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I just believe he created the universe for some reason and doesn't interfere much with it...I don't know if thats rational or not.Deist seems like the most logical label for me I guess...Lil' Timmy said:what's wrong with labels? stop being pussies, jesus. labels are perfectly normal, perfect good tools of understanding if they are based on substantive distinctions. w/o the ability to reduce and classify, life never would have evolved out of the primordial soup. if you have a problem with the way some people use labels, remember that it's the way the person thinks that you dislike, not the label itself. being judgmental arises from stupidity, not classification.
tron: by your definition of deist, you seem to be implying that you have a rational foundation for you belief in god.. i'm curious to know what that rational foundation is.
ah, so your previous definition of deist was in fact erroneous. well played.Tr0n said:I just believe he created the universe for some reason and doesn't interfere much with it...I don't know if thats rational or not.Deist seems like the most logical label for me I guess...
poksmote said:Religion is the main cause for war, suffering, and intolerance. It is a disease plaguing mankind, and should not be society's primary source for social norms. It is brainwashing nonsense and nothing more.
Razor said:I believe in God, i believe he is up there looking over us, i believe in Heaven and Hell and the after life. I do not believe in religion, when most religions would tell me that half of my friends are unworthy under the eyes of god due to their beliefs or their sexuality, they can kiss my bum. God made every man, woman and child equal, so why should i believe religions who persecute, murder, alienate and ruin the lives of people they don't believe are worthy under the name of God.
Joims said:i do not believe in religion i believe in science
CptStern said:waste of time to ponder the meaning of something that doesnt exist
So you have exchange the beleifs of one book written by men, for another.
Apos said:It's pretty weird to see people acting as if Catholic and Christian were two different things.
Science isn't a book, and it isn't based around arguments from authority. It's a process of inquiry based around testing claims, rather than just flatly declaring them to be true, end of story.
Apos said:It's pretty weird to see people acting as if Catholic and Christian were two different things.
Yakuza said:Have you personely, seen and participated in all of the experiments and truth that science claims to be apart of.
There are some fairly substantial differences between Protestants and Catholics. Much more than the differences between various Protestant denominations.
Then again, what do you care? I must be some sort of nut for believing in religion.
Yakuza said:How do you know?
Apos said:There are some fairly substantial differences between apples and oranges, but both are fruit. Some anti-Catholic Protestants (like Jack Chick) run around claiming that Catholics are not Christians, and it's a bit scary to see that nonsense become an unthinking assumption.
Lying about what I have said or believe doesn't get you anywhere. I don't believe that the religious are nuts.
Apos said:Nope. But then that's part of the process: each of those claims isn't just test_ed_ once and declared to be true for all: it's test_able_: by anyone. Being able to reproduce results, and indeed having to do so, over and over, all around the world, is precisely what keeps the practice honest and checked. Skeptics ultimately produce more surety and truth than true believers.
I know exactly your line of attack here, and it's meaningless. Of course everyone must to some extent trust that they are not a head in a virtual reality bubble. But there is fundamental difference between a process of inquiry and testing and a process of declaratory authority. Just because I've not personally confirmed each and every major claim myself by testing doesn't mean I can't be more certain about the validity of those results than some phrophet declaring this or that to be so: I can, because I know that those results are subject to constant hostile and skeptical review: they are sustained not by the claim of any central authority, but by surviving constant testing and attack.
CptStern said:because I've lived it ...it's not like I arbitrarily decided to not believe ...I came to that conclusion through reasearching facts, which is more that I can say about how religion comes to their conclusions
Apos said:It's pretty weird to see people acting as if Catholic and Christian were two different things.Actualy there are some differences.
#1. Pergatory
#2. We are not savd by works...
non need to continue.
Common sense. I have never seen the Atlantic Ocean. Would I be foolish to believe it is there? Science is based on a structure of logic founded on imperical evidence. This makes it unrefutable, and any attempts to dismantle it as a belief structure only undermines all belief structures, as then there can be no proof of anything, or believe anything we hear from anyone.Yakuza said:What makes your truth more valid than My truth.
'Fraid so.Becuase I believe in the supernatural my truth is less valid?
bgesley426 said:I like Yakuza's post count. 666 HOW APPROPRIATE.
f|uke said:Common sense. I have never seen the Atlantic Ocean. Would I be foolish to believe it is there?
"Atheism is so senseless. When I look at the solar system. I see the earth at the right distance from the sun to receive the proper amounts of heat and light. This did not happen by chance."
Ikerous said:::feels your mark::
So soft ^_^