Xbox 360

[Garfield_]

What PC specs can be compared to the new Xbox 360 ?

 

[iconic-]

im still too busy laughing at the fact you think you have a shitty pc...
what can't you run right now? i mean, not at TOP TOP settings- but at high and unplayable?

i love my ps2, but i think xbox360 might be the way i go seemingly only because i play pc games to play w/ other people and Live is one of the biggest draws for me. plus i think thas the way many of my friends in the dorms will go, so we can have giant networked games together.

 

[Uriel]

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/xbox360/factsheet.htm

Well, you've got 3 3.2 gig processors, but multiple processors does not mean better.
The Video card im a little confused about

 

[Garfield_]

There is three 3.2Ghz processors in xbox360 ?

The reason why i asked was, i need to play these new games and the cheapest way to play at the top top details is to get a console. You cant really compare the specs of a console with a pc, its not the same stuff as i understand.

My current pc runs with a p4 2.8Ghz, 1GB ddr and an x800 pro graphics card, im 100% sure i cant even run Alan Wake with this shit and i need to run it on maximum details. Anyone knowing the price that 360 will have once its released and when is it released ?

EDIT: ive got the impression that you can run XBOX like a pc with windows xp etc, is this coming to 360 too ?

 

[Uriel]

"Three symmetrical cores running at 3.2 GHz each"

sorry bout that

 

[poseyjmac]

its irrelevant and you can't compare the two anyway. games will be streamlined for the hardware in the xbox360, like any other console. all you need to know is xbox360 will be able to run games like elder scrolls: oblivion at the same detail as highest detail on the PC, according to the devs.

 

[Uriel]

Alright dude, before you go off ditching your PC like an ungratful bastard, think about your TV. The Game may look good, but it wont look much better than a ps2 game if you're playing on a crappy screen. And eventually, the PC will outrun and spank the console until the next console comes out. Its happened before.

 

[Garfield_]

What kind of TV do you need to make console games look the same as on PC, same sharpness etc. And buying a new PC to play Alan Wake is way to expensive. Last summer i spend 2000 USD on my current PC and now i cant even play FEAR at maximum details.
How am i then going to run UT 2007 on lowest

Havent looked into other games than Alan Wake and this is why i want a 360 instead of wasting 3 times more money on a new PC.

 

[Uriel]

Dont get a new PC, just upgrade it

 

[Garfield_]

Dont get a new PC, just upgrade it

Im not sure if an upgrade is enough, i would atleast have to get an amd 64 3400 + another gig of ram. And i would still not be able to play FEAR at highest without any lagg at all

 

[DigiQ8]

x360 video card = R500 from ATI
R520 will release for PC later this year , and R580 will release next year, as well as Geforce 8.
looks like PC will be pwn this next gen consoles very fast ( talking about the graphics )

 

[Warbie]

You certainly get more out of your hardware with a console.

I upgraded for HL2 (A64 3500 oc, x800 xtpe, 1 gig pc3700) and already recent titles aren't running as well as I'd like. It's the opposite with consoles - games becoming more impressive the older the machine gets. So much so, infact, that first and last generation titles differ in quality as your average pc upgrade will over your old rig (but in this case, using the same, aging hardware)

RE4 on the GC is a good example, and both runs and looks better than FEAR on my current pc.

(I can't believe that after spending all that cash the thought of upgrading again has already crossed my mind :/)

 

[Warbie]

x360 video card = R500 from ATI
R520 will release for PC later this year , and R580 will release next year, as well as Geforce 8.
looks like PC will be pwn this next gen consoles very fast ( talking about the graphics )

We all know it doesn't work like that though.

Consoles and pcs cannot be compared spec for spec (decicated gaming machines get sooo much more out of their hardware)

 

[chu]

I really don't want to buy a console. The only thing that would persuade me is to play it on my 42" plasma.

 

[VictimOfScience]

It sounds like you already have a pretty nice computer. Once the first PPUs hit shelves at the end of the year, A LOT of load is going to be taken off of the CPUs, so that will help many people who have a middle of the road CPU rightnow. Get one of those and maybe a new GPU if the R520s look good compared to the nvidia 7800s.

That said, consoles provide a totally different gaming experience, so it really depends on if you want that experience too. I love my PS2 and SNES and NES and Genesis and Dreamcast and (to a lesser extent) my Turbografx 16, but my PC gives me a much better experience when it comes to adventure games, FPSs, and RTSs.

Up to this point, consoles had offered very different types of games, but when the xbox rolled into town, much of that changed due to the porting of PC games both ways. The xbox is really just a dumbed-down PC anyway, so this makes sense.

This next generation, however, will be (IMHO) not as much fun as the last few when consoles were consoles and PCs were PCs. Here we are going to see many more games coming out for both console systems and PCs. I tend to think this will lead to less originality in game development, but we'll see what happens. I hope all of the new technology will inspire devs to realize their creative visions that have heretofore gone unrealized due to lack of powerful enough tech.

 

[bam23]

Go get an SLI system since you're so hellbent on running everything at maximum detail.

 

[Alan Freeman]

hey Garfiled Im Trying To Send You A Message, Soo Clear Out You Message Box

 

[Uriel]

Just remember, when you play on a console it wont look as good as it could on a PC, there wont be as much content on the game, its easier on the PC (FPS are), there are no RTS games, slimmer variety of games, not as many features, and multiplayer isnt as good. Another thing that concerns me is cheating. There are online games you can cheat with on the PS2. As for X-Box live, i dont know, but the thought of paying more per month, just to play on the net seems ridiculeous to me. But with X-Box being made more and more customizable i dont know how they are going to prevent cheating. Perhaps they have a Microsoft PB.

 

[Garfield_]

hey Garfiled Im Trying To Send You A Message, Soo Clear Out You Message Box

Done.

I wont get a 360 to play online and FPS games, only games like Alan Wake and as it seems Silent Hill 5. Just racing and third-person games. Ill use my PC to go for Half Life 3

 

[Garfield_]

You think SH 5 is coming to 360 ?

 

[poseyjmac]

Alright dude, before you go off ditching your PC like an ungratful bastard, think about your TV. The Game may look good, but it wont look much better than a ps2 game if you're playing on a crappy screen. And eventually, the PC will outrun and spank the console until the next console comes out. Its happened before.

you can hook up the xbox360 to your monitor. gg

x360 video card = R500 from ATI
R520 will release for PC later this year , and R580 will release next year, as well as Geforce 8.
looks like PC will be pwn this next gen consoles very fast ( talking about the graphics )

you are basing a hunch off the fact that 520 is a higher number than 500. as highly intelligent as that way of thinking is, do you have any proof about this 'pwning'?

cmon now, im a hardcore pc gamer, never owned a console since snes, but lets refrain from PC fanboyism and just state the facts.

 

[Cole]

you can hook up the xbox360 to your monitor. gg

Ok so your gonna find 4 of your friends, play some split screen or xbox live on your monitor? lol...

 

[Warbie]

Yeh - who wants to play their Xbox 360 on a tiny monitor?

I'm going to play mine on a big tv, while sitting on a comfy sofa \o/

Eventually pc hardware will come out that can produce better visuals than these next gen consoles. But only 'better' on paper. The most visually impressive titles around will still appear on consoles (imo) ...... just as they still do today (creativity and art direction > all).

Not that this matters too much, gameplay will always be more important.

 

[OCybrManO]

Ok so your gonna find 4 of your friends, play some split screen or xbox live on your monitor? lol...

Actually, yes, I have done that on my 19" monitor... and it worked just fine. My 19" monitor viewed from about 2 or 3 feet away takes up about the same POV as my 51" HDTV from across the living room. As long as you can fit enough people up close it's just as good. We only did it because the TV was currently in use... but it worked.

 

[poseyjmac]

Yeh - who wants to play their Xbox 360 on a tiny monitor?

I'm going to play mine on a big tv, while sitting on a comfy sofa \o/

the people who don't have a nice tv, the people who have a really nice monitor thats not tiny.

 

[poseyjmac]

Ok so your gonna find 4 of your friends, play some split screen or xbox live on your monitor? lol...

ill be playing games like oblivion on my monitor in my room, and MP games with friends on my HDTV. *gasp* crazy concept eh

 

[Warbie]

the people who don't have a nice tv, the people who have a really nice monitor thats not tiny.

Consider then that some games may look smooth as butter when running on a tv, yet may look very jerky on a monitor. Monitors need a high fps, tvs do not.

 

[poseyjmac]

Consider then that some games may look smooth as butter when running on a tv, yet may look very jerky on a monitor. Monitors need a high fps, tvs do not.

what are you talking about? i used to hook my computer up to my TV and there was no framerate difference. and ive seen plenty of jerky games that people play on their xbox or ps2 hooked up to their TVs

 

[Warbie]

I never said there would be a difference in framerate :/ Monitors and tvs do not display images in the same way. Have a read - http://www.daniele.ch/school/30vs60/30vs60_1.html (basically - a game that only runs at 30 fps will look much smoother on a tv than it will on a monitor)

'and ive seen plenty of jerky games that people play on their xbox or ps2 hooked up to their TVs'

Sure. I said TVs do not need high fps, that doesn't mean games won't look choppy if the rate is real low (Halo 2 and Perfect Dark spring to mind)

If you're playing an Xbox 360 game on your monitor, and the framerate drops, the effect will be far more noticable and choppy than if you were playing on a tv.

 

[poseyjmac]

ok, thats nice and all, but supposedly the xbox360 will be running games at much higher framerate than the xbox runs its games, so 30fps on an xbox360 isn't going to be very common.. and despite that, since the xbox360 will have its own AA and AF implementations, its going to look better overall on a monitor, which is why many will use their monitors.

 

[Garfield_]

So you guys are saying that UT 2007 on 360 might only run in 60 FPS ?
I thought it would run like 100 FPS, all 360 games.

 

[poseyjmac]

So you guys are saying that UT 2007 on 360 might only run in 60 FPS ?
I thought it would run like 100 FPS, all 360 games.

whered you pull that from? the first part i mean

 

[Vigilante]

I hope the schematics for the xbox 360 burn in a plane crash. Go PS3 and Revolution!

 

[DreadLord]

I find it funny that anyone here thinks 360 graphics could ever possibly look better than current PC graphics. I'm going to bet you right now that BF2's graphics on my PC right now are waaayyy better than 360's graphics will achieve. Consoles can't keep up with PC's. Leave them for the 12 year olds.

 

[Warbie]

ok, thats nice and all, but supposedly the xbox360 will be running games at much higher framerate than the xbox runs its games, so 30fps on an xbox360 isn't going to be very common.. and despite that, since the xbox360 will have its own AA and AF implementations, its going to look better overall on a monitor, which is why many will use their monitors.

We'll see.

There will be times when framerates drop. AA and AF are also very noticable on a tv.

The best way to play Xbox 360 (imo) will be on a TV, preferably a HDTV.

 

[Warbie]

I find it funny that anyone here thinks 360 graphics could ever possibly look better than current PC graphics. I'm going to bet you right now that BF2's graphics on my PC right now are waaayyy better than 360's graphics will achieve. Consoles can't keep up with PC's. Leave them for the 12 year olds.

What rubbish. I think Okami on the PS2 looks better than BF2.

Hardware does not equal good visuals.

I can't wait untill Resident Evil 5 is released (oh, I think RE4 on the GC is more impressive than BF2 as well)

//edit I just read your input in the Band Brothers thread. And you talk about 12 year olds :/

 

[poseyjmac]

I find it funny that anyone here thinks 360 graphics could ever possibly look better than current PC graphics. I'm going to bet you right now that BF2's graphics on my PC right now are waaayyy better than 360's graphics will achieve. Consoles can't keep up with PC's. Leave them for the 12 year olds.

do you know whats even funnier?

http://www.elderscrolls.com/art/obliv_xbox360_screens_01.htm

the fact that you're wrong. hilarious huh

 

[Uriel]

Okay, its happened and it will happen again. Right now the X-Box 360 looks like a High end PC, just like when the X-Box first came out, it looked great. But as time lingered, the PC continued to strive forward and make the X-Box look like a child's toy. THIS ALWAYS HAPPENS. And the better graphics get, the greater the need is for a better TV. This is why montiors are great... and why PC's are great. And the X-Box 360 isnt even out. While they're planning on its release, the PC is continually enchancing their hardware.

And stop comparing games to BF2, Resident Evil is a completely different game. You are not running around is a big ass map in Resident Evil, you dont have 64 players in Resident Evil.

 

[Garfield_]

We cant argue about this PC vs XBOX. When the first xbox came it pwned pc games graphics, but later the pc got updated... xbox and all other consoles cant be upgraded, they are not built to be upgradeable.

So consoles win when they first get released, the keep the first place for few months, then the PC pwns the consoles, then we wait few years for the next gen consoles....

 

[Garfield_]

I find it funny that anyone here thinks 360 graphics could ever possibly look better than current PC graphics. I'm going to bet you right now that BF2's graphics on my PC right now are waaayyy better than 360's graphics will achieve. Consoles can't keep up with PC's. Leave them for the 12 year olds.

Can you like post a high resolution screen shot of your so called " waaayyy better than 360 graphics " since i really doubt that.

BF2 on PC with your stuff vs. UT 2007 on 360 ???