What they were rewriting after the L.E.A.K since there IS NO MP!?

[ZeeM]

They said they rewrote the MP part of the game in order to prevent cheating because of the source code leak??? What the hell did they rewrite since there is no MP? And don`t tell me CS:S cause they didn`t even announce it back then and gabe also said that hl2 mp is something new and cool etc

How stupid can they be to not add dm support :angry:

Let the flaming begin...

 

[RoyaleWithCheese]

noone knows. maybe they really did mean cs:s back then. And whether that's stupid, time will tell. I couldn't care less for hl2dm, I just want sp

 

[VodkA-HLC-]

they were not re-writing anything. Only 40 percent of half life 2 was done. They HAD to finish it. That's what took so long.....

 

[Homer]

They lied their asses off back in 03. bastages.

 

[ZeeM]

the thing is no matter how much the re lying we still think they`re the best...
oh the blindness...

 

[hi_ted]

CS :S is the official HL2 multiplayer

 

[fragnemesis]

Guys, you are blind. Once the source was leaked, it was apparent that both Counter-Strike and Team Fortress were somewhere within the source code.

 

[KurtCobain]

What did valve do after source code theft ?, if thats what u mean

They were finishing the friggin game. the 'leak' as u like to call it wasnt a finished or semi finished products by any stretch of the imagination.

Sorry but i think this is a pointless thread

PS: Why do u think they lied ?

 

[ZeeM]

they said they not only had to finish the game but also rewrite the mp part code (which does not exist...)

 

[liPillON]

They said they rewrote the MP part of the game in order to prevent cheating because of the source code leak??? What the hell did they rewrite since there is no MP? And don`t tell me CS:S cause they didn`t even announce it back then and gabe also said that hl2 mp is something new and cool etc

How stupid can they be to not add dm support :angry:

Let the flaming begin...

you know... there's multiplayer content (the game) and multiplayer technology (the engine netcode)

 

[Varsity]

It's *Source* that has MP code. HL2 is just a game based on it.

 

[Tropico]

They had to say something about changing the engine Troika had already bought Source.

 

[PvtRyan]

they said they not only had to finish the game but also rewrite the mp part code (which does not exist...)

You dumbass. They were talking about the network code.

 

[Andy018]

I personally believe that there was at one point a HL2 multiplayer of some sort and who knows it could still be cooking for release AFTER the game ala Unreal 2. But I reckon the first incarnation that was being made when the source code was leaked has since been canned due to ... Time constraints.

personal opinion though

 

[FISKER_Q]

You dumbass. They were talking about the network code.

Also wasn't it something about multiplayer not being available in the leak? I believe i heard something about the game crashing if someone tried to join a game.

 

[Ames]

Whine whine whine whine whine whine!

Whine whine whine? WHINE! Whine. :O

 

[Zeus]

They lied.

 

[subtlesnake]

No they didn't lie. CS:S is the multiplayer, and what they had to re-write was Source's networking code.

 

[HybridM]

OK, as someone already pointed out, the network code is part of the source engine. Whether HL2 ever had a multiplayer component is utterly irrelevant. Valve are not going to try and and sell a complete game engine like Source without netcode.

As it happens, valve are using the netcode in source for CS:S and TF2 etc. anyway.

 

[Mountain Man]

What the hell did they rewrite since there is no MP?

That would be the multiplayer net code.

Here's a dollar. Buy a clue.

 

[wonkers]

What's the point in fixing CS. So what. Now they will have to take 3 months after release to hack the crap out of it instead of right away?

I say just forget it. The only anti-cheat is a good admin and they are few and far between.

 

[subtlesnake]

It means they can have some hope of actually defeating the cheaters (for short periods of time at least). The more the hackers know about the engine, the easier it will be to circumvent any measures taken by Valve.

 

[cadaveca]

they did DX9 textures(i base this on the first binks being DX8.1, the newer ones are 9.b).
Netcode.
HL:S and DOD:S.
Finished the shine on the SDK.


Really tho...get the "Raising the Bar" book..it will tell you all the gory little details. When you think about Valve investing thier own moeny, I'm sure they weren't "just sitting there".

 

[subtlesnake]

Actually I think the "gory" details will be reserved for the Gamespot article.

 

[Reaperman]

Also note: there probibly was HL2DM at some point, but they had to cut a lot out back in late 03 so they could get the game done...


also note: hydra, game manual, OICW, ect...

 

[Star]

Valve said al lot of b*ll sh*t from E3 2003 to nowdays, I really can't understand how some people still estimate them....

 

[ZeeM]

You dumbass. They were talking about the network code.

You know, I already can tell your age. But if I`m mistaken about your age then it`s just because you haven`t grown up yet. Stop being stupid and insulting/flaming everyone you see.
This must be the first forum I see after sucks500.com where everyone insults each other just because he thinks he is smarter than everyone else.

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I also don`t remember them talking about the netcode only but the whole mp part of The Game. Sorry if I`m mistaken.

 

[ne0_shiny]

they said they not only had to finish the game but also rewrite the mp part code (which does not exist...)

didnt they say that they made mp but took it out and replaced it with cs:s cuz they were unsatisfied with it....

 

[Jesus Lincoln]

I think back then they were PLANNING hl2dm, there was some netcode, and people could play online using a program made by some guy (and hell no, i wont link) i have seen screenshots of this MP, it was real crap, i dont know if it was really a DM, but it was there, and people would play around with the buggy on home made maps and stuff

 

[koopa]

You don't 'rewrite' a bunch of (presumably working) network code just because the source has leaked. That makes no sense - the new code might be buggy, you aren't going to completely change the design at such a late stage in development - so you're just changing (maybe buggily) a load of code that already works. Which is dumb.

I think it's more likely that they would perhaps audit the code looking for weak points, etc. I think it's even more likely that they either a) lied about what they were doing or b) one of the PR people (gabe/doug) got the wrong idea and just assumed.

 

[subtlesnake]

You don't 'rewrite' a bunch of (presumably working) network code just because the source has leaked. That makes no sense - the new code might be buggy, you aren't going to completely change the design at such a late stage in development - so you're just changing (maybe buggily) a load of code that already works. Which is dumb.

It doesn't matter if it works. Because who's going to play a multiplayer game that's impossible to secure against cheating?

And they've had plenty of time to refine the new code - the overall structure of the netcode shouldn't have changed, afterall.

 

[Top Secret]

You know, I already can tell your age. But if I`m mistaken about your age then it`s just because you haven`t grown up yet. Stop being stupid and insulting/flaming everyone you see.
This must be the first forum I see after sucks500.com where everyone insults each other just because he thinks he is smarter than everyone else.

Don't go on that stupid "I'm more mature than you" bullshit. He had a right to be pissed, because it's threads like this where "not so smart" people get rumors from. Someone from this thread is going to read it, think Valve originally had a HLDM MP, and lied about the leak now. When they were really re-writing the engine net code.

I don't recall him being smarter than everyone else, but I do recall him being right. Dipshit.

 

[koopa]

It doesn't matter if it works. Because who's going to play a multiplayer game that's impossible to secure against cheating?

Ok, so how are they going to secure it against cheating the 2nd time around? I mean, they've had HL1, CS, 5+ years of experience with the kind of cheats people use and the vulnerabilities in the HL1 code... I'm not sure what they know the 2nd time around on Source that they didn't know the first time around. You work on the basis that the code is freely available anyway, because it's fairly easy to disassemble it.

And they've had plenty of time to refine the new code - the overall structure of the netcode shouldn't have changed, afterall.

That's exactly why I can't see the point of just rewriting it - there's only a limited number of ways to code things, and if the overall structure is the same what's really different?

 

[ZeeM]

Don't go on that stupid "I'm more mature than you" bullshit. He had a right to be pissed, because it's threads like this where "not so smart" people get rumors from. Someone from this thread is going to read it, think Valve originally had a HLDM MP, and lied about the leak now. When they were really re-writing the engine net code.

I don't recall him being smarter than everyone else, but I do recall him being right. Dipshit.

you read this thread IF you want. If you don`t like it just ignore it. If I`ll search his 3000 posts I`m sure I`ll find lots of bullshit that I don`t like but I won`t act like an idiot an start insulting him. You see, there are ppl that replied to this thread and did not use a single insult. Calling someone dumbass without a reason is a sign of immaturity don`t you think?

 

[koopa]

Someone from this thread is going to read it, think Valve originally had a HLDM MP, and lied about the leak now. When they were really re-writing the engine net code.

I think we can be pretty sure that if Valve didn't lie to us, they did at least intentionally mislead us. Take your pick about which subject, there have been so many - but I'd be surprised if there are many who really believe Valve have told the truth 100% of the time. Maybe they *did* have an HLDM MP - we'll probably never know. And we don't *know* they were rewriting the net code either. So we're all just speculating and guessing, ok?

 

[UndeadScottsman]

As it's been said before, they rewrote the netcode, not HL2 MP. They did this because the leak basicly gave hackers a direct roadmap to all of the vulnabilities in the network code. By rewriting the netcode, the hackers will have to hack the game the old fashion way.

 

[koopa]

As it's been said before, they rewrote the netcode, not HL2 MP. They did this because the leak basicly gave hackers a direct roadmap to all of the vulnabilities in the network code. By rewriting the netcode, the hackers will have to hack the game the old fashion way.

I don't think anybody claimed that they rewrote HL2 MP. I wish they would rewrite it!!

So, timeline:
A) Valve write netcode
B) Code gets leaked
C) OH NO THERE ARE VULNERABILITIES IN IT WHICH NOW WE'll FIX BUT BEFORE WE WEREN'T GOING TO THINK ABOUT UNTIL THEY GOT EXPLOITED EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE THERE ALL THE TIME???
D) It gets hacked anyway

Step C don't make no sense. I mean, they do audit this important stuff before sending it out, right? Maybe they don't, which perhaps explains how there were so many cheats&hacks in CS for so long. Anyway, I would now like to claim my 'HL2.net Chief Pedant' badge, where do I apply?

 

[subtlesnake]

You work on the basis that the code is freely available anyway, because it's fairly easy to disassemble it.

Well if everything is freely available then I don't see why Valve would re-write it.

That's exactly why I can't see the point of just rewriting it - there's only a limited number of ways to code things, and if the overall structure is the same what's really different?

I don't know. But Valve must have had reason enough to scrap months of work.

 

[CyberPitz]

you read this thread IF you want. If you don`t like it just ignore it. If I`ll search his 3000 posts I`m sure I`ll find lots of bullshit that I don`t like but I won`t act like an idiot an start insulting him. You see, there are ppl that replied to this thread and did not use a single insult. Calling someone dumbass without a reason is a sign of immaturity don`t you think?

You didn't even search through his 3000 posts and you insulted him already! calling him immature and what not seems like an insult to me. Now quit being a hypocrite please.

back on topic: Why do we continually dwell on this subject? There is ABSOLUTLY no way we can figure out what the truth is. Why don't you just believe what they say (not like if you don't believe them, anything is going to happen) and just move on. So what if they lied about this and that, you are getting the game, right?

 

[ZeeM]

You didn't even search through his 3000 posts and you insulted him already! calling him immature and what not seems like an insult to me. Now quit being a hypocrite please.

Immature for calling someone dumbass without a reason...
Have you read the whole thread from the beginning?
And neither he did search my posts which are like 1/20 of his and without a single insult.