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Submarine cables cut on purpose???
-five cables already cut so far
-over the spread of hundreds of miles
-tectonic activities and ships ruled out as possible source of damage
-Israel and Iraq not affected, but Iran is???
:eek::eek::eek:
The cutting of multiple undersea cables in several different locations hundreds of miles apart continues to arouse suspicion and stir speculation.

It seems that the activity represents, at the very least, a warning shot across the bows of certain Middle Eastern and Asian nations, and may even signify the imminence of a major geopolitical event.

In the space four days the Middle East and Asia has experienced unprecedented mass Internet outages after no less than four undersea Internet cables were cut without explanation.

Internet blackouts were reported in large tracts of Asia, the Middle East and North Africa after the cable connections were severed. Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates, Kuwait, Bahrain, Pakistan and India, all experienced severe problems.

Reports in the press in the United Arab Emirates have since claimed that the total number of cables now cut is five.

Some questioned whether Iran has been completely cut off from the net. Although the internet traffic report shows the main routers as off, Iran and surrounding countries have satellite links and access to older power lines they used to use, before optical fibre cables were introduced.

Most large tech firms, particularly in India, that do outsourced programming and data entry for U.S. and European insurance, banking and medical companies have not been seriously disrupted because they have used such alternate connections.

(Article continues below)

However, undersea cables carry about 95 percent of the world's telephone and Internet traffic, according to the International Cable Protection Committee, an 86-member group that works with fishing, mining and drilling companies to curb damage to submarine cables.

The media and bloggers alike have questioned the plausibility of up to five cables being cut by accident, affecting most of the Middle East in such a short space of time. The cables are laid deep underwater and are extremely durable. The odds of five of these being damaged within 3 days are astronomical.

In December 2006, seven of the eight Internet cables connected to Taiwan were damaged by an earthquake, disrupting Internet communications in much of Asia for weeks. However the five cables in question are hundreds of miles apart and no earthquake activity has been reported in any of the affected areas.

Suspicions were further aroused when United Arab Emirates' second largest telecom company reported that the cables off of Egypt in the Mediterranean, were cut due to ships dragging their anchors, a practice that ships rarely engage in.

The location of the cables are on shown on nautical charts, they are also placed within maritime exclusion zones. Egypt has video cameras that watches the stretch of ocean where the cables are located, and it has since been confirmed by the government there that there were no ships in the area when the cables were cut. So whatever happened occurred entirely beneath the surface of the Mediterranean sea.

Two of the damaged cables, the Flag Europe-Asia cable and Falcon, are owned by Flag Telecom, a subsidiary of Indian conglomerate Reliance ADA Group. Flag Telecom has since stated that it has never had two cables down at the same time in the region.

Flag Telecom's network is also one of the "newest in existence" so it would be unlikely that the cables would break because of wear and tear or age.

The cables are the communication, commerce and technology lifelines for the afore mentioned nations. Government operations, trading and the financial markets are totally dependent upon the internet.

Most notably, Israel and Iraq have been unaffected by the outage, leading some to predict that the mysterious cable sabotage could portend another imperial Neo-Con crusade in the works.

There is a historical precedent for this kind of sabotage, at the beginning of world war two, one of the first British actions against Germany was to cut their under water communications cables.

In the 1960s the US developed submarines for the purpose of tapping into cables and cutting communications. The USS Parch and the USS Halibut were both used to tap communications cables.

Recently, a document entitled Information Operation Roadmap was declassified by the Pentagon due to a Freedom of Information Act request by the National Security Archive at George Washington University.

One portion of the document states:

?Information, always important in warfare, is now critical to military success and will only become more so in the foreseeable future..... Information operations should be centralized under the Office of the Secretary of Defence and made a core military competency."

"Objective: IO [information operations] becomes a core competency. The importance of dominating the information spectrum explains the objective of transforming IO into a core military competency on a par with air, ground, maritime and special operations. The charge to the IO Roadmap oversight panel was to develop as concrete a set of action recommendations as possible to make IO a core competency, which in turn required identifying the essential prerequisites to become a core military competency."

The importance of information warfare is clearly laid out in this document. Brent Jessop, a regular contributor to Infowars has exhaustively documented the phenomenon of ?Full Spectrum Information Warfare?

Mark Glenn of the American Free Press explains why the cutting of communications may indeed be a prelude to aggression or a warning:
[WARNING AMERICAN FREE PRESS ALARM, I WILL NOT BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR POSSIBLE RACISM HERE]
The countries most affected are all major players in the current goings-on in the Middle East where the US and the Jewish state are up to their eyeballs in skullduggery. The gulf countries were recently visited by George Bush who tried?unsuccessfully?to rally them around support for renewed pressure on a recalcitrant Iran, only to be laughed out of the region. In addition, when asked recently by the US to increase oil output in order to lighten the effects of a downward-spiraling economy, the OPEC nations (some of whom were affected by the cable cut) refused.

The Gulf countries in particular are heavily involved with Iran in banking issues at a time when Israel and America are trying through sanctions and other pressures to isolate and economically strangulate the Islamic republic by preventing other nations from doing business with her. The Gulf countries are getting nervous about a steadily-declining dollar to which their own economies are directly linked and are now openly talking about following other nations that have linked their own currencies to something less troublesome such as the Euro. Pakistan?the only nuclear-armed Muslim country, recently gave a resounding ?Hell-no? to the prospect of US troops operating on its soil.[AFP ends here, finally.]

In short, the deliberate cutting of the internet cables can easily be seen as a shot across the bow by the US/Israeli hydra, a form of low-intensity/covert warfare aimed at destabilizing them and making things uncomfortable, as well as reminding them that if they don?t play ball according to the dictates of the New World Order that ?accidents? can happen.

Others have also speculated that the actions may be related to Iran opening its oil bourse on the 12th of February. The bourse is considered a direct threat to the continued global dominance of the dollar because it will require that Iranian oil, petrochemicals and gas be traded in non-dollar currencies.

As Online Journal contributorMike Whitney comments:

"If the dollar is de-linked from oil; it will no longer serve as the de facto international currency and the US will be forced to reduce its massive trade deficits, rebuild its manufacturing capacity, and become an export nation again."

The real danger is that the oil bourse will accelerate the downward pressure on the dollar that has been facilitated by rampant overspending by the US government and printing of money out of thin air by the Federal Reserve. Furthermore, Saudi Arabia is already dropping hints that if Iran succeeds in getting their oil bourse up and running, they too will start taking Euros for their oil. Without foreign demand for the dollar as an oil exchange currency, the US economy is in real danger of slipping into recession with the dollar take a battering.

Repair ships have now reached at least three of the cables, where full functionality is scheduled to be restored within the week. The owners of the cables have not yet issued any statements as to their findings and have refused to speculate on the cause of the cuts.

http://www.infowars.net/articles/february2008/060208Cables.htm
 
So, moral of the story here is: "Don't **** with the US, or your internet will be cut."




Right?
 
well this seems an entirely plausible possibility, since who the **** would notice someone cutting cables, 5000m beneath the sea.

and besides...many countries have the technology to do such a thing.

i wouldn't rule out sabotage.
 
So Bush rages war with Iran, and the next president is left to pick up the tab

many countries have the technology to do such a thing

Scuba Gear + Submarine + Pair of Scissors = ftw
 
Oh, you'd need diamond encrusted scissors to cut through 5 cables as thick as your neck.
 
Cthulhu would have sucked the cables up like spaghetti, pulling in every computer hooked up to the Internet.

-Angry Lawyer
 
did you ever stop to consider that maybe, just maybe it was Aquaman instead of the illuminati?

If you do have proof, fine.
And dare you seriously believe I would pick up on a conspiracy theory as vague and generic as the illuminati.
They've had enough time to finish the job with overthrowing all of the world's governments, actually that's threehundred years and counting by now.
Ever since may first 1776.
They should have kinda gotten to the point of no return by now, but still, there hasn't been much change.

ANYWAY, why is everybody ridiculing this thing?
I mean, did you even READ the story?
Five internet cables cut in a few weeks sounds rather implausible, unless of course somebody did use diamond scissors.

SOMEBODY.
Aquaman, Illuminati, the flying spaghetti monstre, who cares!

It's plausible anyway that this would prepare an invasion and was necessary to disrupt the iranian public and/or military, just at least do some harm to their communication systems, which it apparently has managed to accomplish.
 
Submarine cables cut
-five cables already cut so far
-over the spread of hundreds of miles
-tectonic activities and ships ruled out as possible source of damage
-Israel and Iraq not affected, but Iran is

Better, Arschloch?
 
If you do have proof, fine.

it's as much proof as you have ..in fact mine makes more sense





And dare you seriously believe I would pick up on a conspiracy theory as vague and generic as the illuminati.
They've had enough time to finish the job with overthrowing all of the world's governments, actually that's threehundred years and counting by now.
Ever since may first 1776.
They should have kinda gotten to the point of no return by now, but still, there hasn't been much change.

MAYBE THEY WANT YOU TO THINK THERE HASNT BEEN MUCH CHANGE ..it's a conspiracy

ANYWAY, why is everybody ridiculing this thing?
I mean, did you even READ the story?
Five internet cables cut in a few weeks sounds rather implausible, unless of course somebody did use diamond scissors.

or a swordfish

SOMEBODY.
Aquaman, Illuminati, the flying spaghetti monstre, who cares!

It's plausible anyway that this would prepare an invasion and was necessary to disrupt the iranian public and/or military, just at least do some harm to their communication systems, which it apparently has managed to accomplish.


see this is where you lose all sense and sensibility ...wouldnt it have been much easier to say oh I dont know bomb communication arrays LIKE THEY ALWAYS DO? I mean if they shelled an Al Jazeera station in jordan months before the invasion why would they go to this great lenghts to temporarily shut down the interwebs BUT NOTHING ELSE .. "OMG WE'RE CRIPPLED, WE CAN'T DOWNLOAD PORN, SURRENDER IMMEDIATELY"

see this is the problem with conspiracy theorists; always looking for the most convoluted explanation possible when in reality they, the government dont go out of their way to make this a secret
 
This is actually an interesting topic. 5 cables cut is bizarre.
 
make that 4

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5iOI6IbGndscHLRd4lRiKCqGksCSg


so much for "diamond scissors"


or maybe 3:

Yet another Gulf cable was reportedly cut, the Khaleej Times said on Tuesday, but there have been suggestions that one break had been counted twice


but of course the more ridiculous the explanation the better:

Bloggers have speculated that the cutting of so many cables in a matter of days is too much of a coincidence and must be sabotage.

Theories include a US-backed bid to cut off arch-foe Iran's Internet access, terrorists piloting midget submarines or "vengeful militant dolphins."


more:

In fact, the fourth break was unsuspicious: the network was taken down by its operator because of a power failure. But by that time the conspiracists were in overdrive.

Slashdot.org, a discussion board, said Iran had lost all internet access on February 1st.
“A communications disruption can mean only one thing—invasion,” said bigdavex, quoting a line from a “Star Wars” film. Bloggers in Pakistan, having recovered from their disruption, returned with a vengeance. The broken cables, they said, forced a delay in the opening of an oil bourse in Tehran; this would have led, claimed pkpolitics.com, to the mass selling of dollars “which would have instantly crashed [the American] economy”. Marcus Salek of New World Order 101.com (nwo101.com) added that “President Putin ordered the Russian air force to take immediate action to protect the Russian nation's vital undersea cables.”

There is just one small problem: Iran's internet connectivity was never lost.

and

It may be rare for several cables to go down in a week, but it can happen. Global Marine Systems, a firm that repairs marine cables, says more than 50 cables were cut or damaged in the Atlantic last year

dolphins wielding diamond scissors?

http://www.economist.com/world/international/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10653963


and

The first two cables to be knocked out were located within a few kilometers of each other off the coast of Alexandria, Egypt, making it likely that they both suffered damage from the same event. That means there was only one other cut

So it looks like the tin foil-dawning contingent will have to jump on another story to feed their conspiracy fetish. This one, it would appear, is coming up empty.



http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/02/07/cut_underseas_cable_conspiracies/
 
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Cthulhu has mind control, it could still be him!
 
Listen, seriously, the only thing cutting those wires is gonna do is disrupt Joe Schmoe from watching his porn. I can assure you that there are plenty of ways for people to communicate without high speed internet. Want to know how they used to do it? Its called a RADIO. Never mind the landlines around the area itself. Suffice to say that it only got really annoying for a bunch of people in South Asia and the Middle East.

I mean, think about it. What would really happen if your internet service conked out for a day. Mine does every other month thanks to bloody stupid Comcast. Its not a big deal.
 
Too bad Iran's defense network doesn't rely on wide area networks. Any sensible communication program runs on closed lines in closed networks; it probably still talks to the internet via radio linking.

Cutting 4 cables in the ocean would be a seriously stupid move and effects A LOT of countries. There's not a dedicated Iran line in the Indian Ocean; infact there's a global underwater internet pipeline map that shows the hundreds of huge pipelines (way bigger than a human neck, mind you; probably at least a 2 feet diameter) that connect to central hubs on the coasts of all the continents. You can't cut one and take down Iran just like you can't cut one and take down all of the US. There are at least two dozen lines into the US; just like there are probably at least a dozen lines into the middle east.

Those huge pipelines then connect to local hubs, which branch out to cities and into homes.

Point is, article is bullshit.
 
Too bad Iran's defense network doesn't rely on wide area networks. Any sensible communication program runs on closed lines in closed networks; it probably still talks to the internet via radio linking.

not to mention that:

There is just one small problem: Iran's internet connectivity was never lost.
 
one out of five cable-cuts explained

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5iOI6IbGndscHLRd4lRiKCqGksCSg
CAIRO (AFP) ? A ship's anchor severed one undersea Internet cable damaged last week, it was revealed on Thursday amid ongoing outages in the Middle East and South Asia, but mystery shrouds what caused another four reported cuts.

There has been speculation that five cables being cut in almost as many days was too much of a coincidence and that sabotage must have been involved.

India's Flag telecom said in a statement that the cut to the Falcon cable between the United Arab Emirates and Oman "is due to a ship anchor... an abandoned anchor weighing five to six tonnes was found."

Flag -- part of India's Reliance Communications -- said repair work on the cable which broke on February 1 was continuing despite rough weather, and it was expected to be completed by Sunday.

The company said repairs to its other Flag Europe Asia cable, one of two that were cut off Egypt's Mediterranean coast, were continuing and would also be complete by Sunday.

Technicians aboard the repair ship were using remotely operated submarine vehicles to check the damage, but the company did not say what caused the cut.

There was no immediate word on the state of repairs to the second severed Mediterranean cable, SEA-ME-WE4.

The damage to the first three cables caused widespread disruption to Internet and international telephone services in Egypt, Gulf Arab states and South Asia.

A fourth cable linking Qatar to the United Arab Emirates was then also damaged causing yet more disruption, telecommunication provider Qtel said.

Earlier reports said that the damage had been caused by ships that had been diverted from their usual route because of bad weather.

But Egypt has already excluded ships as the cause of damage to the Mediterranean cables thanks to footage recorded by onshore video cameras of the location of the cables which showed no traffic in the area when the damage occurred.

Yet another Gulf cable was reportedly cut, the Khaleej Times said on Tuesday, but there have been suggestions that one break had been counted twice.

The head of Qatar's telecoms regulator, Hessa al-Jaber, said in press reports that she doubted the damage was deliberate.

The Qatari telecoms firm Qtel told AFP the line was being fixed and that services should return to normal within days.

With so many cables cut, speculation has risen as to whether the outages, unprecedented in the region, were coincidence or something more nefarious.

"So many incidents happening in one region, whether it is a coincidence is a moot question," said R.S Perhar, secretary of the Internet Service Providers' Association of India.

"The coincidence of so many cables snapping does raise doubts about why this is happening. It needs to be answered."

He said that many Internet service providers were still only "getting 30-40 percent bandwidth."

Some blamed companies' failure to provide backup systems for the outages.

"Many companies don't spend on restoration and protection work. They don't build alternative cable networks. That's why these problems happen," said a spokesman for an Indian telecom service provider on condition he not be named.
 
**** off this does not require a new thread you absolute nut job ****ing idiot crazy wanker.
 
make that 4

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5iOI6IbGndscHLRd4lRiKCqGksCSg


so much for "diamond scissors"


or maybe 3:




but of course the more ridiculous the explanation the better:




more:



and



dolphins wielding diamond scissors?

http://www.economist.com/world/international/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10653963


and





http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/02/07/cut_underseas_cable_conspiracies/


Excellent research, mate.
Weird though I never heard of these cases in the media...
 
Threads merged, and W4d5y gets an infraction for spam.
 
Look, I said myself we were better off if the conspiracy people were wrong on this one... So as long there alternate explanations that do not directly indicate sabotage, fine, bring it on...

Maybe disrupting the internet would come handy when omitting public information distribution, just for the sake of confusion...

Concider that iranians are not a rouge nation and that they'd probably have some decent degree of patriotism in case of an US invasion, so if there was any way to cut those...*sigh* cables, unless all of them were conviniently cut by accident by other sources (okay, yeah, I get it, 50 in the atlantic past year?) then those iranians sure could inform state authorities on military activity, such as the borders, or just give out targets in case of an open military attack.
Only so the military will be on its own then, and remember, they don't have satellites (although they have drones which were suspected of being capable to bear a nuclear weapon....who wrote that shit anyway)

And YES the US will finally attack Iran, simply because it's about the dumbest, sickest madman idea you could possibly get. Because that's what the pentagon does all the time, ****ing things up and letting corporations profit.
And this all is only because (zionist) neocons try destabilize the middle east area (the "axis of evil": Iraq, Syria, Iran), that is what they write in their books...bohoo, this world plain sucks.
But those only were damaged not cut like on the current occasion...

Oh noes, look at this guy:
Possibly an indirect way to help shut down the net due to impending visibility of planet x and all the Internet scuttle it would entail.

Ahhhhh yes. Do you love me again now? :3

In fact, the fourth break was unsuspicious: the network was taken down by its operator because of a power failure.

Okay, that makes number of unexplained cable disruption 3.

Todd Underwood and Earl Zmijewski of Renesys, an internet-monitoring firm, reported that four-fifths of the 695 networks with connections in Iran were unaffected. Most of the other theories dissolve under analysis, too.

http://www.economist.com/world/international/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10653963

Okay, crap, let me get this straight again: The only thing I want to do with my threads is bring forward, to your concideration, the possibility of events having different motivations engulfing them, rather than what you did think they had.
I DO NOT ACTUALLY BELIEVE THAT THIS IS PROOF OF SABOTAGE, AS IT TURNS OUT THERE IS LEGID EXPLANATIONS ALREADY AVAILABLE.
I ONLY SUGGESTED THIS POSSIBILITY AND THAT THIS COULD INDICATE SOMETHING WILL HAPPEN IN THE MIDDLE EAST.

BUT GIVEN THAT THIS IS NOT SABOTAGE, THERE IS NO REASON TO ASSUME A CONSPIRACY.
 
Look, I said myself we were better off if the conspiracy people were wrong on this one... So as long there alternate explanations that do not directly indicate sabotage, fine, bring it on...

Maybe disrupting the internet would come handy when omitting public information distribution, just for the sake of confusion...

Concider that iranians are not a rouge nation and that they'd probably have some decent degree of patriotism in case of an US invasion, so if there was any way to cut those...*sigh* cables, unless all of them were conviniently cut by accident by other sources (okay, yeah, I get it, 50 in the atlantic past year?) then those iranians sure could inform state authorities on military activity, such as the borders, or just give out targets in case of an open military attack.
Only so the military will be on its own then, and remember, they don't have satellites (although they have drones which were suspected of being capable to bear a nuclear weapon....who wrote that shit anyway)

And YES the US will finally attack Iran, simply because it's about the dumbest, sickest madman idea you could possibly get. Because that's what the pentagon does all the time, ****ing things up and letting corporations profit.
And this all is only because (zionist) neocons try destabilize the middle east area (the "axis of evil": Iraq, Syria, Iran), that is what they write in their books...bohoo, this world plain sucks.
But those only were damaged not cut like on the current occasion...

Oh noes, look at this guy:


Ahhhhh yes. Do you love me again now? :3



Okay, that makes number of unexplained cable disruption 3.



http://www.economist.com/world/international/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10653963

Okay, crap, let me get this straight again: The only thing I want to do with my threads is bring forward, to your concideration, the possibility of events having different motivations engulfing them, rather than what you did think they had.
I DO NOT ACTUALLY BELIEVE THAT THIS IS PROOF OF SABOTAGE, AS IT TURNS OUT THERE IS LEGID EXPLANATIONS ALREADY AVAILABLE.
I ONLY SUGGESTED THIS POSSIBILITY AND THAT THIS COULD INDICATE SOMETHING WILL HAPPEN IN THE MIDDLE EAST.

BUT GIVEN THAT THIS IS NOT SABOTAGE, THERE IS NO REASON TO ASSUME A CONSPIRACY.

it took me 5 minutes to research this issue ..5 minutes, less time than it took you to read and post that alamrist Alex Jones article .. why not just take the time to cross reference facts? because these stories suit your agenda


oh and ...

rouge


rogue


you want the non makeup one
 
If you do have proof, fine.
And dare you seriously believe I would pick up on a conspiracy theory as vague and generic as the illuminati.

You do believe the government caused 9/11. That is many many times worse. At least theres not mountains of evidence, logical hurdles and mathematic improbability against you while trying to add the illuminati in as a cause. We could at least pass you off as a crazy instead of someone missing a brain. Seriously...do you see the crap you post? Everything is always a conspiracy. I didn't even read your post because I am sure its "something happened...GWB is at it again to plot the destruction of the world" You seriously must believe everything you read in the tabloids. Did you ever stop for a second and wonder if any of us care about your conspiracy theories. 95% of your threads you base your evidence off of an event and speculation to make the leap of faith to a far fetched conclusion. The other 5% theres some tangible form of evidence that loosely links your far fetched conclusion. I am so sick of your stupid threads that have no debate quality because you base everything on guesses and fail to offer any evidence to link the event with your conclusion.
 
W4d5y: Did you ever stop to think that maybe HL2.net doesn't care about your crap?
 
I keep seeing W4d5Y's name and I keep thinking WYSIWYG.
 
UN agency: Saboteurs may have cut Mideast telecom cables

Go back to sleep, UN.

DOHA (AFP) - Damage to several undersea telecom cables that caused outages across the Middle East and Asia could have been an act of sabotage, the International Telecommunication Union said on Monday.
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"We do not want to preempt the results of ongoing investigations, but we do not rule out that a deliberate act of sabotage caused the damage to the undersea cables over two weeks ago," the UN agency's head of development, Sami al-Murshed, told AFP.

Five undersea cables were damaged in late January and early February leading to disruption to Internet and telephone services in parts of the Middle East and south Asia.

There has been speculation that the sheer number of cables being cut over such a short period was too much of a coincidence and that sabotage must have been involved.

India's Flag telecom revealed on February 7 that the cut to the Falcon cable between the United Arab Emirates and Oman was caused by a ship's anchor. But mystery shrouds what caused another four reported cuts.

"Some experts doubt the prevailing view that the cables were cut by accident, especially as the cables lie at great depths under the sea and are not passed over by ships," Murshed said on the sidelines of a conference on cyber-crime held in Gulf state of Qatar.

The Falcon cable has since been repaired, along with the Flag Europe Asia (FEA) cable which was damaged off Egypt's Mediterranean coast. The status of the remaining cable is still unclear
 
No. Piss off. Its not our fault your a stupid emo who has nothing better to do.
 
Talk to the UN coz the Wadsy ain't listenin'.

I just provide information.

I do not want to convince you of anything, that would be against the rules, I just want to provide you with interesting information, I personally have no opinion on it further, because I am no expert to consult.


I just provide information.
 
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