Which presidental canidate would you vote for?

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It's disturbing that the nutjob Ron Paul has this much support. Thank God hl2.net doesn't decide the outcome of the election.
 
wtf? Ron Paul isn't a nutjob, he's the most sound minded politican to surface in America today. He has the guts to stand up and talk about the debt based system and real factors that lead to the massive defecits the country is in, being directley related to private banks such as the FED.

He wants to change the system for the better, to how founding fathers had it, with the people controlling the gold and the countries wealth, not just in the hands of the few private banks. The rest are nothing but Bilderberg ****s, politican patsies used as tools for the banking families and large corporate entities.
 
clarky003 said:
wtf? Ron Paul isn't a nutjob, he's the most sound minded politican to surface in America today. He has the guts to stand up and talk about the debt based system and real factors that lead to the massive defecits the country is in, being directley related to private banks such as the FED.

He wants to change the system for the better, to how founding fathers had it, until they were picked off by the elitest Bilderberg ****s and their politican patsies that you would rather support.
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A good politician also has to be a realist. Will his proposed changes make it through Congress? Doubtful.
 
Because congress is corrupt, wake up. Your country isn't run by the people anymore, it's all a happy land facade for those who don't give a shit, besides it's the ideal that matters. If you don't believe in a republic then you might aswell not vote, idealisim or not his message is true and it could be done with enough pressure from the masses.

It would consequently strengthen the US and it's people and take the power away from the rockerfellers and the bilderberg group, rather than continuing to drive it further into debt using the FED, which was illegally and subversively created in the first place.
 
Ron Paul wants the US to leave the UN and NATO, he doesn't believe in evolution, he's against abortion and thinks dismantling the entire goverment will help the poor. Sounds like a nutjob to me.
 
clarky003 said:
Because congress is corrupt, wake up. Your country isn't run by the people anymore, it's all a happy land facade for those who don't give a shit, besides it's the ideal that matters. If you don't believe in a republic then you might aswell not vote, idealisim or not his message is true and it could be done with enough pressure from the masses.

It would consequently strengthen the US and it's people and take the power away from the rockerfellers and the bilderberg group, rather than continuing to drive it further into debt using the FED, which was illegally and subversively created in the first place.
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Ron paul getting into office won't magically make Congress un-corrupt. "The masses" you talk about won't make a bit of difference. You're the one that needs to wake up and see that not only will he not make it into office and if he did he will not be able to enact any positive changes. The best he can hope to do is pass a few smaller things which will probably do more to hurt the country than help it.

As an American, I understand how apathetic my fellow countrymen are. Unless there's another 9/11 we won't give a shit.

Besides, you're looking at one part of his platform. He's about more than that. And none of it seems very good to me.
 
The Monkey said:
Ron Paul wants the US to leave the UN and NATO, he doesn't believe in evolution, he's against abortion and thinks dismantling the entire goverment will help the poor. Sounds like a nutjob to me.
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Which is precisly why I wouldn't vote for him.
 
IMO the two most important issues for America are economic stability and Mid East policy, so I'd vote Ron Paul.
 
The Monkey said:
Ron Paul wants the US to leave the UN and NATO, he doesn't believe in evolution, he's against abortion and thinks dismantling the entire goverment will help the poor. Sounds like a nutjob to me.
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I guess he believe in evolution, canditates who don't believe are Brownback, Tancredo and Huckabee. Leaving UN and NATO is just stupid isolationism.
 
Polaris said:
I guess he believe in evolution, canditates who don't believe are Brownback, Tancredo and Huckabee. Leaving UN and NATO is just stupid isolationism.
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Why do we still need NATO, cold war is over. The UN is also as shown by Iraq and Darfur a redundant organization, although I think America should sty in the UN, it's better then nothing.
 
Polaris said:
I guess he believe in evolution, canditates who don't believe are Brownback, Tancredo and Huckabee. Leaving UN and NATO is just stupid isolationism.
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Ron Paul didn't raise his hand, but he still thinks evolution is false.
 
Too many to choose from and too early to choose.
 
Mr Stabby said:
Why do we still need NATO, cold war is over. The UN is also as shown by Iraq and Darfur a redundant organization, although I think America should sty in the UN, it's better then nothing.
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Because a single military organization uniting the Western world is better than the countries acting on their own account with no external help?
 
Mikael Grizzly said:
Because a single military organization uniting the Western world is better than the countries acting on their own account with no external help?
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Acting against what? As a defensive organization it's obsolete, the EU has a pan-European defensive policy and America doesn't need help defending itself.
 
Mr Stabby said:
Acting against what? As a defensive organization it's obsolete, the EU has a pan-European defensive policy and America doesn't need help defending itself.
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Yes, it never had any problem with locating a few Arab terrorists before they could strike. :p

Why SHOULD we abolish NATO, tell me?
 
which presidential candidate isnt running with a "kill everyone to save america" platform? I'd vote for that guy
 
Mikael Grizzly said:
Yes, it never had any problem with locating a few Arab terrorists before they could strike. :p

Why SHOULD we abolish NATO, tell me?
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Al-queda is irrelevant to NATO, hence NATO is now redundant. NATO was a counter balance to the Warsaw pact. From a European perspective there is little reason to abolish NATO, although we would be fine without it. For America who basically pays for the whole thing and gets nothing in return there is not really any point.
 
Jesus Christ you guys are missing the point about Ron Paul.

The point is NOT "Does this politician believe in X or Y?"

It is "Is he going to force others to see what he believes."

And that is PRECISELY why I like Ron Paul.

He is PRO LIFE
He is ANTI DRUG
He is PRO RELIGEON
He is ANTI PROSTITUTION
He is ANTI SOCIALIZED HEALTH CARE

NONE of these things I am for. So why am I going to vote for him?

BECAUSE HE RECOGNIZES THAT THESE THINGS ARE HIS OPINION AND THAT OTHERS SHOULD DO AS THEY WISH.

It is so refreshing to see someone -- Liberal OR Conservative that recognizes that neither way is 100% definite.

Stern will tell you that only Liberals are sane, and that Conservatives are nuts, while a Conservative will tell you the opposite.

I say you're both retarded. And so I'm voting for the guy that is going to let me be exactly who I want to be. Anyone else? **** them.

All the Europeans are saying that we would be stupid to ditch the UN and NATO. I say we don't need you, and you don't need us. We were founded on isolationist beliefs, what's so wrong to staying to ourselves, what do you care?
 
Top Secret said:
Jesus Christ you guys are missing the point about Ron Paul.

The point is NOT "Does this politician believe in X or Y?"

It is "Is he going to force others to see what he believes."

And that is PRECISELY why I like Ron Paul.

He is PRO LIFE
He is ANTI DRUG
He is PRO RELIGEON
He is ANTI PROSTITUTION
He is ANTI SOCIALIZED HEALTH CARE

NONE of these things I am for. So why am I going to vote for him?

BECAUSE HE RECOGNIZES THAT THESE THINGS ARE HIS OPINION AND THAT OTHERS SHOULD DO AS THEY WISH.

It is so refreshing to see someone -- Liberal OR Conservative that recognizes that neither way is 100% definite.

Stern will tell you that only Liberals are sane, and that Conservatives are nuts, while a Conservative will tell you the opposite.

I say you're both retarded. And so I'm voting for the guy that is going to let me be exactly who I want to be. Anyone else? **** them.

All the Europeans are saying that we would be stupid to ditch the UN and NATO. I say we don't need you, and you don't need us. We were founded on isolationist beliefs, what's so wrong to staying to ourselves, what do you care?
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Paul talks a good game, but just seems like a wolf in sheep's clothing to me.

And I don't think isolationism is really relevant in the world today...
 
Top Secret said:
Jesus Christ you guys are missing the point about Ron Paul.

The point is NOT "Does this politician believe in X or Y?"

It is "Is he going to force others to see what he believes."

And that is PRECISELY why I like Ron Paul.

He is PRO LIFE
He is ANTI DRUG
He is PRO RELIGEON
He is ANTI PROSTITUTION
He is ANTI SOCIALIZED HEALTH CARE

NONE of these things I am for. So why am I going to vote for him?

BECAUSE HE RECOGNIZES THAT THESE THINGS ARE HIS OPINION AND THAT OTHERS SHOULD DO AS THEY WISH.

It is so refreshing to see someone -- Liberal OR Conservative that recognizes that neither way is 100% definite.

Stern will tell you that only Liberals are sane, and that Conservatives are nuts, while a Conservative will tell you the opposite.

I say you're both retarded. And so I'm voting for the guy that is going to let me be exactly who I want to be. Anyone else? **** them.

All the Europeans are saying that we would be stupid to ditch the UN and NATO. I say we don't need you, and you don't need us. We were founded on isolationist beliefs, what's so wrong to staying to ourselves, what do you care?
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the US leaving nato and the UN is more about accountability then wether america "needs" the UN. the US was instrumental in it's creation in founding it's laws/beliefs/charters ..it's more than a little suspect that now after all this time americans want to leave an organization that they shaped/molded to suit their purposes. They dont want to be told that their actions are illegal, they dont want accountability to anyone but americans ..which is extremely ironic because you expect the rest of the world to be accountable to you as seen by your role as self appointed global police ..and no I dont think american conservatives are nuts and the liberals are sane ..there's little that differentiates them in the grander scheme of things (foreign policy) so they're both "a little bit from column a and a little from column b" ..it's convienent for you and other americans to stereotype me into one category ..it makes it easier to dismiss/ignore my arguments


and like it or not personal convictions DO matter ..personally I wouldnt vote into office a creationist ..I mean if he cant be counted to recognize fairy tales when he sees them what chance does he have with every day issues etc ..plus it doesnt help that your beliefs attracted some of the most powerful influential religious groups in america ..I'd rather they didnt look over his shoulder


anyways, funny how no matter the subject my name always seem to come up ..it's almost as if the forum is made up of one person and the rest are just passerbys ...I dont live here you know (although I have cot in the basement for those late nights)
 
Despite his age Ron Paul is breathe of fresh air, however I think his nomination chances will get cock blocked somehow despite his grass roots popularity, simply because too many people have too much to loose if he did get elected (the man wants to kick the Federal reserve in the nuts). The vast majority of his party don't support his position on many things and that stance wouldn't change much even if he did find himself in the white house (by some miracle).
 
CptStern said:
and like it or not personal convictions DO matter ..personally I wouldnt vote into office a creationist ..I mean if he cant be counted to recognize fairy tales when he sees them what chance does he have with every day issues etc ..plus it doesnt help that your beliefs attracted some of the most powerful influential religious groups in america ..I'd rather they didnt look over his shoulder
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You state your opinion like it's fact. Get off of your podium and piss off. It's because of pathetic voters who don't vote for what they believe in that this country is as it is today.

Voting by party.
Voting by race or creed.
Voting by religion
Voting by the politicians own personal beliefs.

NO, Vote for what legislation they will pass. We are not electing Celebrities. You don't have to like them. We are electing politicians.

It is all IDIOTIC AND STUPID. STUPID

I bring your name up because you're hypocritical. You cannot slam someone for voting because of religion and then NOT vote for someone just because of their religion. It's the say problem inversed!
 
The United Nations is a completely toothless organization. Just like the League of Nations was.

History, it's what's for dinner.
 
Top Secret said:
You state your opinion like it's fact. Get off of your podium and piss off.
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fine debating form you're showing there

Top Secret said:
It's because of pathetic voters who don't vote for what they believe in that this country is as it is today.

Voting by party.
Voting by race or creed.
Voting by religion
Voting by the politicians own personal beliefs.

NO, Vote for what legislation they will pass. We are not electing Celebrities. You don't have to like them. We are electing politicians.

It is all IDIOTIC AND STUPID. STUPID
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the common man doesnt/doesnt care to understand the issues in their entirity they pick and choose what they do understand and vote accordingly

Top Secret said:
I bring your name up because you're hypocritical. You cannot slam someone for voting because of religion and then NOT vote for someone just because of their religion. It's the say problem inversed!
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which would be true IF you didnt twist my words to mean something they didnt

I didbt say I wouldnt vote someone in because of religion, I said I wouldnt vote for a creationist ..because they blindly accept a ridiculous fairy tale to explain the universe ..in any event you brought me up BEFORE mentioning the not voting for the creationist politician ...want a minute to come up with some other explanation?
 
How the f*ck does Ron Paul have so many votes on here? Seriously?

The man is a f*cking opinionated idealist. The funny thing is the changes he wants to make will likely only be found to be harmful after he leaves office. Funny that, eh?

I would vote Barrack Obama far before I voted for Ron Paul, and I say that as a registered Republican. Ron Paul is frightening because he doesn't seem to have thought through all the things he's suggesting. He's thinking they'll all work wonderfully, when in reality they'll probably work horribly in the short term, which means they'll likely be changed before they can work in the long term.
 
Right now I'm thinking Ron Paul; not because I support his ideas specifically, but because he seems 10x more honest than the other candidates & I think his ideas need to be in the Country's face to wake it the f*** up! The main thing I do support is smaller government; and he's the only politician I've heard say it that I actually believe.

The biggest problem we'd face is all those people who've become so dependent on government programs (a.k.a. lazy). It's sad when the government gets 1/3 of my money, but somehow still goes further and further into debt. I also think the money-system needs to be reorganized. We're too heavily based on a system of debt, rather than a system of productivity.
 
CptStern said:
I didbt say I wouldnt vote someone in because of religion, I said I wouldnt vote for a creationist ..because they blindly accept a ridiculous fairy tale to explain the universe ..in any event you brought me up BEFORE mentioning the not voting for the creationist politician ...want a minute to come up with some other explanation?
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We don't know if he's a creationist, not supporting evolution doesn't automatically make them a creationist.
 
phantomdesign said:
I also think the money-system needs to be reorganized. We're too heavily based on a system of debt, rather than a system of productivity.
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That's because the Federal reserve is a private bank not a government controlled concern.
 
Icarusintel said:
How the f*ck does Ron Paul have so many votes on here? Seriously?

The man is a f*cking opinionated idealist. The funny thing is the changes he wants to make will likely only be found to be harmful after he leaves office. Funny that, eh?
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learn about inflation , the federal reserve, the deficit and the history of American involvement in the middle east, and you won't be calling Ron Paul a fool. America cannot economically sustain it's foreign policy, Ron Paul is the only candidate who understands this.
 
Mr Stabby said:
learn about inflation , the federal reserve, the deficit and the history of American involvement in the middle east, and you won't be calling Ron Paul a fool. America cannot economically sustain it's foreign policy, Ron Paul is the only candidate who understands this.
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The funny thing is I have learned about all of that. I know there are a lot of problems with the system, but I can't see his changes working out the way he wants them to. There are too many obstacles, first and foremost being Congress.
 
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