.

So while Valve does not technically owe its fans and customers anything, it is in their best interest to act like they do.
 
If you updated your computer for the game, your comp will still play it when HL2 is released. Sure you probably have spent some extra money (as technology gets cheaper over time) but if you look at the history of Valve you'd know that they have a history of delaying.

And for those that are complaining about paying $50, as said above, the retailer is in charge of sales, not Valve. Odds are if your on this forum, you're going to be shelling out $50 for HL2 sometime anyway. Just be happy that Valve is going to give you a game that may literally make you shat your pants.
 
Originally posted by owens
If you updated your computer for the game, your comp will still play it when HL2 is released. Sure you probably have spent some extra money (as technology gets cheaper over time) but if you look at the history of Valve you'd know that they have a history of delaying.

And for those that are complaining about paying $50, as said above, the retailer is in charge of sales, not Valve. Odds are if your on this forum, you're going to be shelling out $50 for HL2 sometime anyway. Just be happy that Valve is going to give you a game that may literally make you shat your pants.
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Boy I wish that were true! Hardware is never going to get cheaper.
 
Originally posted by Gilgamesh
What about the people who upgraded their PC in anticipation of the games release?
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What about them - do you think Valve owes them something because they CHOSE to do that?

Can you see what I'm getting at here? This whole business about FREE WILL. Do you understand?
 
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