Why do you americans hate communism?

[ShadowFox]

I think some americans fear communism or at least what it represents: the perceived notion that it is everything that is the polar opposite of the american dream or american social conciousness ....probably explains why I'm so often called a "commie" by the uber patriots in our little community

But don't you live in Canada?

 

[Korgoth]

whoa did you say slovenia or kentucky??? the only difference, i could walk into a store and get a gun fairly easily (but i don't like guns so it wouldn't matter to me) but heh, forget getting laid around here... I don't have a nice vehicle, its out of the question

 

[ShadowFox]

Nothing shitty about not havin guns, i bet you have an ultra low crime rate, which is always good. Probably a crime rate like that of Japan.

Guns don't cause crime.. a large divide in assets cause crime.

 

[CptStern]

Well, when you say all americans hate communism, you have to stop and think "Oh wait... a lage portion of America lived most of thier life in fear of an inevitable nuclear war". That sounds like a good reason to dislike it.

And there hasn't been a "true" communist country in the world, so unless you live in a utopia-experiment village, I find it hard to believe that you've lived under communism.

I did say that "some americans fear" communism because of what it represents ...but I also think that fear mongering by the media and government had a big role in it. McCarthy communist witch hunts, 50's propaganda, the arms race, military standoffs, they all contributed to a climate of fear that has lasted to this day.

And I don't know, I'm greedy. I'd like to think in my mind that we should all share the work and take what we need, but hell, I like my PC. I sure as hell don't need it, but I like it. And I'm really not inclined to give it up for an ideal.

fundamentally communism is closer to a true utopia but in practicality it's closer to fascism ...dont worry you wont have to give up your pc, the bourgeoisie will never let it happen

But don't you live in Canada?

yes but i fail to see your point

 

[jverne]

Thats why in a way i hate the american culture, girls here are becoming very picky too. I wish I had a new car!! Ford Focus is one of my favourite, if i ever earn enough money i'm buing one of those!

 

[ShadowFox]

I think some americans fear communism or at least what it represents: the perceived notion that it is everything that is the polar opposite of the american dream or american social conciousness

You say that explains why you are called a commie, but you live in Canada.. so the American dream should be a non-issue.

 

[Korgoth]

no when he meant they called him commie in his community i believe he was talking about this community (hl2.net)

 

[CptStern]

no ...I'm called a commie because since I dont agree with the war in iraq and often criticise US foreign policy, so in their minds I must be from the opposite camp: communism ...or a hippy

EDIT: bullseye Innervision

 

[jverne]

About that crime issue! After watching Bowling for columbine, i've learnt alot hows there in america (I think)! We here live a less stresful and more peaceful life! Even If i had a gun I wouldn't hurt nobody (ok, there are some exeptions )! I think the media realy screws lots of people up! Our media is more informing (objective), thats why is more boring too! That's really interesting, we here don't call people a "ameri" or something if he supports the iraqi war! Its true that many here are more anti-american now! Stay with the democrats, that's what i think! Bush is really a jackass!

 

[Waffles]

Meh, don't trust everything in those movies. Never seen any Moore flicks, but it seems to me like he takes a small group of people and makes them seem like the whole country.

 

[ShadowFox]

Sorry cptstern, I misunderstood.

And just like our media, Bowling for Columbine, while an interesting movie, is far from objective.

 

[CptStern]

let's not go down the moore route for the 50 th time. Until someone can produce judicial records that he is in the process of being sued for slander I'll take moore's word for it (objectivity aside ....after all, how many documentaries are truely objective? Chomsky's "Manufacturing Consent" comes to mind ...but I'm sure his detractors would disagree)

 

[Korgoth]

never seen bowling for columbine myself, so i won't even pretend to know what i'm talking about well enough to defend it, or what is said in it... But honestly gun violence isn't that big a' deal where i live. The only shooting crimes we have here are cops shooting people... And or hunting accidents.
I have seen farenhiet however, and I think there are a large group of people who feel the same as the people that are portrayed in that film, but keep in mind, there are an equal amount who disagree completely with it. America is so diverse, its hard to pin anything to us, no one thinks the same here really, its almost to diverse as no one really knows what the real issues are anymore.

 

[The Mullinator]

I don't really want to take part in this debate but I though it would be a good idea to give some people a better understanding of what Communism is:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism

Communism isn't bad, its just been twisted by leaders who have followed in the past. At least that is my conclusion, whether it would actually be better than capitalism in the long run though is something I won't decide upon yet.

 

[jverne]

Yes, the first to manipulate communism to suit his needs was Lenin! Then Mao in China! Well at least Mao has done a better job as we can see!

 

[Korgoth]

well with capitolism, government policy ends up being dictated by certain wealthy groups of people who bend the laws and policies to profit themselves....Thus a dictatorship, with a better PR department.

 

[B.Calhoun]

Thats why in a way i hate the american culture

Not to offend you by any means but this is just my two cents..

When people from other countries say things like that (Iraq is an example) i think its because of jealousy, and the fact that the Iraqi people get brainwashed by listening to their leaders (ex-leaders? since theres a new gov't going up over there).

I like capitolism, and im sure if the people in this world who have never been in my shoes before lived under it their whole life they would look down upon say commusim too. But that also brings up another point, i have never lived in another country besides the US and you could call me ignorant but the schools here a great! (except for math class damn i hate that Ms.Riedel lol j/k).

Well thats all i have to say.

PS- and if your saying that commusim CAN be good, i wouldnt really count on it just for the simple fact of human nature, and the greed for power among us. Thats why communism has failed, get the pope or someone to run it then ill think about it lol.....the pope is a bad example cause it kinda bring religon into this.

 

[The Mullinator]

well with capitolism, government policy ends up being dictated by certain wealthy groups of people who bend the laws and policies to profit themselves....Thus a dictatorship, with a better PR department.

Yes but thats often because the same things that happened to communism can happen to capitalism, each form can get twisted.

 

[Tr0n]

Every goverment sucks...it's just some suck more than others.

 

[bliink]

so what do people do then? are you suggesting an... Autonomous collective

 

[jverne]

Hey, calhoun i meant that for the girls!
Judging by your logic: the world is a ****ed up world, we humans are some ****ed up beings, and thats why we need a ****ed up govenment to lead us **** ups (capitalism)! To tell you the truth i don't know which is better! Deep down in me i really hope that communism gets a second chanse to realy show its goods! My main reason for oppening this thread was to learn about americans and theire view on the world (if you are really so ignorant and etnocentric)! not for arguing which government is better, which i found out that this was an invitable situation!
So now im asking, what will you tell your children when they ask you about government type, will you say like "america rules, russia sux" or something!

Sorry but i havent slept for almost 24 hours my thoughts arent so clear right now!

 

[B.Calhoun]

Hey, calhoun i meant that for the girls!
Judging by your logic: the world is a ****ed up world, we humans are some ****ed up beings, and thats why we need a ****ed up govenment to lead us **** ups (capitalism)! To tell you the truth i don't know which is better! Deep down in me i really hope that communism gets a second chanse to realy show its goods! My main reason for oppening this thread was to learn about americans and theire view on the world (if you are really so ignorant and etnocentric)! not for arguing which government is better, which i found out that this was an invitable situation!
So now im asking, what will you tell your children when they ask you about government type, will you say like "america rules, russia sux" or something!

Sorry but i havent slept for almost 24 hours my thoughts arent so clear right now!

Did you kinda skip over the parts in my post where i stated i may be ignorant on this topic? guess so. But then again i would like to know what kind of an education you have. Im only in High School but im curretly taking an Advanced Placement Social Studies class, its a college level course. Dont jump on me becuase you sterotype americans as being narrow minded, some of the best people in the world are americans, aswell as eruopean, asian, etc. so just dont put me in your "American Veiw" as being ignorant.

 

[jverne]

Yes, yes!

err...we really dont have a system like yours, so its hard to compare
it goes something like this:
Basic school (8, now 9 years, this is obligatory)->"middle" school (4 years-I go to a gimnasium, which is sort of a Yale or Harvard if you wish to compare, with this completed you can choose a high school)->high school (4-6 years, here you graduate and get your "diploma"-i think its called degree by you)->"magistrat" (1 year, and advanced version ot the diploma)->doctorate (1 year, here you get your PHD, dr. xxx, hehe)


Basic school (around 8-14 years of age)
Middle school (around 14-19 years of age)
High school (around 19-24 years of age)
Magistrate and doctorate (if you are really lucky and hard working by 27 years of age you can get a PHD, normaly it takes to 30 years)

I'm now in the last year of "middle" school! I'm planning to study history and sociology in high school! Then we shall see what will happen!

 

[jverne]

It sems as thou we slovenians and you americans have "the same" problem!
We're to small to have a distinctive stereotype and you too big for shaking yours! Hehe

 

[Cyanide]

Here's my 2 cents.

First of all, not all Americans hate communism. We hate the things that seem to follow it around. Like dictatorship and extreme poverty. I'm pretty sure there aren't many people in the world who like dictatorships and extreme poverty. It just happens that many Americans (and people around the world) lump those things in with communism because of the history with Russia and Cuba, both of which exibit those traits, and were called communist countries.

For those of you who don't make the distinction, communism is not a form of government. It is an economic system. It has nothing to do with the way the government is run. Basicly it just says that all businesses are owned and controled by the central government, rather than privately owned, like capitalism. It just so happens that governments of the dictatorial type follow communism around like a lost puppy.

Jverne, please don't take "Bowling for Columbine" too seriously. It was not made to be objective and truthful. It was made because the guy who produced it needed to make money and stuff that starts controversy makes more money than the truth. The way that movie paints America is not at all a representation of reality. You would be wise not to base any judgements on it. Gun violence is pretty isolated in this country. Most places in America experience very little of it in reality. The media just likes to make a big deal out of it when it does happen.

It is great that you realize that the media is bullshit. They are the worst part of America in my opinion. They don't report the whole truth. They twist the truth to suit themselves and get more people to watch. The news media in the US is more of an entertainment industry now than it is a source for objective truths. They are from this country, but they seem to be some of the most anti-american people in the world. They seem to love to paint their own country in the worst light possible. They don't report any of the good stuff that goes on.

I wish more people in other countries would not generalize Americans as much as they do. They see a few idiots on TV and they think that everyone in America is like that. They seem to think that everyone in America is ignorant just because they've seen a few ignorant Americans on TV. That would be like an American saying that all British people have bad teeth, or all Germans like Hitler, or all French smell bad. None of which is true. Making a generalization like that with so little evidence is incredibly ignorant in itself. Again, the television media is not a source for truth. It is a source for entertainment. Don't base any opinions solely upon it and you will be better off. The reality of it is that Americans are just like people from every other country. We are all driven by the same human nature. Our differences aren't really that great.

I also think that alot of the anti-Americanism comes from envy. People in many other countries can see that the US is a very powerful and wealthy nation, and they feel as though they are somehow inferior. So they look for ways to cut the US down so that they can feel better about themselves. This is just part of human nature. Everybody does it. Everybody has an ego. I also think that anti-americanism is basicly a part of the culture in some countries. It's fashionable to hate America now.

About our culture influencing others. I think it's bullshit when other people blame the US for changes in their culture. Your culture is changing because it wants to change, not because it is being forced to change. We don't come over there and tie you up while we put a T-shirt and jeans on you and then hold a gun to your head and force you to buy a Ford. People do that stuff because they want to. If you don't want to adopte American culture, then don't. Saying that America is changing your culture is like saying that you spelled a word wrong because of your keyboard.

 

[KiNG]

well i think it will be a while before america falls like rome. but one day it will happen(hundreds of years though). whether its to be absorbed into a high form of government(world union anyone?) or a wide spread rebellion is anyones guess. anyone member on starship troops where they were in class and the teacher stated that everyone knew why democracy failed. i wonder what they had. =) anywho id much rather have a chance to become successfull and rich than have to give what i earn to the government and have someone else get rich off me. very pourly worded but yes. =/

 

[jverne]

Most of what you said is true! Thats what i wanted to hear in the first place! That about communism i really forgot to mention! I visualise communism with a democratic political sytem, of course! The problem with communism is that dictatorship got bound with it, thats why there was the Soviet Union & company! America has a democratic political system with a capitalistic economic system! Imagine Stalin with capitalism, myabe then the story would by a little diffrent! Envy too is a problem , but i think most of the world hates america because of its "world police" role it has, by picking its nose where it doesn't belong! The last thing you said is true, and is probably inevitable no matter who the "leader" is!

 

[jverne]

King, in communism nobody would be richer than you, and vice versa!

 

[dassbaba]

americans hate communism because they're generally ignorant and other things . . .

 

[jverne]

dassbaba, in a way your statment is true!

 

[Cyanide]

americans hate communism because they're generally ignorant and other things . . .

Yay, another "Americans are ignorant" generalization. :thumbs:

 

[Tr0n]

OMG!I hate having A.D.D!Post are to big to read.

 

[Letters]

Here's my 2 cents.

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Ahhh, common sense is a wonderful thing, isn't it?

I liked that post.

 

[<RJMC>]

the fact is that the comunist country that exist now are poor
like Cuba

 

[Cybernoid]

I've always wondered why all americans hate communism!? This is not a thread like America vs Russia! Is it because of your goverment?
Ok, the cold war and all, but why today or even during the cold war?

What would happen if I'd walked in the middle of New York with a communist T-shirt?

I've always wanted to talk with an american about this!

I hate communism too, and I'm from Europe. It's a pisspoor system.

 

[jverne]

So what if you live in Europe! Where are you from?
Any resons why?

 

[jverne]

RJMC a friend of mine went to Cuba some time ago (alone, not with a turist agency)! He said that people there are poor but they'are some of the happiest people in the world! And besides Cuba hasn't got a real communist system!

 

[SFLUFAN]

Communism (and to a lesser extent socialism) seeks to deny the basic human motivation to gather as much wealth unto yourself as possible. The United States is largely a society based on individualism rather than collectivism thus our orientation towards capitalism (note - the USA is FAR from a pure capitalist society, that simply does NOT exist in the world and it never will). I happen to think that its best system for the advancement of technology, science, etc. as it rewards those who are willing to take risks and therefore reap the rewards for the betterment of society as a whole.

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

the fact is that the comunist country that exist now are poor
like Cuba

But Cuba is under economic sanctions. China is building up very fast (Although its not really communist, its sort of a hybrid now) and there are other places, but very much like Cuba, it is because of outside intervention.

 

[jverne]

Hmm...look at China, if they had about 150 years (like the US) of development they'd be advanced just like you! That is why in america and alike the elite are some greedy bastards! Remember who was the first to launch a human into space!? I'd love to hear from a zealous american "Hey, you know communisim isn't realy that bad like they taught us, i'd like to give it a try one day"
The real answer would be something like this: "STFU you red bastard, go **** Stalins red butt" Personaly, Stalin was a real bastard and psycho!