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Farrowlesparrow said:Thats says so much about you...
You see pain(Physical or mental, as in thinking other peoples pain isnt worth it) in your life as more of a focal point. I see it as a mere interlude between the fun parts. Like the man above said, there are always people who are going to focus on the bad side of things, but you know what...You don't have to. You can choose to be positive about things.
By the way, why don't you get a labotamy...then you won't really care either way about anything
Fat Tony! said:Its not just personal pain, its the whole word. E.g Iraq, Starving people in africa. People being raped, people being tortured. You cant just forget.
Farrowlesparrow said:I'm not saying that, and I know they are in a terrible way. But thats because of choices made a long time ago. We would make it if we tried, but nobody is willing. Instead, they just want to quit like mr posey here. Perhaps I don't speak for those in Iraq(Using it as a useful example), but you don't just jump ship when it gets tough, you fight on through it.
poseyjmac said:what do you mean quit? i want to quit the entire world if thats what you mean. you probably didn't read my other post yet, but this isn't about me. my life = hunky dory!
Farrowlesparrow said:You misunderstood what I was saying. You think the world is in too bad a way for it to be justified, so instead you opt to quit. Whether it be just you or everyone, its really not of consequence because you wont exist.
InsaneCow said:If you're life is 'hunky dory' yet you still think the world should be destroyed for some minute displeasure you may feel then you are sick in the head. You should see a professional.
poseyjmac said:are you saying the amount of suffering that has gone on in the history of the world is minute?
and REMEMBER, im not talking about me. its not about what im feeling.
InsaneCow said:You are in no position to make the judgement that everyone would be better off dead rather than 'suffer greatly'. Everyone undergoes some pain, that is unavoidable. Doesn't mean everyone should die for it. To think that you have the right to end everything just shows that you are extremely self centered and arrogant.
poseyjmac said:no it shows that i know more about the capacity of suffering in the world than you do. and that people don't know whats best for them. i mean i can just tell you that you are being arrogant if you did not choose the same, because the end result would be a huge amount of suffering to take place as time goes on.
have you not existed before or something and remember it? do you speak from experience?poseyjmac said:i have been calm this whole time, man. and who said anything about boredom? i have plenty of things to do, plenty of goals. im far from bored, working on steam skins right now actually(hey its fun)
if you aren't existing, its not boring because you aren't doing anything. its like forever sleep.
qckbeam said:This is one of the strangest, most disturbing, and on some levels, most pathetic thread I've ever seen on these boards.
"Let's nuke the world because there is suffering in it and we are all better off dead" seems to be the attitude you've taken towards everything poseyjmac. Do you know how everyone on this earth feels about life? You certainly presume to. Some people suffer greatly but would still pick life over your so-called peaceful state of non-existence. Do you know why? Because they do not focus on the bad parts of life. They have learned that if your content to wallow in the doom and gloom that surrounds you, you won't enjoy anything, and you certainly won't make it very far, if you make it all. A life may be consumed by suffering, but some people decide that keeping their chin up, and enjoying every good moment as best they can is the way to go. Some of the happiest people I've known have lead lives full of pain, suffering, and death. Suffering is a part of life, you either deal with it, or you don't. Picking life over death, or vice versa, isn't a choice that falls in just anybody's lap. That choice belongs to the individual and no one else. You don't know what's right and wrong for everyone on this earth poseyjmac, and prancing around with this "I am smarter than god" attitude you have makes you like a total ass with some serious delusions of grandeur.
InsaneCow said:No, you do not know more. If people in the world really thought that death was better than life and the thought of maybe suffering pain was too much for them then they would kill themselves. The fact that the entire population of earth has not committed suicide means they value life more than death. Therefore, for you to suggest that some 6 billion plus people are wrong and you are right is arrogance. They dont know whats best for them do they? And I suppose you do? There we have it again, you're arrogance showing through.
CyberSh33p said:have you not existed before or something and remember it? do you speak from experience? .
CyberSh33p said:your whole nuke us all cause that is somehow peaceful mentality just doesn't cut it for me, and all you seem like is a nihilistic rebel shouting "F.T.W" out your parent's sedan or something (oooooooooh, buuuuurn).
qckbeam said:This is one of the strangest, most disturbing, and on some levels, most pathetic thread I've ever seen on these boards.
"Let's nuke the world because there is suffering in it and we are all better off dead" seems to be the attitude you've taken towards everything poseyjmac. Do you know how everyone on this earth feels about life? You certainly presume to. Some people suffer greatly but would still pick life over your so-called peaceful state of non-existence. Do you know why? Because they do not focus on the bad parts of life. They have learned that if your content to wallow in the doom and gloom that surrounds you, you won't enjoy anything, and you certainly won't make it very far, if you make it all. A life may be consumed by suffering, but some people decide that keeping their chin up, and enjoying every good moment as best they can is the way to go. Some of the happiest people I've known have lead lives full of pain, suffering, and death. Suffering is a part of life, you either deal with it, or you don't. Picking life over death, or vice versa, isn't a choice that falls in just anybody's lap. That choice belongs to the individual and no one else. You don't know what's right and wrong for everyone on this earth poseyjmac, and prancing around with this "I am smarter than god" attitude you have makes you like a total ass with some serious delusions of grandeur.
CyberSh33p said:FTW isn't exactly "free" as it is another word.
poseyjmac, do you live in an african village full of starving children? if so, why don't you kill the lot of em. it'll fix a lot of things and ease their suffering, right? go grant eternal sleep to yourself, all the misfortunate, and people who agree with you, but so far all you've done was make the possibly stupidest point in the entire forums history, and even then you didn't even really make it.
have you died a lot before? how do you know death isn't eternal pain? argh. the stupidity of your whole argument is making my sleep deprived head hurt. ease your own suffering and make yourself stop worrying about other peoples and grant yourself eternal sleep, that would be more logical, no?
poseyjmac said:do you know any starving children in Africa? if you don't know of anyone that truly has it bad in this life, you have no right to say anything. people that live in crappy apartments that eat ramen noodles every meal have it like a KING compared to many people suffering in 3rd world countries.
poseyjmac said:and yes its hard to not act humble when i say i am smarter than god. but anyone can be. all they have to realize is that assuming the bible is true, if at the beginning of time they chose to not make humans, they would be doing them a favor. despite my attitude. i make the best of my life, and i seek the real truth. thats all i really can do right now.
qckbeam said:Can't say I know any starving children in Africa, but I have known a man who have lost his entire family in the blink of an (a father and a husband who lost his children and wife in a car accident). I've known people without families or homes, without friends. People who lived from day to day without knowing if their next meal might come from the garbage of someone else. I've known people from backgrounds of intense poverty in third world countries. I've known men who have made it out of the fabled Iraqi prison/torture camps after being thrown into them for years at a time (my friends father interviewed these men as part of his work, and I was lucky enough to meet them afterwards). I've known people who have gone through some real suffering. I see suffering on a very real level every day, at my grandmother house. She can't get out of bed. She has lung cancer, emphysema, and bipolar disorder. She has trouble remembering the names of her grandchildren, or even that of her husband, and ever since my cousin Shannon was killed in a car accident (about a month ago) she's been prone to some real fits of depression. The woman can hardly lift her own limbs without help from someone else. She cannot breathe without oxygen, she has to take god knows how many pills to keep herself alive. Still she, and all those other people I mentioned, found, and continue to find, ways to enjoy life, even if it's just the little things. Even in the pits of despair (and I do mean the pits of it) they clung on to life.
qckbeam said:If you're seeking "the real truth", perhaps you should listen to what I and others have to say. Life and suffering go hand in hand. Suffering has its own purpose, whether you like it or not. It's the dark moments in our own lives, the suffering, that give us cause to care about the plight of others. We cannot have compassion for others if we can't relate to them in all possible ways. Suffering is crucial to becoming a human being.
qckbeam said:Also, once again you are pretending to have some sort of inside connection with god or some other higher being; some sort of access to the thoughts and feelings of every person on the face of the planet. Who are you to decide what would be good for the entire human race? How do you know how people feel about life and suffering? .
qckbeam said:If people want death, they need only to extend their hand and grab it. If what you are saying is true, wouldn't humanity be swinging from the rafters by now?.
qckbeam said:Finally, I think that if you honestly cared about helping the starving children in Africa you'd do something to improve their lives, rather than striping them of all life and any chance for happiness.
poseyjmac said:alright. and in my life i have nothing like those experiences. that is pretty intense. still though i don't have to experience it secondhand to know how bad it is. if i did, i wouldn't be so compassionate to suffering people.
poseyjmac said:whats the purpose for a jew to suffer and die in a death camp? Suffering is crucial because people think it can't be avoided, so its embraced. why don't you tell suffering is important to the children starving to death in africa?
poseyjmac said:you misunderstand me. i know how most people think, they think similar to you. and i know they don't agree with me. thats a given.
poseyjmac said:alright now you're getting to an important part.. it doesn't matter if what i say is true, the human, like any animal has an illogical desire to survive and multiply, which is why all humans could never go through with it, EVEN if they did believe it. humans are smart, but they ultimately aren't strong enough to put the most important piece of knowledge into action.
poseyjmac said:ooh, why did you go there? i can send that telegram right back to you and say if you aren't a bad person, you would help these starving kids. but if you don't your a bad person. anyway, once my plans fall into place, im going to help a lot of people with financial aid. no doubt about that.
there wasn't really anything to lose or win, this whole thread is a big pathetic joke.Tr0n said:Wow....may I ask why would you want to kill everyone?Here you know what...Tell me where you live and I'll end your suffering for you.You say death is better than this suffering in the world right now.Then just go kill yourself or move on.Posey you lost the debate so just shut the hell up...
Edit: Oh and yes I am insulting you...
Oh....attack imu's!!!CyberSh33p said:there wasn't really anything to lose or win, this whole thread is a big pathetic joke.
SLEEP
Tr0n said:Wow....may I ask why would you want to kill everyone?Here you know what...Tell me where you live and I'll end your suffering for you.You say death is better than this suffering in the world right now.Then just go kill yourself or move on.Posey you lost the debate so just shut the hell up...
Edit: Oh and yes I am insulting you...
CyberSh33p said:there wasn't really anything to lose or win, this whole thread is a big pathetic joke.
SLEEP
K...How ya wanna do it?Fast?Slow?Any weapons?Pills?poseyjmac said:thanks for clearing that up, itll make your banning much easier.
i want everyone not to suffer anymore. its not that I want to kill everyone for the sake of killing them.
if you were paying attention, you'd know that im not suffering at all. whats comical is you are suffering more by being angry than I am because im composed and content.
if you want we can meet and you can try and end my life while i try and end yours. sound like a plan?
Anger no...resentment yes.poseyjmac said:haha, right. your post has been immortalized, it reaks of anger and resentment. turn that frown upside down, man, you'll live longer.
Anymore Star Wars quotes?Maybe they might change all our lives and stop all the suffering.poseyjmac said:well as yoda says, fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering
if you were given the choice to make world peace would you?
what if it meant that the entire human race had to be wiped out including yourself?
no more suffering, no more murder, no more evil. would you do it? if you did, you would be smarter than god.
because heres the thing, if god exists, he is not benevolent, but cruel. look at all the suffering, torture, evil that has happened in the last 10000 years. god could have prevented all that if he simply didn't create humans.
0 suffering. is 1 unit of pleasure worth it to counteract 1 unit of suffering? regardless, the amount of suffering that has gone on far outweighs the amount of pleasure. if god was omniscient he would know that in the beginning, so why would he go through with it? this proves that even if god does exist, he isn't someone you want to be friends with. I am smarter than god, because i would have chosen not to let all of you suffer, and let you have eternal sleep.
poseyjmac said:if you were given the choice to make world peace would you?
what if it meant that the entire human race had to be wiped out including yourself? no more suffering, no more murder, no more evil. would you do it? if you did, you would be smarter than god.
because heres the thing, if god exists, he is not benevolent, but cruel. look at all the suffering, torture, evil that has happened in the last 10000 years. god could have prevented all that if he simply didn't create humans.