VP hopeful Sarah Palin advocated Abstinence only education, teen daughter pregnant

[Farrowlesparrow]

They should sell Alaska back to Russia. Along with this woman.

Bristolol

 

[Absinthe]

What's worrying to me is that the Republicans actually stand a really good chance of getting elected again. The Obama campaign didn't get quite the bump they were expecting from the DNC and McCain is still nipping at his heels or at a dead heat. This is in spite of 8 years of unequivocal Republican failure, a presidential candidate's track record of compliance with said failure, and a VP selection that is both baffling, questionable, and even insulting to women voters.

The RNC needs to pan out, we still have the debates, and there's still a stretch to go until the big decision is made. But the cynic in me can't help but feel that the McCain ball will keep rolling straight to the White House, regardless of how much they flub it.

Maybe I wouldn't have such a doomed outlook if younger voters had a proven track record of... y'know, actually voting.

 

[Tyguy]

Even if I pretend to curb everything said in this thread, I would still have trouble voting for someone who doesn't have the faintest idea what the vice president does. The rest are details, although they are pretty significant details when added up.

 

[delusional]

Even if I pretend to curb everything said in this thread, I would still have trouble voting for someone who doesn't have the faintest idea what the vice president does. The rest are details, although they are pretty significant details when added up.

The only thing the Vp does is break ties in the senate. And that doesn't occur often, so I can see why she's asking what the vp does every day.

 

[Dog--]

Why do people care.. ffs this has nothing to do with the VPs job or job performance, you dumb shits.

 

[unozero]

if she was a demo**** people would be oh so joyful and protective of her,not to say that she can't be criticized but what does the daughters pregnancy have to with this election .

 

[Tyguy]

well, the only reason it might be worth mentioning is that her politics do not reflect her personal life which, for all intensive purposes, is fair game when running for VP. I agree that a persons personal life should not be used in politics but you have to admit dog, there are a lot of skeletons in her closet.

Plus, it's politics

 

[Raziaar]

if she was a demo**** people would be oh so joyful and protective of her,not to say that she can't be criticized but what does the daughters pregnancy have to with this election .

A demo****?

...

 

[Arrowhead]

Palin is shaping up to be an utter disaster for McCain. Wow!

 

[Kamikazie]

if she was a demo**** people would be oh so joyful and protective of her,not to say that she can't be criticized but what does the daughters pregnancy have to with this election .

So what you're saying is that the "demo****'s" are overprotective of their candidates? I know a lot of democrats that said that they would never vote for Clinton if she was on the ticket in any way, shape or form. They all said that she was to bat **** insane to be president, which i agreed with, but to say that the democrats would be protective of such hypo criticism would ultimately lead to some of the following changing to the Republicans, I think.

 

[Absinthe]

Why do people care.. ffs this has nothing to do with the VPs job or job performance, you dumb shits.

if she was a demo**** people would be oh so joyful and protective of her,not to say that she can't be criticized but what does the daughters pregnancy have to with this election .

I don't give a single god damn **** about a 17 year old daughter getting pregnant. I can, however, appreciate the irony of the situation when it applies to a member of a political platform that favors abstinence-only programs in place of comprehensive sex education. Perhaps that part flew over your heads.

I won't be directly attributing the incident to Palin's supposed competence in office. But I do find it to be a wonderful example of how bankrupt the social conservative position she subscribes to is. Any criticism thrown her way is fair game. That's politics.

 

[DEATHMASTER]

If she was a demo**** I'd smack the sh17 out of obama for picking her.

 

[Sulkdodds]

if she was a demo**** people would be oh so joyful and protective of her,not to say that she can't be criticized but what does the daughters pregnancy have to with this election .

lol wut

Hello, Hillary. Would you like to see this edited digest of what the HL2.net membership thought of you?

Oh. You've vomited right in my lap. Thanks for that.

 

[Dog--]

Perhaps that part flew over your heads.

First of all, I don't care about politics so no, I didn't know that, but even then, that's just her shitty parenting, has nothing to do with her job OR her views.

 

[Absinthe]

First of all, I don't care about politics so no, I didn't know that, but even then, that's just her shitty parenting, has nothing to do with her job OR her views.

Yes, it does. The situation directly reflects the broken policies she supports.

Obama may have been a very nice and civil gentleman saying that everybody should back off the matter, but that is just a nicety. We have no problem pointing out the blatant hypocrisy of "family values" Republicans soliciting gay sex in airport bathrooms in their personal lives. But suddenly you're getting all defensive and righteous because - what? Think of the poor children? Her political views play a part in their upbringing. You may view that as distinct from shitty parenting, but many others would not.

She's running for VP, but she is a step away from the most powerful position in the world. Everything is up for scrutiny. She doesn't need, nor should she receive, the ****ing kid gloves.

 

[CptStern]

if she was a demo**** people would be oh so joyful and protective of her,

they sacrificed a virgin in celebration ..also 2 goats and a pig (because demo****s are in league with satan, dontyouknow)

I <3 kneejerk reactions

not to say that she can't be criticized but what does the daughters pregnancy have to with this election .

"No child will ever recieve s-e-x education as long as I'm Vice President ..even my child, see? now she's pregnant. It's proof the program works because she wouldnt be pregnant if she had just abstained from s-e-x ...satan was strong in her that day"


ok the satan part might have been injected there for humour but it's pretty accurate in illustrating the fact that she's not capable of practicing what she preaches


you're overly defensive which speaks volumes as to how partisan you are. I wouldnt care if it were the demo**** candidate because this shit is funny regardless of which idiotic party you call your own

 

[jverne]

^pretty much what sterny said

i don't mind politicians who do their job decently and from time to time visit sex dungeons. UNLESS! they're being hypocritical about it, as in the case of Palin. not that should be a concern.

 

[Saturos]

Picked a peck of pickled peppers!

Picked a Piper pickled Palins!

...and Track? Trig? Are these people extra-terrestrial aliens in cognito trying to take over the world or something? :|

 

[AJ Rimmer]

Picked a Piper pickled Palins!

...and Track? Trig? Are these people extra-terrestrial aliens in cognito trying to take over the world or something? :|

Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome the Palin family; The world's most conservative hippies!

 

[PvtRyan]

Sarah Palin: Iraq War 'God's Will'

 

[Sulkdodds]

It is always convenient how difficult it is to tell the difference between God's Plan and right of conquest.

 

[Raziaar]

Umm... I made this. Figured I'd post it here as well, even though you have to click the link.

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/1317/bristolstoolcharthi1.jpg

 

[SIGbastard]

I don't understand your mentality.

You can have ideals and teach them to your kids but that doesn't mean they are going to follow suit. Families struggle with stuff all the time. Some parents are completely opposed to alcohol. Does that mean they are a failure if their kids drink despite their views? Not everyone has the same ideals even your own kids. They have a mind of their own.

I think Palin is doing a good job with her daughter from what I see. She doesn't air her families dirty laundry for the public. I am sure there were some extremely tense moments in her family as a result of her daughters pregnancy, but they appear to stand together as a strong family with unconditional love.

 

[CptStern]

I don't understand your mentality.

You can have ideals and teach them to your kids but that doesn't mean they are going to follow suit. Families struggle with stuff all the time. Some parents are completely opposed to alcohol. Does that mean they are a failure if their kids drink despite their views? Not everyone has the same ideals even your own kids. They have a mind of their own.

I think Palin is doing a good job with her daughter from what I see. She doesn't air her families dirty laundry for the public. I am sure there were some extremely tense moments in her family as a result of her daughters pregnancy, but they appear to stand together as a strong family with unconditional love.

she failed as a parent in the sense that her views on abstinence precluded her from teaching her kid about protected sex ..but her parenting isnt what's really at issue, at least concerning her daughters pregnancy. It's the irony of the situation. She supports Abstinence only programs yet her teenage daughter is pregnant; that says a hell of a lot about it's effectiveness

but they appear to stand together as a strong family with unconditional love

oh give me a break ffs, not once did it occur to you that there might be a little bit of showboating for the media ..did you think there was a possibility that they'd be at each other's throats?



funny how the father of the baby looked like a deer in the headlights, you could almost see the shotgun pushing up against his back

 

[SIGbastard]

she failed as a parent in the sense that her views on abstinence precluded her from teaching her kid about protected sex ..but her parenting isnt what's really at issue, at least concerning her daughters pregnancy. It's the irony of the situation. She supports Abstinence only programs yet her teenage daughter is pregnant; that says a hell of a lot about it's effectiveness




oh give me a break ffs, not once did it occur to you that there might be a little bit of showboating for the media ..did you think there was a possibility that they'd be at each other's throats?



funny how the father of the baby looked like a deer in the headlights, you could almost see the shotgun pushing up against his back

I think I'd look the same way if I was put on national television. I'm pretty introverted and would look just like a deer in headlights.

How do you know she didn't talk with her daughter about condom use etc? My parents believed in abstinence but I was still told about condoms etc. Some people believe myself included talk about sex should come from your family rather than the government. You really shouldn't make assumptions that you have no clue about.

Of course there may be show boating. Once again though you assume nothing is genuine. Until proven otherwise that is pretty ignorant to just assume.

 

[CptStern]

I think I'd look the same way if I was put on national television. I'm pretty introverted and would look just like a deer in headlights.

even more so if you're a self proclaimed redneck teenager who just got the vp's daughter pregnant and are the center of media attention


I dont get what you're trying to say here

How do you know she didn't talk with her daughter about condom use etc?

then that would make her a hypocrite ..which, politically, is worse

My parents believed in abstinence but I was still told about condoms etc.

yes but that's completely different than Palin's abstinence only program ..because if you teach condem use it's no longer Abstinence only

Some people believe myself included talk about sex should come from your family rather than the government. You really shouldn't make assumptions that you have no clue about.

see above ..and if you want to give laypeople the sole responsibility of teaching biology that's your own perogative. thankfully clearer heads prevail and it's still taught in school

"when a man and women love each other, jesus sends a beautiful dove of pregnancy which hovers about the soon to be mother until the spirit of the lord enters her and plants it's seed"

Of course there may be show boating. Once again though you assume nothing is genuine. Until proven otherwise that is pretty ignorant to just assume.

so you're saying the family are perfectly ok with the teenage daughter being pregnant? ..a conservative right wing christian family who abhor abortion, sex before marriage, gays and pretty much anything contrary to family values are fine with their daughter's teenage pregnancy? ..come on you're putting way too much of a silver lining around this cloud. You're being an apologist simply on the fact that she's republican

 

[SIGbastard]

yes but that's completely different than Palin's abstinence only program ..because if you teach condem use it's no longer Abstinence only


"when a man and women love each other, jesus sends a beautiful dove of pregnancy which hovers about the soon to be mother until the spirit of the lord enters her and plants it's seed"


so you're saying the family are perfectly ok with the teenage daughter being pregnant? ..a conservative right wing christian family who abhor abortion, sex before marriage, gays and pretty much anything contrary to family values are fine with their daughter's teenage pregnancy? ..come on you're putting way too much of a silver lining around this cloud. You're being an apologist simply on the fact that she's republican

I support abstinence only programs. That doesn't mean I will not talk with my kids about safe sex. I will not promote it. I will tell them abstinence is the best way to go. Am I a hypocrite for wanting to take on this responsibility myself? Their is nothing hypocritical about it. Is it really a big deal to ask parents to teach there kids something? Do we really need government to teach us everything. There is nothing wrong with sex education. Teaching about biology and sex is ok to a point. Going beyond that and promoting certain ways to perform sexual acts is nobodies business but the parents IMHO. There is nothing hypocritical about that.

Your little joke about jesus and the dove of blah blah shows your arrogance. You assume anyone with ideals other than your own must be a redneck idiot who promotes ignorance.

Their is no silver lining. Having family vaules doesn't mean there is no forgiveness. One of my best friends sister had a baby at 17 and her mom was teacher at a private Christian school. I am sure things were tense when the news came out. She stayed with her parents though and they loved their new grandson no less than if she had been older and married. You assume conservatives are full of anger, vengefulness, and strife. Bad things happen, there are consequences, and then things move on. That is how a healthy family operates whether they are liberal or conservative.

I'm not an apologist I just think the level of attacks she is receiving is ridiculous and unmerited.

 

[Absinthe]

I think I'd look the same way if I was put on national television. I'm pretty introverted and would look just like a deer in headlights.

How do you know she didn't talk with her daughter about condom use etc? My parents believed in abstinence but I was still told about condoms etc. Some people believe myself included talk about sex should come from your family rather than the government. You really shouldn't make assumptions that you have no clue about.

Of course there may be show boating. Once again though you assume nothing is genuine. Until proven otherwise that is pretty ignorant to just assume.

Parents should discuss sex with their children. But that conversation can be set apart from comprehensive sex education that every child should receive, seeing as how many of them end up ****ing any way. If you wish to lecture your kids about the morality of premarital sex and all that crap or stress to them that abstinence from sex is the most surefire way of not getting tangled up in its complications, you're free to do so. That should not stop them from getting an understanding of the safety precautions and possible consequences of the act itself, especially in a country where many parents completely neglect to do so for pious principles.

That is, unless, you purposefully want to risk sabotaging their livelihood. Maybe somebody here can explain why sex should be off-limits in schools?

 

[SIGbastard]

Parents should discuss sex with their children. But that conversation can be set apart from comprehensive sex education that every child should receive, seeing as how many of them end up ****ing any way. If you wish to lecture your kids about the morality of premarital sex and all that crap, you're free to do so. That should not stop them from getting an understanding of the safety precautions and possible consequences of the act itself.

That is, unless, you purposefully want to risk sabotaging their livelihood.

You didn't read my posts apparently. I said talking about safe sex practices is good but should be the job of parents. Not nanny government.

 

[Absinthe]

You didn't read my posts apparently. I said talking about safe sex practices is good but should be the job of parents. Not nanny government.

Why?

My concern over sex education is directed at the ultimate welfare of the country's youngest citizens. Your concern seems to be over sex itself. If you disagree with that assessment, then surely you can understand why leaving the entirety of sex education in the hands of parents who refuse to teach it themselves is not helping anybody.

 

[No Limit]

I support abstinence only programs. That doesn't mean I will not talk with my kids about safe sex. I will not promote it.

If you talk about safe sex you no longer support abstinence only programs. Do you honestly think that schools in this country that teach safe sex are promoting sex? No, abstinance is at the core of that education but they still teach about safe sex. What Palin wants is no mention of safe sex, like stern pointed out to you it's abstinance ONLY. I know this is going to sound sarcastic but this should make it clear enough for you:

http://www.answers.com/definition&r=67

Without anyone or anything else; alone

and finally:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstinence-only_sex_education

Abstinence-only sex education is a form of sex education that emphasizes abstinence from sex to the exclusion of all other types of sexual and reproductive health education, particularly regarding birth control and safe sex. This type of sex education promotes sexual abstinence until marriage and either completely avoids any discussion about the use of contraceptives, or only reveals failure rates associated with such use.

This is a classic example of why people vote for republicans, they don't fully understand how ****ing nuts those people are.

 

[SIGbastard]

Why?

My concern over sex education is directed at the ultimate welfare of the country's youngest citizens. Your concern seems to be over sex itself. If you disagree with that assessment, then surely you can understand why leaving the entirety of sex education in the hands of parents who refuse to teach it themselves is not helping anybody.

We have a fundamental disagreement on the roles of parenting and government.

You want a big centralized government who controls the population to a large extent.

I want smaller government that limits itself in roles such as this.

Nothing wrong with that. We just have different perspectives and as such will never agree.

 

[SIGbastard]

If you talk about safe sex you no longer support abstinence only programs.

I said I support abstinence programs at school. I never said anything about the home. They really don't even have to teach abstinence either. Just teach the biology and about sex. Leave the rest for us pion parents to handle.

Oh and there are "nuts" in both parties. Personally people really far to the left seem nuttier than a squirrel turd to me.

 

[Sulkdodds]

We have a fundamental disagreement on the roles of parenting and government.

You want a big centralized government who controls the population to a large extent.

I want smaller government that limits itself in roles such as this.

Nothing wrong with that. We just have different perspectives and as such will never agree.

"I would like the government to make sure that as few as possible people get shafted by having bad parents, by teaching proper sex education in schools - you know, schools, those institutions which are specifically for education and not for trying to ignore the real world?"

=/=

"I want a big centralised government that controls the population to a large extent"

I think this 'you and me disagree, and that is okay by me' stuff is bullshit. It's very obvious you disagree. The question is whose policy would help the most people, whose policy would afford the greatest liberty.

Oh and there are "nuts" in both parties. Personally people really far to the left seem nuttier than a squirrel turd to me.

How many of them believe that an invisible sky man is dictating reality in favour of their policies?

 

[SIGbastard]

"I would like the government to make sure that as few as possible people get shafted by having bad parents, by teaching proper sex education in schools - you know, schools, those institutions which are specifically for education and not for trying to ignore the real world?"

=/=

"I want a big centralised government that controls the population to a large extent"

Maybe the government should focus more on ways to make families stronger, and figure out ways to help parents rather than trying to take their job over.

 

[SIGbastard]

"I would like the government to make sure that as few as possible people get shafted by having bad parents, by teaching proper sex education in schools - you know, schools, those institutions which are specifically for education and not for trying to ignore the real world?"

=/=

"I want a big centralised government that controls the population to a large extent"

I think this 'you and me disagree, and that is okay by me' stuff is bullshit. It's very obvious you disagree. The question is whose policy would help the most people, whose policy would afford the greatest liberty.

How many of them believe that an invisible sky man is dictating reality in favour of their policies?

There is nothing with seeking guidance from God in your decisions no matter what god you believe exists. People like yourselves like to try to twist it into something else though as you just did.

 

[No Limit]

Maybe the government should focus more on ways to make families stronger, and figure out ways to help parents rather than trying to take their job over.

Teaching sex education does exactly that. And Palins daughter is a classic example of abstinence only not working.

Plus if your school is teaching that condoms don't work and you are at home teaching that they do that sends some conflicting messages, doesn't it?

 

[No Limit]

There is nothing with seeking guidance from God in your decisions no matter what god you believe exists. People like yourselves like to try to twist it into something else though as you just did.

That's not the point he was making. How many people on the left believe that Iraq was a mission from God? because Palin believes that, she said so in 2006. And lets be honest, nothing on the left can get nuttier than that.

 

[Mr Stabby]

I think sex education is a waste of taxpayers money. The only Sex Ed I got at school was about abstinence, yet I still know what contraception is. People are responsible for their own stupidity.

 

[SIGbastard]

Teaching sex education does exactly that. And Palins daughter is a classic example of abstinence only not working.

You assume Palin never spoke with her daughter about such matters which is ignorant as you have no clue. Furthermore just because Palin supports abstinence programs doesn't mean that is what her daughter received. I have no clue but she very well could have received safe sex talks at school which would basically make this argument irrelevant. Did her boyfriend go to public school?

There were plenty of pregnant teens at my highschool that had safe sex education. It's just going to happen no matter what you teach.