Well here is the fruits from my tax return.

[SIGbastard]

But at the same time, there aren't any threads cropping up showing off the glory of, say, Finland's NRA.

Americans really just like the guns more than most, and the whole celebration aspect is way more overt than anywhere else.
After twenty years in canada, I have never seen a canadian civilian proudly showing off any sort of gun, be it in the medias or in person.

Switzerland's equivalent to the NRA:

 

[Hectic Glenn]

SIG...you like guns, thats fine, i'm not going to attack you for that, even though i hate them, and you could buy your kid something with that money you spent on a machine of death, but i just think its really selfish and rude to shows guns like this on a gaming site where many teens and younger people visit regularly. If they are interested then a gun site they would visit. If i ever have kids i wouldn't want them looking at real guns and tying it to video games. I'm not saying what Jack Thompson says, i'm saying it shouldn't be thrust in front of them like so. As a parent i hope you get what i mean, i really wish gun talk wasnt allowed here. Don't throw statistics at me after this, nor do a quote war, its just something to think about which i hope you can be empathetic with.

 

[CptStern]

There are other countries that have "gun culture" as well.

not to the same extent as the US and if they do it's usually a lawless state like sierra leon or liberia ...no, you're unique in the world ...the very fact that you dont even see it speaks volumes


oh and finland isnt switzerland ...oh and look at the counter on your finnish gun association website ...129,701 page views ..I wouldnt be surprised if the nra had that many on a daily basis


good points Glenn

 

[SIGbastard]

SIG...you like guns, thats fine, i'm not going to attack you for that, even though i hate them, and you could buy your kid something with that money you spent on a machine of death, but i just think its really selfish and rude to shows guns like this on a gaming site where many teens and younger people visit regularly. If they are interested then a gun site they would visit. If i ever have kids i wouldn't want them looking at real guns and tying it to video games. I'm not saying what Jack Thompson says, i'm saying it shouldn't be thrust in front of them like so. As a parent i hope you get what i mean, i really wish gun talk wasnt allowed here. Don't throw statistics at me after this, nor do a quote war, its just something to think about which i hope you can be empathetic with.

It's the general discussion. I see nothing morally wrong with owning guns in any way. My son will see guns his whole life and will have respect for them as a result because he will be taught how to safely handle and operate them. There are people who post topics here that are sexual in nature. There is nothing rude about sharing pics of my hobby especially when many do indeed share my views and think my new gun is nice. Oh and my son has everything he needs right now. He comes first, but I'm not poor so I get to do things for myself as well.

If you don't like my thread then just don't click on it.

 

[CptStern]

Um! Guns are bad lolz!

I'd have to disagree, though, Stern, collecting instruments of death is common in most places. Not only Americans collect guns, and plenty of people collect swords and daggers and stuff like that.

Personally, I have a small sword collection and a collection of replica firearms. At some point I would love to buy a (deactivated) Luger. Yeaaaah.

But real firearms scare the f*cking shit out of me.

yes and I have a big ass knife ...but it's not what I was referring to ...not collecting guns that for the most part are never meant to be fired ..I mean collecting modern guns ...like this thread starter

a deactivated luger I can understand, it has history behind it ..I cant understand the reasoning behind this


chris the gun guy had this to say about the gun's (pictured in the above link) bullet:

"50 BMG -- .50 cal. Browning Machine Gun. Note that this is a steel bullet vs. the others above are lead. This is because it is intended to be used against "hard targets" such as planes, armored vehicles, etc"

no one could ever justify that gun for home defence


incidentily chris the gun nut writes extensively on video game violence and why it should banned

http://www.chris.cc/video.htm

 

[OvA]

SIG...you like guns, thats fine, i'm not going to attack you for that, even though i hate them, and you could buy your kid something with that money you spent on a machine of death, but i just think its really selfish and rude to shows guns like this on a gaming site where many teens and younger people visit regularly. If they are interested then a gun site they would visit. If i ever have kids i wouldn't want them looking at real guns and tying it to video games. I'm not saying what Jack Thompson says, i'm saying it shouldn't be thrust in front of them like so. As a parent i hope you get what i mean, i
really wish gun talk wasnt allowed here. Don't throw statistics at me after this, nor do a quote war, its just something to think about which i hope you can be empathetic with.

:dozey:

I just swam through a sea of ignorance and nearly drowned in grammatical errors.


Summary : You like guns and I don't, but I won't attack you for that because I am morally superior.


[Proceeds to Attack for liking guns]


You bash him for spending money he earned himself on something he enjoys that does harm to absolutely NO ONE.


You accuse him of buying a "MACHINE OF DEATH, DESTRUCTION, AND INCOMPREHENSIBLE EVIL" when all he does is admire it, take care of it, and occasionally take it to a range to shoot paper tagets.


You call him rude and selfish for showing off something he is proud of? As if posting a picture of a gun is going to suddenly corrupt the mind of a 16 year old? Are children scarred and their realities warped to make them killing machines if they see a pistol on public television?


Are you trying to tell me that someone surfing a forum for a violent videogame, a forum that is filled with graphic descriptions of erectile dysfunction, rape, sex with random people, babies born with hideous birth defects, terrorism, drug use, death threats towards a certain lawyer, atleast one picture of a man wearing assless chaps etc...Is going to be negatively affected by a picture of a gun sitting on a couch?.


You want gun talk banned just because you don't like it? If I don't like what someone is talking about, I leave the thread. Problem solved. No unnecessary censorship involved.


I can give respect to someone who shares a different point of view than I do.

I can't give that respect to someone who rambles about how people who don't share his views are rude and disrespectful.

 

[CptStern]

:dozey:

I just swam through a sea of ignorance and nearly drowned in grammatical errors.


Summary : You like guns and I don't, but I won't attack you for that because I am morally superior.

did we read the same post? because you're way off base here

[Proceeds to Attack for liking guns]


You bash him for spending money he earned himself on something he enjoys that does harm to absolutely NO ONE.

where?

You accuse him of buying a "MACHINE OF DEATH,

yes it's an accurate discription

ESTRUCTION, AND INCOMPREHENSIBLE EVIL"

where does he say that?

:when all he does is admire it, take care of it, and occasionally take it to a range to shoot paper tagets.

dont forget post on a gaming website

You call him rude and selfish for showing off something he is proud of?

no he said he thinks it's rude and selfish ...there's a distinction

As if posting a picture of a gun is going to suddenly corrupt the mind of a 16 year old? Are children scarred and their realities warped to make them killing machines if they see a pistol on public television?

Are you trying to tell me that someone surfing a forum for a violent videogame, a forum that is filled with graphic descriptions of erectile dysfunction, rape, sex with random people, babies born with hideous birth defects, terrorism, drug use, death threats towards a certain lawyer, atleast one picture of a man wearing assless chaps etc...Is going to be negatively affected by a picture of a gun sitting on a couch?.


You want gun talk banned just because you don't like it? If I don't like what someone is talking about, I leave the thread. Problem solved. No unnecessary censorship involved.


I can give respect to someone who shares a different point of view than I do.

I can't give that respect to someone who rambles about how people who don't share his views are rude and disrespectful.

you're making way too much out of this

 

[DeusExMachina]

Stern, did you even read Glenn's post? It clearly says all of that.

 

[bvasgm]

OvA, you're a pretty cool guy, but chill out, you're making too big a deal out of this.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

SIG...you like guns, thats fine, i'm not going to attack you for that, even though i hate them, and you could buy your kid something with that money you spent on a machine of death, but i just think its really selfish and rude to shows guns like this on a gaming site where many teens and younger people visit regularly. If they are interested then a gun site they would visit. If i ever have kids i wouldn't want them looking at real guns and tying it to video games. I'm not saying what Jack Thompson says, i'm saying it shouldn't be thrust in front of them like so. As a parent i hope you get what i mean, i really wish gun talk wasnt allowed here. Don't throw statistics at me after this, nor do a quote war, its just something to think about which i hope you can be empathetic with.

Selfish and rude? Not associate a gaming site with guns?

First of all, the game this site is devoted to is rated M. Second of all- the entire platform is TITLED "First Person Shooter" so claiming you want gun talk banned to save visiting children from "the evil sight of a firearm" is rediculous.

It's not thrust in front of anyone, you didn't have to view the thread- hovering your mouse over it clearly shows in text what it was about.

 

[Nat Turner]

OvA, you're a pretty cool guy, but chill out, you're making too big a deal out of this.

Actually he's not. He's just responding to insanity.

 

[CptStern]

yes because it's insane to fear a tool who's sole purpose is to kill

let's all shower ourselves with handguns because they're such a harmless instrument best suited for defending our freedoms and making sure the government doesnt overstep it's bounds ...the only insanity here is that you people actually believe that load of crap

 

[Nat Turner]

yes because it's insane to fear a tool who's sole purpose is to kill

let's all shower ourselves with handguns because they're such a harmless instrument best suited for defending our freedoms and making sure the government doesnt overstep it's bounds ...the only insanity here is that you people actually believe that load of crap

which has EVERYTHING to do with video games

 

[CptStern]

you mean we shouldnt be discussing things outside of video games in the off topic forum?

 

[Nat Turner]

you mean we shouldnt be discussing things outside of video games in the off topic forum?

scroll up several posts, look what OvA was posting about

 

[CptStern]

yes I read and replied to it ..I dont see your point

 

[SIGbastard]

So does it make me any more "insane" or "irrational" that I make pretty much all of my own handgun ammo? I'd do rifle as well but I don't like the case trimming.

 

[CptStern]

no one called you insane, just the situation

 

[Solaris]

So does it make me any more "insane" or "irrational" that I make pretty much all of my own handgun ammo? I'd do rifle as well but I don't like the case trimming.

Is that safe? The gun's pretty cool, would be fun in a game, but in realy life, having that big black beast of death.... I wouldn't want it. And I wouldn't want my neighbours to have one either.

 

[Vegeta897]

Total flipout! This is a ****ing violent video game site, if you think guns are a problem with kids then you are stupid, do you have any idea how many kids as young as 12 do drugs or drink or smoke? Jack Thompson should be fighting against those, not video games. Drugs kill far more kids than guns will, both now and in the future.

If you don't like gun talk on a GAMING SITE then why the **** do you allow talk about stuff like weed. I bet you there have been a handful of kids that found out about weed on this site, due to all the open talk and encouragement you can find here, and are now smoking it.

So don't even start ****ing complaining.

 

[CptStern]

Total flipout! This is a ****ing violent video game site, if you think guns are a problem with kids then you are stupid, do you have any idea how many kids as young as 12 do drugs or drink or smoke? Jack Thompson should be fighting against those, not video games. Drugs kill far more kids than guns will, both now and in the future.

yes because trauma units across america are filled with kids suffering from multiple maryjane wounds when they crossed the path of some irate ganga dealer doing a drive by

If you don't like gun talk on a GAMING SITE then why the **** do you allow talk about stuff like weed. I bet you there have been a handful of kids that found out about weed on this site, due to all the open talk and encouragement you can find here, and are now smoking it.

So don't even start ****ing complaining.

yes, that goes for guns too doesnt it? by your logic there's probably kids that found out about guns on this site due to all the open talk and encouragement you can find here, and are now rushing out to buy them.

 

[Vegeta897]

WTF? How do you think they found the site in the first place!? Have you PLAYED HL2?

And maybe you are a little too old to know about what highschool is like these days, but drugs ruin so many lives of kids it's not even funny. Did you even stop to compare how hard it is to get a gun than to buy a joint? Obviously not.

 

[CptStern]

WTF? How do you think they found the site in the first place!? Have you PLAYED HL2?

yes I have ..what's your point?

And maybe you are a little too old to know about what highschool is like these days, but drugs ruin so many lives of kids it's not even funny. Did you even stop to compare how hard it is to get a gun than to buy a joint? Obviously not.

please, I have american cousins ..they tell me it's pretty easy to get a legal gun even easier to get an illegal one ..and they're both professionals ..one works as a lab technician at a university ..even here in canada I could probably get a gun ..but would have to wait till it shipped from the US

 

[SIGbastard]

Is that safe? The gun's pretty cool, would be fun in a game, but in realy life, having that big black beast of death.... I wouldn't want it. And I wouldn't want my neighbours to have one either.

Of course it's safe. The most expensive part of ammunition is the brass case. Pistol brass can be used until the neck starts to crack. You have to be more careful with rifle brass because your working with much higher pressures. I've had some brass last a dozen reloads. All you do is clean the brass, decap it (remove the old primer), resize it, expand the neck, recap it, charge it with powder, seat a new bullet and crimp if desired. All it takes is a press, dies for each caliber, a priming tool, and some good scales. You just get a good reloading manual and it will let you know the proper types and grain weights of powder for various calibers. You just don't want to start with the hottest load as what may be safe for one gun might be excessive in another.

 

[Vegeta897]

please, I have american cousins ..they tell me it's pretty easy to get a legal gun even easier to get an illegal one ..and they're both professionals ..one works as a lab technician at a university ..even here in canada I could probably get a gun ..but would have to wait till it shipped from the US

Ok? You still haven't mentioned how easy it is to get drugs. Key word compare, you need TWO things.

And I'm not talking about people that old, and neither is the thread because the issue is young kids being exposed to guns, not people who are in college. I'm pretty sure a college person knows and can respect a firearm.

My point about HL2 was that obviously one would need to know HL2, which has lots of guns and violence, in order to know about or have interest in joining this site. C'mon Sterny don't play dumb...

 

[CptStern]

Ok? You still haven't mentioned how easy it is to get drugs. Key word compare, you need TWO things.

it's relatively easy to get pot yes ..if you know someone/area ...hardcore drugs (weed wont kill you) not so easy

And I'm not talking about people that old, and neither is the thread because the issue is young kids being exposed to guns, not people who are in college. I'm pretty sure a college person knows and can respect a firearm.

you're all over the place .....I didnt mean college students, I meant kids being exposed to guns ...you're clouding the issues

My point about HL2 was that obviously one would need to know HL2, which has lots of guns and violence, in order to know about or have interest in joining this site. C'mon Sterny don't play dumb...

backtrack here and indulge me for a sec ...how does this fit into what we're discussing?

 

[Hectic Glenn]

Ova...you come to this thread and without taking anything i said onboard and turned as condesending as humanely possible and attacking any points i made as grammatical or ignorance. If you really can't pick out what i said from what i wrote then please just move on yourself.

There are guns in HL2 yes Devin, they are not real and i don't see a connection (Jack Thompson wise). This thread is about a real gun. Yes theres sexually orientated material here too (usually closed), however things that are not will always be part of a childs life...at some point. Guns are not a necessity to life as you make it seem. I think its wrong of you to post them here as you could easily influence younger people. There is no way guns are all about protection. It's about ego and image as well. This appeals to younger people far more strongly, which is why i feel this site isn't a sensible place for it, and i hope you understand my point.

Sorry if i'm in the minority here but i find this incredibly frustrating that its just me and Stern it seems that dislike this culture and following of guns, and that scares me even more.

 

[Vegeta897]

I never said I followed the gun culture, or anything of the sort :|

And ofcourse guns are not a necessity, and neither are drugs, which is the point I was making.

All I'm saying in this thread is that people should worry more about drugs and the youth than guns and the youth, especially over a thread like this. This thread isn't telling anybody or giving anybody the means to purchase a gun, and I seriously doubt it has persuaded a child to buy one. Drugs are just easier for children, they are very cheap and can be found anywhere, and are easy to obtain.

And deaths aren't the only bad part about drugs, it ruins lives and families.

 

[SIGbastard]

Ova...you come to this thread and without taking anything i said onboard and turned as condesending as humanely possible and attacking any points i made as grammatical or ignorance. If you really can't pick out what i said from what i wrote then please just move on yourself.

There are guns in HL2 yes Devin, they are not real and i don't see a connection (Jack Thompson wise). This thread is about a real gun. Yes theres sexually orientated material here too (usually closed), however things that are not will always be part of a childs life...at some point. Guns are not a necessity to life as you make it seem. I think its wrong of you to post them here as you could easily influence younger people. There is no way guns are all about protection. It's about ego and image as well. This appeals to younger people far more strongly, which is why i feel this site isn't a sensible place for it, and i hope you understand my point.

Sorry if i'm in the minority here but i find this incredibly frustrating that its just me and Stern it seems that dislike this culture and following of guns, and that scares me even more.

Was there a breeze or something. I swear I heard something but it wasn't coherent.....

 

[CptStern]

yes it's easy to be condescending when you're full of self righteousness ..why not try answering him instead?

 

[Vegeta897]

He didn't seem to be asking anything...

 

[CptStern]

answering/responding, same shit

 

[SIGbastard]

There has actually been more positive posts than in the past which surprises me. I don't visit this site to often. Mainly just when I have lots of tests coming up because I'm on my laptop for such long periods of time.

I have more to talk about than guns it's just my hobby so I love talking about them. My life is pretty much consumed with dental school and I think topics about craniofacial complex or preclinical operative would be dull. I do however have something I am going to post in the politics section later completely unrelated to school or guns.

Sorry for who I have offended, but we don't see eye to eye in any regard on this topic. Just except that we are different and that you will not convince me I am being rude. I plan on making a thread about reloading and maybe about a small machine gun shoot I plan to go to on April 22nd. I have never actually shot anything full auto yet so I am quite excited about the shoot.

 

[SIGbastard]

yes it's easy to be condescending when you're full of self righteousness ..

Coming from you that's a complete and total joke, and BTW I already answered him earlier. Why should I repeat myself again?

 

[CptStern]

Coming from you that's a complete and total joke,

I have just cause to be self-righteous ..because most of the time I'm right. Now before you jump all over me, I"ll add the caveat that my sources are right

and BTW I already answered him earlier. Why should I repeat myself again?

because it was a separate post?

 

[Vegeta897]

CptStern let's be honest with ourselves and admit that you definitely have an instant bias toward gun-enthusiasts, and I think it's rude of you, not SIGbastard, to come in his thread and preach your ways expecting people in a gun thread to agree with you. I don't speak for them but I'm pretty sure it's insulting to the firearm community.

Tbh I think you spend way too much time pointlessly talking and arguing than you do taking action. And like I said, I think drugs and children are a far worse problem.

 

[CptStern]

CptStern let's be honest with ourselves and admit that you definitely have an instant bias toward gun-enthusiasts,

yes and no ...they cant justify there existance except with a "because" ...I just call them up on it ..but I dont hate them if that's what you're getting at

and I think it's rude of you, not SIGbastard, to come in his thread and preach your ways expecting people in a gun thread to agree with you. I don't speak for them but I'm pretty sure it's insulting to the firearm community.

preach? please show me where I preach, in fact look at my first post in this thread

the only worry I have about upsetting the firearm community is that they respond by filling me full of lead ..they're a bunch of big gun carrying boys and girls they can take care of themselves

Tbh I think you spend way too much time pointlessly talking and arguing than you do taking action. And like I said, I think drugs and children are a far worse problem.

yes the operative word being "think" ...you're way off base. And drugs are not a bigger problem because weed doesnt accidentily blow your head off

 

[Vegeta897]

And drugs are not a bigger problem because weed doesnt accidentily blow your head off

Yes that's a totally valid comparison, mmhmm, damn! They're just so similar. :O

 

[Smoke]

I take drugs, im not proud of it either.

So if i post a picture of a joint i`ll get flamed? Fair enough.

Both sides to this bs fight are right, so stop BICKERING.

Flame me if you will, it will make no difference, heres how pointless argueing (sp?) on a gaming forum is.

Just stop fighting yeah? Makes sense....

 

[CptStern]

Yes that's a totally valid comparison, mmhmm, damn! They're just so similar. :O

you seem to think so