world peace could have been attained

[Mechagodzilla]

So what if God was George Bush?

Bush supporter, speaking to Bush:

For the first time in my life, I really feel as though God is in the white house

Considering all the awesome stuff the "devil" supposedly loves, Hell must be a kickin' place.

Stem cell research, no religious wars, diversity of people, equality for those people, good music, good movies, good games, No fundamentalists, no pamphlets, no door-to-door groups trying to convert you, no cults, no televangelists, no creationism, no dissmissal of scientific fact.

I wanna go to hell!

 

[poseyjmac]

How can you have world peace without a world?

this world encompasses all life not just humans, regardless of what some pompous webster definition might say.

God is innocent. Every miserable event on this planet has been caused by humans. It's our collective fault.

the only thing i can agree with on this is that its partially our fault since we have free will, and a shred of hope

edit: ill be back later

 

[CyberSh33p]

my lamentable plight.. I am calamity

 

[poseyjmac]

God is innocent. Every miserable event on this planet has been caused by humans. It's our collective fault.

hes innocent in the same way someones innocent of killing a deer by trapping a lion and a deer together in a limited space. its inevitable that the lion will kill the deer, just like its inevitable that humans sin. so assuming god exists, he placed us here to screw up and feel bad for ourselves so that we might turn to him for a way out. thats nice, but i don't want anything to do with someone who orchestrates suffering to make him look like the saviour.

 

[Yakuza]

i dont see how its being selfish, wanting everyone to be free of suffering? isn't that basically what jesus did, died so that people wouldn't have to suffer?

also, it would be a bit selfish to forget about the people in the world that are suffering more than you are. these people don't want to suffer like you do.

Uhm no, Jesus died so we could have eternal life. He even says that we will suffer. If God is not even exempt from suffering in this world how are we supposed to not suffer.

 

[Letters]

Now there's something to brighten up your day...

 

[Yakuza]

thats nice, but i don't want anything to do with someone who orchestrates suffering to make him look like the saviour.

What about a saviour who was brutaly murdered for your sake. God took a cross on the back to be close to you.

 

[Letters]

What about a saviour who was brutaly murdered for your sake. God took a cross on the back to be close to you.

Or maybe he just was brutally murdered because he was trying to spread this new religion around...

 

[poseyjmac]

Uhm no, Jesus died so we could have eternal life. He even says that we will suffer. If God is not even exempt from suffering in this world how are we supposed to not suffer.

id like to believe god has his reasons and it all makes sense but from all the evidence ive gathered this is what i believe. believe it or not i used to be a christian that vehemently defended christianty on forums up until about 2003.

i accepted jesus into my life when i was really young, i thought i was a christian up until about the age 22. when i realized i dont have any proof that god is real, not in circumstances, and not in my own life. i didn't have the kind of proof that you know for a fact is real but you can't prove to anyone else that people talk about.

with this in mind and some arguments brought up by other forum members, there was the same amount of supernatural activity brought by the god of flying pink elephants than the christian god in my life. now my whole family claims they've had undeniable things happen to them from god, but then i have not, but i have tried very hard in those years. but like my mother says, well you just have to keep trying harder.

either god is expecting way too much out of me, or my whole family are a bunch of lunatics. anyway, like i said eariler, im trying to look for the truth in life, i hold no actual hate for the christian god or bias toward anything/anyone.

and of course ill never literally give up on christianity because theres always the possibility satan has been blinding my eyes from the truth(i know it may sound cheezy to some people), but im open-minded to everything as a possibility.

 

[Yakuza]

id like to believe god has his reasons and it all makes sense but from all the evidence ive gathered this is what i believe. believe it or not i used to be a christian that vehemently defended christianty on forums up until about 2003.

i accepted jesus into my life when i was really young, i thought i was a christian up until about the age 22. when i realized i dont have any proof that god is real, not in circumstances, and not in my own life. i didn't have the kind of proof that you know for a fact is real but you can't prove to anyone else that people talk about.

with this in mind and some arguments brought up by other forum members, there was the same amount of supernatural activity brought by the god of flying pink elephants than the christian god in my life. now my whole family claims they've had undeniable things happen to them from god, but then i have not, but i have tried very hard in those years. but like my mother says, well you just have to keep trying harder.

either god is expecting way too much out of me, or my whole family are a bunch of lunatics. anyway, like i said eariler, im trying to look for the truth in life, i hold no actual hate for the christian god or bias toward anything/anyone.

and of course ill never literally give up on christianity because theres always the possibility satan has been blinding my eyes from the truth(i know it may sound cheezy to some people), but im open-minded to everything as a possibility.

See I am the complete opposite. I lived a nasty life for about 22 years. Even as a very young child I was doing things that were pretty evil, even for a kid.

Its interesting that you say that you accepted Jesus, than say you didn't have any proof of his existance. All you did was accept the concept of Jesus. This is the difference between those that know (know of) and those that Know (like I know my best friend) Jesus. When I came to Jesus, it wasn't cause my parents led me to him, or because all of my friends were christians, in fact I lost all of my friends. I guess you could say that the really were not my friends but it still kinda hurt.

Bottom line is that if one does not experiance Jesus Christ his path will be lost and his works, frustrated.


Remember, God made this world with enough evidence to make faith reasonable, yet he left enough out so we couldn't make it on reason alone.

 

[poseyjmac]

See I am the complete opposite. I lived a nasty life for about 22 years. Even as a very young child I was doing things that were pretty evil, even for a kid.

Its interesting that you say that you accepted Jesus, than say you didn't have any proof of his existance. All you did was accept the concept of Jesus. This is the difference between those that know (know of) and those that Know (like I know my best friend) Jesus. When I came to Jesus, it wasn't cause my parents led me to him, or because all of my friends were christians, in fact I lost all of my friends. I guess you could say that the really were not my friends but it still kinda hurt.

Bottom line is that if one does not experiance Jesus Christ his path will be lost and his works, frustrated.


Remember, God made this world with enough evidence to make faith reasonable, yet he left enough out so we couldn't make it on reason alone.

and thats the whole excuse i receive from friends and family. that i never was saved to begin with. well i tried hard to find god, and i remember being honest about it, but no go.

accepting jesus IS faith, so what i did was genuine. i didn't just accept the concept, i believed with my whole haert.

 

[mchammer75040]

Remember, God made this world with enough evidence to make faith reasonable, yet he left enough out so we couldn't make it on reason alone.

If we are to go by faith alone to choose a religion well then thats nothing more than drawing a card out of a hat, since all religions ask for faith. Christianity doesnt have anymore proof going for it then a african tribe religion.

Bottom line is that if one does not experiance Jesus Christ his path will be lost and his works, frustrated.

So every person of every opposing religion or of non-religious denomination is "lost and frustrated in his works?" Thats hard to buy, me being atheist Im not lost or frustrated at all. You generalize too much.


As far as the OP I wouldnt, Id leave it similar to what it is.

 

[CyberSh33p]

I love how the religious speak so definitively...

 

[Tr0n]

I love how the religious speak so definitively...

I love how people don't get the fact that this debate is never gonna end....

 

[CyberSh33p]

I love how people don't get the fact that this debate is never gonna end....

I love... you

 

[K e r b e r o s]

if you were given the choice to make world peace would you?

see i don't believe everyone should have the right to choose, people make choices because its possible for something positive to come out of it, unfortunately though, much negative things come out as a result. its unavoidable. but they may not realize it.

Forum Hypocrit: 1
You: Zip.

i dont see how its being selfish

see i don't believe everyone should have the right to choose,

i am smarter than god

Forum Hypocrit: 2
You: Zip.

isn't that basically what jesus did, died so that people wouldn't have to suffer?

No. He died on the cross to pay for our sins so that we, the "Corruptable", might have Eternal life with God much rather than Eternal punishment.

see the thing is, im not talking about me right now

im talking about everything and everyone.

Forum Hypocrit: 3
You: Zip.

my life is good

20-40 people raised for the sole purpose of getting positions of power where enough nukes could be launched to wipe out life on earth at one time.

...but nobody else's are?

also, it would be a bit selfish to forget about the people in the world that are suffering more than you are.

I am smarter than god, because i would have chosen not to let all of you suffer, and let you have eternal sleep

Sounds like someone is playing favorites.

my life is good because i know how to live comfortably, and i never get headaches. i know its easy to assume that im complainig that my life is full of pain, but far from it actually

suffering. is 1 unit of pleasure

1 unit of suffering?

suffering that has gone on far outweighs the amount of pleasure

suffering.

suffering

suffering,

suffering

negative

i didn't ask to be born and go through suffering. i was forced.

This is the cool part here! See above, now see below!

and REMEMBER, im not talking about me. its not about what im feeling.

suffering does outweigh pleasure

non-existence outweighs suffering

suffering

suffering

suffering

more suffering.

suffering

suffering people.

suffering

suffering

suffer

suffer

I want to kill everyone

Full Version: I want to kill everyone for the sake of killing them.

suffering

suffering

if you want we can meet and you can try and end my life while i try and end yours. sound like a plan?

then leave. and suffer

well as yoda says, fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering

Dawn of War Chaos Sergeant: ...do you HEAR the voices TOO?!!

i know how to numb myself properly.

...indeed...

actually world peace is possible today. what it would require is 20-40 people raised for the sole purpose of getting positions of power where enough nukes could be launched to wipe out life on earth at one time.

see i don't believe everyone should have the right to choose,

I want to kill everyone for the sake of killing them.

if you want we can meet and you can try and end my life while i try and end yours. sound like a plan?

Wow.

i want to quit the entire world

if the option presented itself to create world peace, i would take it.

actually world peace is possible... what it would require is 20-40 people raised for the sole purpose of getting positions of power where enough nukes could be launched to wipe out life on earth at one time

Not like Iabeea Bushwacker in the Central African Congo minds, right?

do you know any starving children in africa?

 

[K e r b e r o s]

the odds of me being in a position to do that are very low. see i dont want you to worry, i dont want you to suffer

Having doubts...? (See below)

i am smarter than god because I would'nt let you suffer.

...that time you were'nt doubtful...

quit the world

...about the nukes...

Gee, your quite the savior.

but don't let my belief get you worked up.

Oh sure, dont let it. After all, you posted it specifically to see the attention it would gain you. Well, I hope your satisified with the portions I gave you!

...seemed like you could use some anyway...

like any animal has an illogical desire to survive and multiply,

...kinda like your folks eh?

Oh! Dont worry! Im not being mad, actually my life is=honkey donkey. Everythings good, truth is all over the place...like my forum posts...that you...take...the cake...in being todays...forum hypocrit!

 

[poseyjmac]

nothing new here, you don't like my opinion, so you take everything i said out of context + a little humor. that may work on some forums, but not here and not with me. try again when you're ready to be serious. otherwise leave debate to those who know how to

HINT: quote what ive said in paragraphs, as ive presented them. and do it in an organized way if you want any rebuttles.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

nothing new here, you don't like my opinion, so you take everything i said out of context + a little humor. that may work on some forums, but not here and not with me. try again when you're ready to be serious. otherwise leave debate to those who know how to

Nope. Not out of context. Quoted for exact "truth"...and it is honest quoting! Read your words, silly man!

otherwise leave debate to those who know how to

I agree, you should stay out of this threads debate entirely.

 

[poseyjmac]

do you want to start acting mature now? quote some real paragraphs, and lets get down to debate shall we? currently we are debating whether or not im a hypocrite, which is fine with me.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

...also...my opinions dont have to be like yours. I shared my thoughts, and basically outlined for one hour of the debate, you were playing a game of suicidal cryptics.

...the next, you seemed kinda mono-toned, and tried to carry with your initial thought but road into a completely different discussion.

...then you came back saying how, "please noone get upset cuz i said i'd love to kill you kthxbai"...

...then, the oddest one, the "iam teh happeh man my life is grate cuz if you dont agree with me turn your lips upside down cuz you live longer teehee".

I read everything you said clearly. I've quoted enough. ...for one night...

 

[poseyjmac]

alright, let it be known that i did give you the invitation to a real debate. if you change your mind, ill be glad to reply.

but don't fool yourself, cutting my text up into small chunks to take out of context doesn't really convince anyone.

 

[Fat Tony!]

Bloody hell anyone can contadict themselves accidentally do you have to pick out every single word and take it to pieces. Idiot

 

[CyberSh33p]

tony and poseyjmac:

www.freakachu.org/cybersh33p/images/particlemanown3d.gif

 

[poseyjmac]

well kerberos never came back..oh well.

anyway, for those who believe in hell, what do you really think hell is like? do you think its constant physical suffering or more like a suffering that you know a heaven exists but you are stuck in hell?

when i think about hell i think, why doesn't satan turn it into a resort and have some fun since hes going to be banished there forever with a bunch of human screwups? even evil people know how to have fun! i mean, if satan really wanted to drag people away from god and heaven, why wouldn't he fix up the place, make it seem like an appealing place to go?

 

[moppe]

Well, us humans are going to kill ourself later anyway.
That, or milkyway will go kaboom.

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

Because he's trapped in hell just like everyone else...Its like, living in a counsil house, only better

 

[Fat Tony!]

Yeah logically if evil people went to a place ran by an evil person they would get along . Isnt god a bit of a bastard banishing someone to hell when all he did was rebel.

 

[The Monkey]

World peace will never exist as long as there is humans.

 

[Tr0n]

Omg...let it die.Please!

 

[poseyjmac]

?

so no opinions on hell then?

tron no ones forcing you to come here.