What would keep you from joining the military?

[ríomhaire]

I've come to grips with the fact and now I don't care anymore.

So you don't want to die because not wanting to die means you have no urge to die. :imu:

 

[Dario D.]

You cannot expect us to respect your views if you absolutely fail to respect ours.

I do not want to join the army, because the army participates in war, and wars kills thousands of people who do not deserve to die.

The reason we went to war is because thousands of innocent people who didn't deserve to die were killed on American soil.

I understand what you mean, but don't forget that we're fighting an enemy who needs nothing but *time* to grow before they can attack us again... and again... and again... If we had left them alone, I can't say how many times we'd been attacked since then, because the war has very effectively locked them down in their hole, and stopped them from killing thousands upon thousands more Americans, and spreading mass panic and terror. Without our efforts, they would just grow... and grow... and grow... and grow...

People seem to forget that they want us dead (attacking our towers, Pentagon, and White House wasn't a random plane accident - they like what they did, and won't stop till America doesn't exist anymore), and strive every day to find more and new ways to come to our soil and kill us, which they've been stopped from doing. When they attacked the US the first time, they were surprised (and delighted) that the towers fell, and didn't expect it. Now it's probably their best and favorite plan. If we hadn't gone to war, I fail to comprehend how many bridges or important buildings would be remaining in the US, and what the economy would look like.

-- Replying to the original post, I'm not outdoorsy enough to join the marines (it's hard for me to tolerate extended periods of discomfort), but if they had electric blankets and air conditioners inside your clothes, I wouldn't mind it so much, especially if the deployment is interesting.

 

[el Chi]

1. My desire not to kill.
2. My desire not to be killed.
3. My lack of a sense of devout patriotism.
4. My distaste for seceding my autonomy to such a stringent, determenistic organisation.
5. My brain.

 

[Danimal]

Bah, War is just an excuse for murder.

 

[$kelet0r]

The reason we went to war is because thousands of innocent people who didn't deserve to die were killed on American soil.

I understand what you mean, but don't forget that we're fighting an enemy who needs nothing but *time* to grow before they can attack us again... and again... and again... If we had left them alone, I can't say how many times we'd been attacked since then, because the war has very effectively locked them down in their hole, and stopped them from killing thousands upon thousands more Americans, and spreading mass panic and terror. Without our efforts, they would just grow... and grow... and grow... and grow...

People seem to forget that they want us dead (attacking our towers, Pentagon, and White House wasn't a random plane accident - they like what they did, and won't stop till America doesn't exist anymore), and strive every day to find more and new ways to come to our soil and kill us, which they've been stopped from doing. When they attacked the US the first time, they were surprised (and delighted) that the towers fell, and didn't expect it. Now it's probably their best and favorite plan. If we hadn't gone to war, I fail to comprehend how many bridges or important buildings would be remaining in the US, and what the economy would look like.

-- Replying to the original post, I'm not outdoorsy enough to join the marines (it's hard for me to tolerate extended periods of discomfort), but if they had electric blankets and air conditioners inside your clothes, I wouldn't mind it so much, especially if the deployment is interesting.

Christ
Do you really believe that?
How is that possible after all this time that you can say something so naive and ignorant?

 

[ríomhaire]

The reason we went to war is because thousands of innocent people who didn't deserve to die were killed on American soil.

I understand what you mean, but don't forget that we're fighting an enemy who needs nothing but *time* to grow before they can attack us again... and again... and again... If we had left them alone, I can't say how many times we'd been attacked since then, because the war has very effectively locked them down in their hole, and stopped them from killing thousands upon thousands more Americans, and spreading mass panic and terror. Without our efforts, they would just grow... and grow... and grow... and grow...

People seem to forget that they want us dead (attacking our towers, Pentagon, and White House wasn't a random plane accident - they like what they did, and won't stop till America doesn't exist anymore), and strive every day to find more and new ways to come to our soil and kill us, which they've been stopped from doing. When they attacked the US the first time, they were surprised (and delighted) that the towers fell, and didn't expect it. Now it's probably their best and favorite plan. If we hadn't gone to war, I fail to comprehend how many bridges or important buildings would be remaining in the US, and what the economy would look like.

-- Replying to the original post, I'm not outdoorsy enough to join the marines (it's hard for me to tolerate extended periods of discomfort), but if they had electric blankets and air conditioners inside your clothes, I wouldn't mind it so much, especially if the deployment is interesting.

Do you honestly believe that the invasions are just causing more terrorist attacks? Actualy, the military are protecting you as now most attacks are on the soldiers, not in America.

 

[Dario D.]

Christ
Do you really believe that?
How is that possible after all this time that you can say something so naive and ignorant?

So, you think if we'd have stayed here, everything would be nice and intact, and they never would have attacked again?

 

[$kelet0r]

but but but :|
Iraq wasnt the problem - that's like invading Ireland because Spanish terrorists had bombed a street

You scare me

 

[TheHamster22]

A good old war from time to time is a good thing.

I believe they were saying that just before world war one too ;(

 

[Steve]

Hey. WWII helped get us outta the great depression.

 

[MiccyNarc]

No. Nobody deserves to die.

I disagree. I say everyone deserves to die, and they do.

 

[el Chi]

Well that depends what you mean by "deserves"?
Do you mean, it's dreadful being alive and thank God for the sweet release of finite inevitability or do you mean you hate all humanity and that everyone's rubbish?

Hey. WWII helped get us outta the great depression.

But at what cost, Steve? At what cost?

 

[ríomhaire]

You scare me

http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1843096&postcount=86
It's allright to be scared.

 

[CptStern]

The reason we went to war is because thousands of innocent people who didn't deserve to die were killed on American soil.

is that why you invaded iraq? because of 9/11? you cant actually believe that nonsense

I understand what you mean, but don't forget that we're fighting an enemy who needs nothing but *time* to grow before they can attack us again... and again... and again... If we had left them alone,

iraqis? the invasion of iraq perpetuates terrorism, you knew that going in, you were warned it would increase terrorism but you didnt care ...here's why: the war on terror is a sham, they couldnt care less about the victems of 9/11 or terrorism, this is a means to an end: iraq. They've wanted iraq since the late 80's ..9/11 was the perfect pretext to invasion, the perfect excuse, and people like you followed blindly like sheep ..and now thousands of americans are lying in a pine box because of it

I can't say how many times we'd been attacked since then, because the war has very effectively locked them down in their hole, and stopped them from killing thousands upon thousands more Americans, and spreading mass panic and terror. Without our efforts, they would just grow... and grow... and grow... and grow...

nonsense, complete and utter drivel. The war in iraq increased terror not decreased it

People seem to forget that they want us dead (attacking our towers, Pentagon, and White House wasn't a random plane accident - they like what they did, and won't stop till America doesn't exist anymore), and strive every day to find more and new ways to come to our soil and kill us, which they've been stopped from doing. When they attacked the US the first time, they were surprised (and delighted) that the towers fell, and didn't expect it. Now it's probably their best and favorite plan. If we hadn't gone to war, I fail to comprehend how many bridges or important buildings would be remaining in the US, and what the economy would look like.

again, is this why you invaded iraq? that's like saying you should have declared war on Australia because the japanese attacked pearl harbor

-- Replying to the original post, I'm not outdoorsy enough to join the marines (it's hard for me to tolerate extended periods of discomfort), but if they had electric blankets and air conditioners inside your clothes, I wouldn't mind it so much, especially if the deployment is interesting.

you're pathetic, you cite personal comfort as the reason why you dont join the military yet you completely justify and believe that the war in iraq is in defense of america. You're worse than a coward, you're a fool

My job is to make sure you dont have to know fear from a foreign power.
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I truely feel sorry for you, you're giving away your life to people who wouldnt do the same for you, in fact they see you as expendable. They manipulated evidence to justify invasion and more than 2000 americans paid the ultimate price for it ..do you really want to die for a lie?

 

[Steve]

But at what cost, Steve? At what cost?

I'm not sure I follow. :E

 

[kirovman]

I don't believe any Iraqi citizens were involved with 9/11 at all...

 

[LiquidToast]

1.) I hate work
2.) I hate doing stuff
3.) I hate change
4.) I dont wanna go anywhere
5.) I'm Anti-(aiding killing ppl)

I agree on everything but the last one.

 

[drunkymonkey]

I'd rather not kill people, and I'd rather not have people kill other people.

I'm scum you know.

I'm a pacifist.

 

[kirovman]

I'd rather not kill people, and I'd rather not have people kill other people.

I'm scum you know.

I'm a pacifist.

You will burn for this, Heretic!

Nice location BTW.

 

[drunkymonkey]

You will burn for this, Heretic!

Nice location BTW.

Hehe, thanks.

 

[Dario D.]

what CptStern said...

I meant our deployment in the middle east in general, under the guise of "the war on terror"... not neccessarily Iraq.

 

[$kelet0r]

http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1843096&postcount=86
It's allright to be scared.

OH. MY. GOD.
Someone put Dario D out of his misery now - he is one ****ed up individual.

 

[CptStern]

I meant our deployment in the middle east in general, under the guise of "the war on terror"... not neccessarily Iraq.

my statements still stand ..the war on terror IS the war in iraq

 

[FoB_Ed]

I wouldn't join, simply because I'm nonviolent. I couldn't kill anyone without turning my back on everything I am and believe in. Who am I to judge whether a man is to live or die? Simply put, if a man has a gun pointed at me, and I have one in my hand, I would rather be killed than shoot him out of selfishness for my own life.

Or at least I would like to think this. Who can say what I would actually do if the situation really happened? In any case, I believe the US is gearing for war in Iran. I mean, just look at how the media is conditioning us to believe that Iran is a threat to our security at home. It feels exactly the same as in late 2002 and early 2003, when we were being led to war with Iraq. I don't want to be a part of the war machine. Yea, I would choose to encourage life rather than destroy it.

 

[AmishSlayer]

FoB_Ed...I don't believe that for one second. So you're saying if somebody was about to kill you, you'd let him just so you wouldn't have to hurt somebody? You'd make an easy hostage. He'd have a gun to your head and you'd be saying, "Do whatever you need to me, just don't get hurt"

Let me ask you guys something whlie still staying away from this discussion:

What do you think of the soldiers that are in Iraq right now?

And I don't want to just hear, "Bring them home".

 

[Solaris]

Let me ask you guys something whlie still staying away from this discussion:

What do you think of the soldiers that are in Iraq right now?

And I don't want to just hear, "Bring them home".

I hold them responcable for their actions. However, the blame lies on our selves (tax payers ) for funding such a deed.

 

[Raeven0]

I wouldn't, for personal reasons. You don't need (nor want, really) to hear about them.

But, actually, I think it'd be neat to be in the USAF.

The National Guard, Army, and Marines scare me.

 

[SenorDingDong]

Why would anyone have a desire to join the army?

Id much rather live a normal, life get married have kids. etc.

 

[short recoil]

Why would anyone have a desire to join the army?

Id much rather live a normal, life get married have kids. etc.

Lol, get married have kids.

 

[Raeven0]

Why would anyone have a desire to join the army?

I think this makes about as much sense as "Why would anyone have a desire to eat Chinese food?"

 

[15357]

I think this makes about as much sense as "Why would anyone have a desire to eat Chinese food?"

qft...

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

HAHA ok stern that guy is NO WAY A MARINE. hes a army bitch haha. No wonder he got screwed, even i hate the army. that would never happen in the Marines, you know what you are getting into when you join the marines, every marine is a rifleman.

Your marines > army stuff is getting lame.

Although I can understand because you've just enlisted within the USMC and that's very honorable, just don't dog on the Army- dog on the rear and whatever as much as you please but every infantryman or related field has an unseverable bond with infantrymen from every branch.

As for the thread question- I don't know. I guess any future health issues but that's more of something that would RESTRICT me from joining, not from a commitment to serve.

 

[DeusExMachina]

I find it retarded how each branch thinks they're better than one another.

 

[Smoke]

I`ve always wanted to join the Army, the BRITISH ARMY.

 

[Mr-Fusion]

Well war is a piece of shit. IT's great watching documentaries interviewing old war veterans and seeing them collapse into sobbing little child when they're forced to recall memories of the carnage and losing friends. Rewind 60 years and they're a youthful kid excited to go off to battle.

The youthful excited pro-war kids in here should learn something from how those old guys view war.

There's no reason to join the military today unless you strongly believe invading and securing oil rich countries is important to the survival of western civilisation. When we hit peak oil, Iran knows the U.S will try and take their oil by force which is why they're working as hard as possible to get the best invasion deterrant, nukes. Wouldn't you?

 

[15357]

Well war is a piece of shit. IT's great watching documentaries interviewing old war veterans and seeing them collapse into sobbing little child when they're forced to recall memories of the carnage and losing friends. Rewind 60 years and they're a youthful kid excited to go off to battle.

The youthful excited pro-war kids in here should learn something from how those old guys view war.

There's no reason to join the military today unless you strongly believe invading and securing oil rich countries is important to the survival of western civilisation. When we hit peak oil, Iran knows the U.S will try and take their oil by force which is why they're working as hard as possible to get the best invasion deterrant, nukes. Wouldn't you?

Well, they didn't have goatse and ogrish back then.

War is going to happen, sooner or later.

 

[French Ninja]

I find it retarded how each branch thinks they're better than one another.

It's a love-hate relationship!

 

[kelt'ar]

Why would anyone have a desire to join the army?

Id much rather live a normal, life get married have kids. etc.

I can answer that question for you. In my case, because I couldn't find a white-collar job, and working in the military certainly beats mixing concrete and flipping burgers at McDonald's.... With my college degree, I'll probably become an officer.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

I can answer that question for you. In my case, because I couldn't find a white-collar job, and working in the military certainly beats mixing concrete and flipping burgers at McDonald's.... With my college degree, I'll probably become an officer.

You need to sign up specifically for OTS if you're looking to become an officer outside of ROTC and you have a college degree.

If you just enlist, you won't be commissioned, you will however be automatically promoted. (In the Army to Specialist, Air Force I believe Senior Airman, not sure what it is for the others)

 

[CptStern]

it doesnt strike you as odd that you seem to know more about enlisting than kelt'ar (knghenry) does? you'd think that anyone making such a huge decision would at least understand the basics

Well war is a piece of shit. IT's great watching documentaries interviewing old war veterans and seeing them collapse into sobbing little child when they're forced to recall memories of the carnage and losing friends. Rewind 60 years and they're a youthful kid excited to go off to battle.

The youthful excited pro-war kids in here should learn something from how those old guys view war.

QFT