Which presidental canidate would you vote for?

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Atomic_Piggy said:
DIG UP HIS BONES! PULL THEM APART! CURE GLOBAL WARMING! caps
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I don't think there's much to dig up; Darwin rolled over in his grave so much from PortalStormzzzzz's comments that his bones were ground to dust.
 
I lost my last respect to Ron Paul right here:
Consider the Lawrence case decided by the Supreme Court in June. The Court determined that Texas had no right to establish its own standards for private sexual conduct, because gay sodomy is somehow protected under the 14th amendment “right to privacy.” Ridiculous as sodomy laws may be, there clearly is no right to privacy nor sodomy found anywhere in the Constitution. There are, however, states’ rights – rights plainly affirmed in the Ninth and Tenth amendments. Under those amendments, the State of Texas has the right to decide for itself how to regulate social matters like sex, using its own local standards. But rather than applying the real Constitution and declining jurisdiction over a properly state matter, the Court decided to apply the imaginary Constitution and impose its vision on the people of Texas.
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http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul120.html

This guy has an unhealthy opsession with the constitution, as though it can never be wrong. He sees it as OK to ban homosexuals to have sex simply because a 230 old document doesn't say anything about it.
 
The Monkey said:
I lost my last respect to Ron Paul right here:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul120.html

This guy has an unhealthy opsession with the constitution, as though it can never be wrong. He sees it as OK to ban homosexuals to have sex simply because a 230 old document doesn't say anything about it.
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That's not what he said - he said that using the constitution as a legal argument against it is bogus.

Better an unhealthy obsession with the constitution than just using it as a tool for his own ends, as seems the trend these days - ignore the parts you don't like.
 
Ridiculous as sodomy laws may be, there clearly is no right to privacy nor sodomy found anywhere in the Constitution. There are, however, states? rights ? rights plainly affirmed in the Ninth and Tenth amendments.
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Stop your poor attempt to slander Ron Paul just because you don't agree with him.
 
Mr Stabby said:
Stop your poor attempt to slander Ron Paul just because you don't agree with him.
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I know a better way to slander him: He accepts money from Neo Nazis like Don Black of Stormfront.org

Ron Paul asked Mr. Black afterwards if he was a Nazi. He assured him he wasn't, and Ron Paul took his word for it. Can you say gullible? No? Willfully ignorant will also do. Oh, and after it was discovered that this guy posted on their forums, the moderators started deleting all his posts to cover the evidence.

Let's see... what do I have more? This pearl at their forums, explaining that the reasons links don't work is to avoid webmasters from tracking them down when they spam internet polls: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=62790

Maybe now we have an explanation of why Ron Paul's results on this poll are so high? Maybe we should call him Ron Poll from now on.

And the best, maybe the perfect finishing blow? All of this is a Zionist conspiracy according to the people on their forums. It's somewhere on whatreallyhappened.com I'll try digging it out.

Edit: Here it is - http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/whitesupremicistisisraelishill.php

So, all these allegations are made by the Israelly government. And the Ron Paul supporters are actually posting this as a response to people who ask about the Nazi thing on their forums, in case you haven't looked at the ronpaulforum.com
 
So if someone nutjob neo-nazi starts supporting you because you aren't to fond of Muslims, does that make you a nazi? That's an absurdly stupid logic to attack him for his supporters.


Edit: The thing Neo-Nazis like about Ron Paul, is that he isn't pro-Israel and he supports states rights, however the reasoning behind the two groups are entirely different.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcLSLGXypMY
 
The Monkey said:
I lost my last respect to Ron Paul right here:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul120.html

This guy has an unhealthy opsession with the constitution, as though it can never be wrong. He sees it as OK to ban homosexuals to have sex simply because a 230 old document doesn't say anything about it.
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He actually has more of a problem with judicial activism. States aren't allowed to ban homosexuality or contraceptive use because the supreme court decided that the first amendment implies a "right to privacy", by giving examples of freedom of one's own private expression through religion, speech and assembly. Ron Paul is stating that this right doesn't actually exist in the constitution, and would rather it be left to the states. One of the Supreme Court justices, Clarence Thomas, agrees. But Thomas also feels that the US government has no right of regulating interstate commerce and believes organizations like the FDA and the EPA are unconstitutional.

While this might be true, the precedent of judicial review declaring the right to privacy has become one of the fundamental civil rights in the courts and legislative systems. If it were revoked, there would be a political uprising from the left and probably a constitutional amendment passed. After all, before the right to privacy was declared, many states did have sodomy laws, and Massachusetts had even banned the use of condoms and birth control pills.

He doesn't have an "unhealthy obsession with the constitution", but his interpretation of the document is too strict. Theoretically, the only way to provide certain freedoms and rights to all the country's citizens is through the constitution, and if the constitution does not say anything about it, the states get to decide what rights the citizens do and do not have. If the citizens feel they deserve a certain right (like abortion and privacy rights), they can appeal to the Supreme Court to get a re-interpretation of constitutional rights. If the Supreme Court finds no such language in the Constitution, then the people can demand a constitutional amendment (Like the Prohibition amendment, or the direct election of senators...etc.)
 
Well, Stabby, his explanation doesn't really help him, because he doesn't even acknowledge the problem - That it's a principle thing. That alone is worrying. What's more worrying is that the people who exposed this received emails including all-time favourites as "jew lover" and "warmonger". The most nutty people are his supporter by far, because they've gained a reputation for just being batshit insane, and endorsing it on their forums, too, as I explained.

Now about Ron's argument in the video - By the same standard, it's OK to buy sex from forced prostitutes. It's exactly the same: It doesn't matter who you get it from, as long as you get what you want. And yes, that IS wrong. Only difference is - Ron Paul had/still has the opportunity to do the right thing, and he chooses not to.

Bottom line: Ron Paul could have dealt with this and proved that this was nonsense. Regardless of his very bad perception of basic principles and morality, the real nuts are his supporters.
 
Man like I have time to read this whole thread.

How's it going in here guys? Is nemesis still crazy?
 
Well this is all well and good, but aren't you guys wasting your time debating and arguing the policies, polls, conspiracies, and fanbase of candidate who isn't even going to win his parties nomination?
 
Irksome said:
Well this is all well and good, but aren't you guys wasting your time debating and arguing the policies, polls, conspiracies, and fanbase of candidate who isn't even going to win his parties nomination?
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Theres always a chance. Everyone said the same thing about Dewey and Truman.
 
I know Portalstormzzzz. In a Crysis challenge today, we bet some stuff. I won his account and movie site(dumb ass gave me his password). I changed his password, moved his movie site to my email, and virtually deleted him from the internet. I was part of his movie site's staff. He said he made some 3d models, when in fact, I did. What goes around comes around. (transcript in sig)

Anyhows, Obama. Because he hasn't been bought by anyone yet.
 
We've already had Hillary for president for 2 terms already between 1992-2000.:dozey: Just my two cents.
 
Well she's already lost if you as me. No one who acts as unserious as she does has a right to lead.
 
Obama, because I have no will of my own... will of my own.
 
I hope the guys who voted for huckabee are aware he is a homophobic, anti-abortion bigotted moron. Just for info.
 
Nemesis6 said:
I know a better way to slander him: He accepts money from Neo Nazis like Don Black of Stormfront.org

Ron Paul asked Mr. Black afterwards if he was a Nazi. He assured him he wasn't, and Ron Paul took his word for it. Can you say gullible? No? Willfully ignorant will also do. Oh, and after it was discovered that this guy posted on their forums, the moderators started deleting all his posts to cover the evidence.

Let's see... what do I have more? This pearl at their forums, explaining that the reasons links don't work is to avoid webmasters from tracking them down when they spam internet polls: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=62790

Maybe now we have an explanation of why Ron Paul's results on this poll are so high? Maybe we should call him Ron Poll from now on.

And the best, maybe the perfect finishing blow? All of this is a Zionist conspiracy according to the people on their forums. It's somewhere on whatreallyhappened.com I'll try digging it out.

Edit: Here it is - http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/whitesupremicistisisraelishill.php

So, all these allegations are made by the Israelly government. And the Ron Paul supporters are actually posting this as a response to people who ask about the Nazi thing on their forums, in case you haven't looked at the ronpaulforum.com
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Interesting. Very interesting.
 
Nemesis6 said:
Well, Stabby, his explanation doesn't really help him, because he doesn't even acknowledge the problem - That it's a principle thing. That alone is worrying. What's more worrying is that the people who exposed this received emails including all-time favourites as "jew lover" and "warmonger". The most nutty people are his supporter by far, because they've gained a reputation for just being batshit insane, and endorsing it on their forums, too, as I explained.
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Ron Paul is not a white supremacist, therefore this doesn't matter, like Paul says there is no good reason he should give the money back, that would only be pandering, to people who can't just listen to his policies and jumped to hysterical conclusions.

Now about Ron's argument in the video - By the same standard, it's OK to buy sex from forced prostitutes. It's exactly the same: It doesn't matter who you get it from, as long as you get what you want. And yes, that IS wrong. Only difference is - Ron Paul had/still has the opportunity to do the right thing, and he chooses not to.
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It's not the same at all, Ron Paul received money from a white supremacist, he is then using this money to promote his own libertarian ideals, not the ideals of the nazis. No one is hurt in the process of him receiving the money, so it's not like prostitution at all.

Bottom line: Ron Paul could have dealt with this and proved that this was nonsense. Regardless of his very bad perception of basic principles and morality, the real nuts are his supporters.
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No you could just stop getting hysterical over nonsense. He isn't a Nazis, I don't care if some of his supporters are insane, I'm sure I could find insane supporters of any candidate.
 
Ron Paul is not a white supremacist, therefore this doesn't matter, like Paul says there is no good reason he should give the money back, that would only be pandering, to people who can't just listen to his policies and jumped to hysterical conclusions.
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He's right, it would be pandering, but the reason he's in this situation to begin with his own stubborness. In situations like this, it's the right thing to do to deny money like that. Once again, a principle thing. I don't know about other people, but I would expect a more clear and harsh response to neo-Nazism from the One Man Who Can Save America as he's been dubbed. Doesn't live up to his repuatation now, does he? Maybe this indecisiveness will spill over into his politics...?

It's not the same at all, Ron Paul received money from a white supremacist, he is then using this money to promote his own libertarian ideals, not the ideals of the nazis. No one is hurt in the process of him receiving the money, so it's not like prostitution at all.
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It actually is, only his own reputation is hurt, but the neo-Nazis are having a field day piggy-backing off of him and so are the Truthers. It's really common sense: If Nazis show an economic or otherwise interest in your politics or any other part of what you do for any reason, stay the **** away from them and take any step available to denounce them, including denying any support from them. It makes you look bad.

No you could just stop getting hysterical over nonsense. He isn't a Nazis, I don't care if some of his supporters are insane, I'm sure I could find insane supporters of any candidate.
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I'm not being hysterical, it's a big problem that he doesn't see the basic problem with accepting money from Nazis. And his indifference on the subject is a bit stunning, not his explanation, but once again, his denial that there is any problem with it.

In closing, it doesn't matter what he is and what he isn't. Money from Nazis = Bad.
 
Nemesis6 said:
He's right, it would be pandering, but the reason he's in this situation to begin with his own stubborness. In situations like this, it's the right thing to do to deny money like that. Once again, a principle thing.
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Pandering is very childish, the fact Ron Paul isn't returning the money shows he does have the principle, not to make pointless symbolic gestures, for those who can't comprehend that he isn't a nazi.

I don't know about other people, but I would expect a more clear and harsh response to neo-Nazism from the One Man Who Can Save America as he's been dubbed. Doesn't live up to his repuatation now, does he? Maybe this indecisiveness will spill over into his politics...?
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Ron Paul indecisive? Have you seen his congressional voting record? He doesn't need to criticize fringe political movements that he has clearly stated he does not agree with, again you're overreacting and making an issue from nothing. IMO this show Paul to be one of the more level headed candidates in this election.


It actually is, only his own reputation is hurt, but the neo-Nazis are having a field day piggy-backing off of him and so are the Truthers. It's really common sense: If Nazis show an economic or otherwise interest in your politics or any other part of what you do for any reason, stay the **** away from them and take any step available to denounce them, including denying any support from them. It makes you look bad.
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Why should he need to go to such lengths to dissociate himself from these people, they are fringe movements with no political power at all, he has stated he doesn't agree with them, anything else would be symbolic pandering.


I'm not being hysterical, it's a big problem that he doesn't see the basic problem with accepting money from Nazis. And his indifference on the subject is a bit stunning, not his explanation, but once again, his denial that there is any problem with it.

In closing, it doesn't matter what he is and what he isn't. Money from Nazis = Bad.
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You're certainly being hysterical, your making an issue out of nothing. He didn't do anything wrong. Unless your making the case that Accepting money from nazis makes Ron Pual a Nazi, which is nonsesnse, what's your point?
 
delusional said:
Theres always a chance. Everyone said the same thing about Dewey and Truman.
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An extremely slim chance; he'll have to do a lot better in New Hampshire, than his measly 10% in Iowa - he didn't even beat the Fred "The Lazy Fox" Thompson who polled at 13%.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-eetQ9Nydg
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Holy shit, what a dumbass Giuliani is. "Our foreign policy is irrelevant, totally irrelevant."

Now, I don't like Paul, but at least he brings a little colour to a debate that otherwise would just be a penis measuring context at who can scream "kill the terrorists" the loudest.
 
Nemesis6 said:
It actually is, only his own reputation is hurt, but the neo-Nazis are having a field day piggy-backing off of him and so are the Truthers. It's really common sense: If Nazis show an economic or otherwise interest in your politics or any other part of what you do for any reason, stay the **** away from them and take any step available to denounce them, including denying any support from them. It makes you look bad.
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If FDR received battleships and planes from Hitler, because Hitler thought it might change FDR's mind, do you think he'd give them back?
 
Javert said:
If FDR received battleships and planes from Hitler, because Hitler thought it might change FDR's mind, do you think he'd give them back?
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Probably not.

"Hey sweet, free planes! Let's use them to bomb the shit out of the Nazis."
 
The Monkey said:
Now, I don't like Paul, but at least he brings a little colour to a debate that otherwise would just be a penis measuring context at who can scream "kill the terrorists" the loudest.
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The only reason the Islamic fundamentalists have grown to prominence is due to the ill will they've been able to generate from the US continued meddling in the Middle East, it's unfortunate that Paul wasn't able to bring up the issue of the US Blanket vetoing of resolutions by the UN against Israel, that has gone considerable damage to the middle eastern perception of the US, but I suspect he'd of been shouted down by Romney and Guliani to the point that he'd of not been able to fully explain himself in the time frame of the show.

I'm not opposed to the state of Israel but I'm of the opinion that a peaceful resolution to the ongoing troubles would of been reached a long time before now, if the US had stayed out of it rather than condoned the Israelis at every opportunity. The US continued support of the Saudi regime hasn't helped much either.
 
Ron Paul indecisive? Have you seen his congressional voting record? He doesn't need to criticize fringe political movements that he has clearly stated he does not agree with, again you're overreacting and making an issue from nothing. IMO this show Paul to be one of the more level headed candidates in this election.

Why should he need to go to such lengths to dissociate himself from these people, they are fringe movements with no political power at all, he has stated he doesn't agree with them, anything else would be symbolic pandering.

You're certainly being hysterical, your making an issue out of nothing. He didn't do anything wrong. Unless your making the case that Accepting money from nazis makes Ron Pual a Nazi, which is nonsesnse, what's your point?
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The reason he needs to go to such "lengths" as just returning some money that is, compared to what he's received already, miniscule, is that in not doing so, he will hurt his political career. It doesn't matter if he's denounced fringe groups or not, it's still nazi money donated by nazis. Some guy above started talking about if Hitler gave FDR ships, etc, but that's not relevant because we're talking about such a minimal contribution here - As you said, it IS symbolic, but it's really not pandering to give back money back to crazy people if you don't want to be associated with them -- It's just common sense. He'll gain so much more by this so-called "pandering" than keeping it. And I know that there are minorities over there who take this much, much more serious than I do. He IS gonna lose votes and it IS gonna come back to haunt him. It's just so stupid to let stubbornness like this prevent you from doing what's right. And lastly, whether he did something wrong or not is irrelevant - The problem is that he doesn't acknowledge the problem. If he did that, that alone would be enough, THEN he could rationalize his decision. That'd be enough to put this behind.
 
Nemesis6 said:
The reason he needs to go to such "lengths" as just returning some money that is, compared to what he's received already, miniscule, is that in not doing so, he will hurt his political career. It doesn't matter if he's denounced fringe groups or not, it's still nazi money donated by nazis. Some guy above started talking about if Hitler gave FDR ships, etc, but that's not relevant because we're talking about such a minimal contribution here - As you said, it IS symbolic, but it's really not pandering to give back money back to crazy people if you don't want to be associated with them -- It's just common sense. He'll gain so much more by this so-called "pandering" than keeping it. And I know that there are minorities over there who take this much, much more serious than I do. He IS gonna lose votes and it IS gonna come back to haunt him. It's just so stupid to let stubbornness like this prevent you from doing what's right. And lastly, whether he did something wrong or not is irrelevant - The problem is that he doesn't acknowledge the problem. If he did that, that alone would be enough, THEN he could rationalize his decision. That'd be enough to put this behind.
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He isn't associating with them though. If anything it's money being transferred to the hands of someone who may very well use it for a more sensible cause. I don't see much wrong with that reasoning. You're just grabbing at straws here.
 
Kadayi Polokov said:
I'm not opposed to the state of Israel but I'm of the opinion that a peaceful resolution to the ongoing troubles would of been reached a long time before now, if the US had stayed out of it rather than condoned the Israelis at every opportunity. The US continued support of the Saudi regime hasn't helped much either.
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The way I see it each time the US meddles with the Middle East they just make it worse for not only themselves but the entire Middle Eastern region.
 
ya, it was a radio bit. The funniest part is the kid holding the sign is a fat hispanic kid that works for the show. He basically couldn't speak till he was 10 and he's kind of slow...
 
the intern ..so he's mentally handicapped? boy this radio show sounds like it doesnt even try to to reach the lowest common denominator, it's all bottom feeding
 
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