What is going on in Great Britain(for reals this time)

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I recently read in a pro-gun magazine that due to Great Britain's banning of any defensive or offensive weapon, the crime rate has shot up beyond control. I also read that you cannot even carry a pin needle due to the fact that it is considered a dangerous weapon. Now I wonder whether this is rubbish or if the crime rate is actually as bad as they make it sound. :cheers:
 
To the great consternation of British authorities concerned about tourism revenue, a June CBS News report proclaimed Great Britain "one of the most violent urban societies in the Western world." Declared Dan Rather: "This summer, thousands of Americans will travel to Britain expecting a civilized island free from crime and ugliness ... [but now] the U.K. has a crime problem ... worse than ours."


Its Dan Blather, but might as well assume he isnt going to lie about this.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/3/21/205139.shtml

So yes, Id say the crime rate is pretty bad.
 
gh0st said:
To the great consternation of British authorities concerned about tourism revenue, a June CBS News report proclaimed Great Britain "one of the most violent urban societies in the Western world." Declared Dan Rather: "This summer, thousands of Americans will travel to Britain expecting a civilized island free from crime and ugliness ... [but now] the U.K. has a crime problem ... worse than ours."


Its Dan Blather, but might as well assume he isnt going to lie about this.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/3/21/205139.shtml

So yes, Id say the crime rate is pretty bad.
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are you serious?

things are looking fine where i live, and other places ive visited in the UK?

you sure your not stereotyping ? LOL :rolleyes:
 
KoreBolteR said:
are you serious?

things are looking fine where i live, and other places ive visited in the UK?

you sure your not stereotyping ? LOL :rolleyes:
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Yes I'm sure he's serious. Why would you blame me for stereotyping in Dan Rathers report?
 
yeah but CBS claimed that UK were one of the most violent countries in the urban world.

you know how much cbs twists things.
anyway, i live here and my family members live around the UK, ive been around this island, and from what ive seen, it isnt violent as cbs make it out to be, imHo :D
 
So how violent is it? is it true that you cannot even carry a pin needle down the street due to that fact that it is considered a dangerous weapon? If this is the case, I think it is time for you guys to start a revolution and declare Charleton Heston as you Prime Minister and the NRA as the Parlament. ;)
 
abconners said:
So how violent is it? is it true that you cannot even carry a pin needle down the street due to that fact that it is considered a dangerous weapon? If this is the case, I think it is time for you guys to start a revolution and declare Charleton Heston as you Prime Minister and the NRA as the Parlament. ;)
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we can carry a hundred pin needles and wont get arrested if we wanted. :upstare:
infact most of the time the stuff you read over there, are over-reacted stories, lol . :D :eek:

just what its like here with our "british press".
 
Anyone else from the UK have an say in this thread? I would like to hear from some of you Brits on the subject.
 
You've been hit by the media machine. It's crap, but I can see where it's coming from. Allow me to explain.

OK, recently, and controversially, our Labour government decided not to change the law on defending your property. There was a famous case that brought this to light, in which a farmer (Tony Martin) shot and killed a burglar, and was imprisoned for it. Of course all the papers jumped at the story "He was protecting his house" "This is political correctness gone mad" and all the usual crap. At the end of the day the guy took things way too far, and murdered someone - no matter how much of a c**t they were for trying to nick his stuff.
Now the law stated then that you can use 'reasonable force' against burglars, and of course Mr Martin got imprisoned because shooting a teenager is not reasonable force. The governmen recently looked at this law, and it made headlines all over when they said that the law was okay. Of course the usual papers printed the predictible stories "Government gives okay to burglaries" "You can't defend your home" All a load of crap, basically.

Now, yesturday a national survey's results were released, and they show that a quarter of young people are involved in serious crimes. This survery is a first as it asks not "Have you been the victim of a crime" but instead "Have you committed crimes". Yet some of these "serious crimes" include 'stealing from work' which could mean a million things, and the most common not being serious crimes at all. Either way, despite this survey, national figures show that as a whole crime is declining, although violent crime is up.

What I'm assuming has happened is that some paper has linked the two stories and made a shocking news story from it. Despite it being BS.

And as for pins/ dangerous weapons? I've heard nothing about that. I think it's just simply a lie. I've always got a pin in my wallet to burn small chunks of dope on, I've got a friend who always carries a knife on him (not for defense, or to mug people, but to skin rabbits he's shot, of all things).

Hope that infos been of some help in your quest for knowledge.
 
Burner, if you find someone in your house in the middle of the night, you don't sit down talk to them and find out wether or not they're trying to kill you and your wife/kids etc. If I ever find a stranger in my house in the middle of the night(assuming they''re doing something suspicious such as rummaging around that kind of thing) they WILL get shot/stabbed/ karate chopped.
 
and if its dark, can u tell if there a teenager, kill em to be safe
 
Eg. said:
and if its dark, can u tell if there a teenager, kill em to be safe
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You don't have to kill them. But they sure as hell wouldn't rob my house again when I got through with em.
 
thats why shotguns are good, a hot to the leg wont killm but they wont rob again
 
Eg. said:
thats why shotguns are good, a hot to the leg wont killm but they wont rob again
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A shotgun to the leg would take the guy/girl leg off
 
abconners said:
I recently read in a pro-gun magazine that due to Great Britain's banning of any defensive or offensive weapon, the crime rate has shot up beyond control. I also read that you cannot even carry a pin needle due to the fact that it is considered a dangerous weapon. Now I wonder whether this is rubbish or if the crime rate is actually as bad as they make it sound. :cheers:
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Well, as a resident, I'll say "poppycock" to that. Crime, in this country, is much lower than in the US, especially murders.
 
burglars wont kill you lol
they run off as soon as they hear you coming. I had this happening twice
 
Kangy said:
Well, as a resident, I'll say "poppycock" to that. Crime, in this country, is much lower than in the US, especially murders.
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Sorry but CBS said it's worse and you guys came out by the hunderds a few posts down saying that CBS is NEVER wrong...
 
Maybe they are trying to make out we have it worse than the states. There are crime ridden areas in the uk as there are in every country. You should have the sense to know where and where not to go. What to do and what not to.

Dont believe everything you see on the telly. Its mostly hyped to sound interesting to the viewers.
 
Inner city areas are bad for crime.

I don't really like this country. I'm gonna try and get out someday.
 
Sgt_Shellback said:
Sorry but CBS said it's worse and you guys came out by the hunderds a few posts down saying that CBS is NEVER wrong...
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Well, CBS has the wrong idea.

There is a lot of violent crime right now, but there is really, in comparison to the US, little gun crime. A lot of it has a different cause altogether, binge drinking, a problem that has come up after guns were (with great success) banned.

Binge drinking is causing new kinds of problems, with huge amounts of youths (18-30) going out and getting completely smashed all over the weekend. There's always a few doing stupid things, but in higher concentration that number escalates and spreads.

I've never said that CBS is never wrong, so stop stereotyping all my views with other people I sometimes agree with, please.
 
Heh, it seems the media is unreliable whereever you live in the world. :p



Utter bullshit, most of the UK is perfectly safe... by reasonably standards.

Allthough as said, violent crime is on the rise. Its not out of control though. :p
 
marksmanHL2 :) said:
Heh, it seems the media is unreliable whereever you live in the world. :p
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The facts show that serious crimes in the UK are down by a certain percentage (I forgot what, but the main point is that it's in decline), but the media coverage of serious crimes is up by around 600% since a couple of decades ago. So yeah, the media sucks.
 
marksmanHL2 :) said:
Heh, it seems the media is unreliable whereever you live in the world. :p
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According to FOX, we're (netherlands) baby killing nazi's, and our country is being torn apart by violent crime, all women are prostitutes and we're all drug addicts.
 
PvtRyan said:
According to FOX, we're (netherlands) baby killing nazi's, and our country is being torn apart by violent crime, all women are prostitutes and we're all drug addicts.
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I never saw anything like that on fox. :|
 
They should look at your drug stats and compare it to the states, then let's hear them slag off coffee shops!

And yeah, if a burglar was in my house chances are they're gunna sprint when they hear you come downstairs. Because they don't know who you are, how big you are, what weapon you have, and if they get into a fight and lose then they're going down. It's common sense, you don't need to shoot them.
 
Eg. said:
thats why shotguns are good, a hot to the leg wont killm but they wont rob again
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I'd expect nothing less from you.

As burner says, the majority of burglars will scarper if they're caught. There will be some who may be extremely violent, but there really ought to be an acceptable limit with regards to permissible retaliatory force. And a shotgun does not come into that category.

There was an incident in 1996 where a local man went into a primary school (Dunblane in Scotland) and killed 16 children and one teacher. Subsequently there was an amnesty on handguns that got an extremely good reaction - 160, 000 guns to be precise.
To say that afterwards there has been no gun crime would be a lie. There has been a rise in recent times, however:
a) To claim that the UK is one of the most dangerous countries in the Western world is both false and insulting.
b) There is no correlation, as far as I am aware, between any rises in crime or the ban on handguns.
c) I would wager that deaths due to illegal gun ownership in the US (or many other Western nations, for that matter) are not proportionately equal or smaller than that of the UK.

I live in an area of London called Hackney. It's a relatively poor borough (or at least it has been in the past - things are picking up somewhat now) and has a crime problem. There are shootings. There are drug problems. There is street crime.
I have only ever been affected by the latter, but I don't think that every person is going to get mugged and besides - I was a pasty little white teenager. A fairly easy target, I fear.

For university I live in Reading, Berkshire. This town has recently been given the dubious distinction of gun crime capital of the South. There was a drive-by shooting at the end of my road a week ago.

Gun crime? Drug dealing? Do these affect me? No, of course they f*cking don't. God forbid. The simple fact is - and the right-wing tabloid media is loathe to mention this - you only really run the risk of being gunned down if you get into serious gang rivalries, or drug-dealing or some other kind of heavy, violent crime.

And then these same newspapers claim that, if you're a felon you deserve whatever's coming your way.
 
My experience of the terrifying crime wave in our fair Isles:

4 years ago, I lost my debit card and it got frauded by cashback for about £200 quid before I cancelled it (the bank covered it for me)

Just before Christmas, I got a smack in the eye off some townies I mouthed off to when drunk

That's it. I'm 22. I've lived in big cities all my adult life...
 
This country is being stereotyped as "chavland" where all crime rates are high. ive never heard so much BS in my life, lol ...

here is what some people think of The United Kingdom:D
 
PvtRyan said:
According to FOX, we're (netherlands) baby killing nazi's, and our country is being torn apart by violent crime, all women are prostitutes and we're all drug addicts.
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It's true though. :|
 
mortiz said:
It's true though. :|
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EVERY country in the world gets stereotyped and it really gets on my nerves.

according to people from other countries, we all love and worship our queen, wear bowler hats, never brush out teeth, have a posh london accent, and all live in mansions.

its laughable.. :sleep: lol
 
K e r b e r o s said:
But, you also live in Derby.
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Derby has a large share of shitty urban areas too. No, the crime rates are definately not that bad.

I thought you were an American o_o
 
Derbys okay in some places ... and well, Kerberos has a mixed European and Indian heritage. :D

Well, here's what my "blood" mostly consists of ...

Some African-American; sometime after the Civil War.
Mostly German; baseline for my skin color
Some American Indian; I dunno when, but I'm .. registered :D
Some ... apparently Indoneasiansaisnsains ... but I have no idea where.
 
It depends on the area, some places in Manchester, Newcastle, especially Liverpool, etc, are warzones where the police can't do anything. But mostly, it is pretty good, apart from some drunken, drugged up idiots on a Friday night, Saturday night fighting.
 
Razor said:
It depends on the area, some places... especially Liverpool, etc, are warzones where the police can't do anything.
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Boris? Is that you?
 
I'd just like to say that this point... beware what you take in from people telling you what the UK is like. Its far too diverse for even all the British people on these boards to summarise.

Also remember that we really know very little about the correlation between crime and gun proliferation. Its simply impossible to do studies when the ones you need to poll and question will not be truthful.
 
Razor said:
It depends on the area, some places in Manchester, Newcastle, especially Liverpool, etc, are warzones where the police can't do anything. But mostly, it is pretty good, apart from some drunken, drugged up idiots on a Friday night, Saturday night fighting.
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Hey. Newcastle's great. Don't believe what you see on Byker Grove. :cheese:

But it's true, about the Friday nights with all the drunk and drugged up people in the city centres. For just about all the major UK cities.
 
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