What A Mess! New Orleans!

The death, destruction, and violence is reaching catastrophic proprotions.

Police say storm victims being raped, beaten inside Convention Center...

NYT THURSDAY: There are signs of complete social breakdown, experts and locals say, a descent into a kind of predatory violence... Developing...

I am certain deaths will be in the tens of thousands.

New Orleans descended into anarchy Thursday, as corpses lay abandoned in street medians, fights and fires broke out and storm survivors battled for seats on the buses that would carry them away from the chaos. The tired and hungry seethed, saying they had been forsaken. 'This is a desperate SOS," Mayor Ray Nagin said.

"We are out here like pure animals," the Rev. Issac Clark said outside the New Orleans Convention Center, where he and other evacuees had been waiting for buses for days amid the filth and the dead.

Four days after Hurricane Katrina roared in with a devastating blow that inflicted potentially thousands of deaths, the frustration and anger mounted, despite the promise of 1,400 National Guardsmen a day to stop the looting, plans for a $10 billion recovery bill in Congress and a government relief effort President Bush called the biggest in U.S. history.

New Orleans' top emergency management official called that effort a "national disgrace" and questioned when reinforcements would actually reach the increasingly lawless city.

I still haven't heard from my people.


A New Orleans hospital had to temporarily cease evacuations after coming under sniper fire.

When some hospitals try to airlift patients, Coast Guard Lt. Cmdr. Cheri Ben-Iesan said, "there are people just taking potshots at police and at helicopters, telling them, `You better come get my family.'"
 
Yay for our shitty goverment bearly helping!
 
Damn this is horrible... may we learn from our mistakes.
 
Tr0n said:
Yay for our shitty goverment bearly helping!
There's over a thousand new troops flooding into the city each day to try and help. In all honesty, there's not a lot you can do in this horrid situation. You can't get enough people in and out at the same time at that rate, on Tuesday they could only physically get couple thousands a day out, and now I imagine with the choppers coming under fire and such it's a lot tougher.

The thing they are lacking in that they could get more of are bus routes to and out of the city, preferably to Houston, but it must be realized the strain on these cities is already insanely huge, especially in the southern cities taking refugees because they were ALSO hit, but can accomodate life.

It's just a horrid deteriorating situation
 
The government down in New Orleans and Louisiana has always been a little off (they refuse to really enforce stuff like the drinking age and pay for it by sacrificing national money for road repair.), and I can't help but think that this is likely more of a local shortfall. The federal government seems to have kicked into high gear to compensate, but its a huge infrastructure that needs to be mobilized, and that takes time.
 
RakuraiTenjin said:
There's over a thousand new troops flooding into the city each day to try and help. In all honesty, there's not a lot you can do in this horrid situation. You can't get enough people in and out at the same time at that rate, on Tuesday they could only physically get couple thousands a day out, and now I imagine with the choppers coming under fire and such it's a lot tougher.

The thing they are lacking in that they could get more of are bus routes to and out of the city, preferably to Houston, but it must be realized the strain on these cities is already insanely huge, especially in the southern cities taking refugees because they were ALSO hit, but can accomodate life.

It's just a horrid deteriorating situation
Why can't we use military helicopters? Oh yea...they're in Iraq! Hell can't our goverment even spare soliders to help enforce the law and peace?

I mean god damn...we have the most advanced powerful military ever known to man. We can conquer and destroy nations in less then a day...yet we can bearly get choppers to bring in supplies and take out people due to some petty crimnals...and get more soldiers in to help?
 
We got a hold of my aunt

Her and her kids went to take refuge in the neighbor's house.

It is the only house left standing in the area. God must've been watching over her.

They lost their home and their store has been looted out. My cousin's real dad in Georgia (they live with my aunt and their step dad in New Orleans) is trying to get a hold of my aunt again to wire her some money so she can get the kids here, and they'll stay here until she can escape. But I don't know how they will be able to make it out in the first place, they'd have to go to Baton Rouge or Houston first, by themselves but it's all screwed up.

But they're alive, that's what matters. They lost everything though. Tough times ahead.
 
That's some good news, at least Rakurai. Glad you finally got to talk to them. I hope they're safe making it out of that disaster zone okay.
 
Tr0n said:
Why can't we use military helicopters? Oh yea...they're in Iraq! Hell can't our goverment even spare soliders to help enforce the law and peace?

I mean god damn...we have the most advanced powerful military ever known to man. We can conquer and destroy nations in less then a day...yet we can bearly get choppers to bring in supplies and take out people due to some petty crimnals...and get more soldiers in to help?
They are using military helicopters, and coast guard, and it seems even a few civilian. Its an entire city though, and the copters need places to refuel and land in an area thats been pulverized. 1800+ National Guard have been rolling into the city everday, but they haven't yet gotten all the personel in the area there yet. A "lack" of personel and equipment due to Iraq doesnt seem to have any effect yet, since they haven't gotten what they have there yet.
 
RakuraiTenjin said:
It is the only house left standing in the area. God must've been watching over her.

Yeah, and he said **** you to the tens of thousands who are now homeless. But, they're probably heathens. Thinking that 'god' gave preferance to your aunt over all those other people is a might arrogent. It wasn't god that saved your aunts house, it was luck. So be glad that your aunt is lucky.
 
staticprimer said:
Yeah, and he said **** you to the tens of thousands who are now homeless. But, they're probably heathens. Thinking that 'god' gave preferance to your aunt over all those other people is a might arrogent. It wasn't god that saved your aunts house, it was luck. So be glad that your aunt is lucky.
**** off.
 
staticprimer said:
Yeah, and he said **** you to the tens of thousands who are now homeless. But, they're probably heathens. Thinking that 'god' gave preferance to your aunt over all those other people is a might arrogent. It wasn't god that saved your aunts house, it was luck. So be glad that your aunt is lucky.
why are you being such a prick? its just a saying.

or what if the other people didnt believe in god and he was pissed? so he punished them and saved rakurai's aunt.
 
Saying that God protected a loved one does not imply that God wished to punish others. It implies that something miraculous happened that you should be thankful for.
 
Direwolf said:
Saying that God protected a loved one does not imply that God wished to punish others. It implies that something miraculous happened that you should be thankful for.

ahhh, and evil does not exist. its just a lack of good :borg: :cat:
 
Well thats a whole different subject and beginning to stray in ridiculous semantics. :D
 
Only saving one person when you have the power to save everyone... or, even worse, punishing the others and sparing her? That doesn't sound like the modern view of the Christian God. Although, the early version of their God definately wasn't above that kind of behavior. Plagues on your enemies' entire countries? Sure. Killing their first-born sons? Why not?! Human and/or animal sacrifice? Oh yeah... even his own son. Flooding the world to start over like resetting an etch-a-sketch? You bet!

Anyway, for every example of a religious person being "protected"... there are examples of non-religious people being spared while the religious people die. Although, people tend to only remember the coincidences because they find them interesting... leading, over time, to a skewed view of the statistics. For example, I know of people that think they see clocks irregularly often when the number is something like 11:11... when, in fact, they just don't care most of the time and their mind doesn't think it's important enough to remember. Our mind is constantly trying to find patterns in things. It's usually a helpful feature... but sometimes it causes problems or can be easily tricked into seeing things that aren't there.

Then, there's the perceived notion that if something is like a one in a million chance of happening it can't happen... which is used by our mind to "be realistic" about things and not constantly worry about meteors destroying the earth, a stray bullet falling from the sky and killing you, or having a heart attack while walking down the street. This is where perceived "miracles" come from. You're not "miraculously beating the odds" if you survive a disease that kills 99% of the people that contract it. You're the lucky guy in a hundred that survives. From your view it might seem like a miracle... but if you back up and look at the big picture, it doesn't seem like such a miracle when only 1% of the people survive. It looks like a disaster. The further from the center/norm you get the less likely it is to happen. That's why most people are average height... and there are only a small number of people that are 7' tall basketball players... and there has only been one person in recorded history to be just an inch short of nine feet tall.

I may not be an atheist... but I don't like organized religions and religions based on stories written by people thousands of years ago. I'm part of the "it's not possible to know for sure either way" camp. If I want something done I don't ask for help... because it never did anything before. I just do it. That system has been working just fine for years. In fact, I've actually been better off since I started living my life that way.
 
OCybrManO said:
Only saving one person when you have the power to save everyone... or, even worse, punishing the others and sparing her? That doesn't sound like the modern view of the Christian God. Although, the early version of their God definately wasn't above that kind of behavior. Plagues on your enemies' entire countries? Sure. Killing their first-born sons? Why not?! Human and/or animal sacrifice? Oh yeah... even his own son. Flooding the world to start over like resetting an etch-a-sketch? You bet!

Anyway, for every example of a religious person being "protected"... there are examples of non-religious people being spared while the religious people die. Although, people tend to only remember the coincidences because they find them interesting... leading, over time, to a skewed view of the statistics. For example, I know of people that think they see clocks irregularly often when the number is something like 11:11... when, in fact, they just don't care most of the time and their mind doesn't think it's important enough to remember. Our mind is constantly trying to find patterns in things. It's usually a helpful feature... but sometimes it causes problems or can be easily tricked into seeing things that aren't there.
I'd argue with you, but thought better of it when I realized that trying to break down the wall of China with my head would be more rewarding.
This is basically to say that I disagree with you but opinions are opinions.
And I'm in a bad mood.
 
Thank you for putting what I was trying to say in less prickish terms. I realize I could have been more civil about it, but statements like Rakurai's are one of the few things that really get under my skin.
 
I just heard on the radio that many police officers in the city have just started to quit. They say they don't have anything left and they aren't going to do their job when people are shooting at them anymore.

Many bus drivers and helicopter pilots have also begun to refuse entering the city due to the anarchy.

The mayor is also extremelly pissed off and was even quoted as saying something along the lines of "Its too late for my city."

Blog from people actually in the city right now along with live video feeds and first hand accounts of what is happening:
http://www.livejournal.com/users/interdictor/
 
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