Your opinions on gay marriage

[f|uke]

What do you people think on the matter of gay marriage?

You're new here, arn't you...

 

[CrazyHarij]

I'm all for letting them get married, although I'm abit worried about adoption of kids.. Just for the kids sake though, if the child would grow up and have no problems with it and show no instinctive or basic defects, then I say go for it.

 

[burner69]

Yeah the marriage isn't just about 'happiness'. It's about gay partners who aren't 'married' because of law not being able to recieve benefits, or other such things that the government helps people out with.

If a two gay parents and their adopted child suddenly find lose their primary source of income, the government will not give them as much job seekers allowence because they aren't legally married, which could drive them into poverty.

Not letting gays marry is an attack on human rights, just as the black partide was, just as Nazi Germany was (although admittedly much more extreme, banning marriage is removig their right to marriage, no where near as bad as removing their right to live but a step in that direction.)
Not letting gays marry is taking someone's sexual preferance and using it as an excuse to pick on them. My sexual prefernces may differ from many of yours, doesn't mean you have the right to be happier than me, and take things from me.

Not letting gays marry shows you are, in my opinion, a bad person. As you support the above things. You can dodge it by saying that it is against my religion, but I'm sure got would rather you follow the ten commandments; love thy neighbour, not straight neighbour, but neighbour.
Religion should make you a better person, and help society, not a racist who is happy to disrupt people's lives because "you don't like the idea."

 

[burner69]

why do we need to debate it?

Because people's lives are being affected by it.

EDIT: And I can't imagine someone saying; "well I'm having problems with the wife, since gays can get married I hate the idea anyway, I'll divorce her." If you were so irrationally against gay marriage you would have problems.

 

[f|uke]

You can dodge it by saying that it is against my religion, but I'm sure got would rather you follow the ten commandments; love thy neighbour, not straight neighbour, but neighbour.
Religion should make you a better person, and help society, not a racist who is happy to disrupt people's lives because "you don't like the idea."

Marriage is not a Christian or Muslim institution. My marriage will certainly have nothing to do with either religion, and neither would a homosexual marriage. They dont have the right to impose their morality on others. [/preach to choir]

 

[Mechagodzilla]

Why does this bloody topic get recycled every few weeks. People who don't agree with gay marriage (myself included) will always think it's wrong and the people whoa are fine with it will always think its fine!

why do we need to debate it?

Well, what else can we do but speak our minds about it?
Massive amounts of people don't understand how they are undermining freedom. If I can show just one person the dangerous wrongheaded precendent set by this ammendment, then I've succeeded.
This isn't the sort of thing that you ignore.

/me notes that theres never any topics on marriage between a man and woman i.e. "do you think the divorce rate in the developed world is absolutley apauling, and this in part is due to the fact that the sanctity of marriage has been destroyed through people marrying on a whim and homosexuals in certain states being granted the right to wed and even some people being given rights to marry animals :|?"

Well, it's not like straight, christian marriage is the be-all and end-all of everything.
And it's also never going to go away. It's not at any risk from anyone.
You might have ten thousand married gays, and you might have three guys marrying sheep?*
But the vast majority, in the billions, will be straight marriages just like they've always been.
All these 'appauling, unsanctimonious, destructive whims' are doing is providing alternatives to what has been the status quo for the last couple thousand years.

If gays are going to have sex, and they will, then what point is there to banning their marriages? All it does is make gay people unhappy. Is america so insecure in its sexuality that they think the world will suddenly turn gay unless we force gays to be unhappy? Or that if the government does anything other than pass laws against gays, society will fall apart?

It's an overexaggeration of christian marriage's importance in the framework of western society while simultaneously a tremendous lack of faith in its adequacy.

Basically, I don't give a crap who some random stranger marries, so long as he's not marrying me.
And straight marriage is basically indestructible. It doesn't need a stranglehold monopoly on happiness just to force all americans to bow to christian morality.
Freedom of choice, yeah!


*Preferable to being a muttonchop anyways, I'd bet.

 

[f|uke]

Well, what else can we do but speak our minds about it?

We could drop it for a week. Really. The only reason its being discussed again is because Burner69 is so new he didn't know that this is the topic that just wont die.

That being said, I dont mind if you all go nuts all over again. Thats on you. :thumbs:

 

[Mechagodzilla]

Well, it also helps prove my 150$ theory. The offer's been up for lord knows how many of these threads, and still nothing.

I guess it's just dumb that 60% of americans are actually going directly against constitutional law for reasons that aren't even worth winning money over.
If your opinion's not worth my 150$ offer, then it probably shouldn't be shaping the course of western society, I say.

 

[f|uke]

If your opinion's not worth my 150$ offer, then it probably shouldn't be shaping the course of western society, I say.

Whats the $150 offer? I dont have a problem with game marrage, but I'm willing I say I do for that kinda dough.
:naughty:

Uhm, good reason. Give me a sec.

Ok, Gay marrage is wrong, because studies (by Fox News) show that Gay marriage promotes the Gay Lifestyle, which as well all know, is where AIDs comes from. Therefore, if Gays get married, somehow I'll get AIDs. Wheres my money?

 

[burner69]

We could drop it for a week. Really. The only reason its being discussed again is because Burner69 is so new he didn't know that this is the topic that just wont die.

That being said, I dont mind if you all go nuts all over again. Thats on you. :thumbs:

Sorry guys
Hope raising the issue made some people see a little more sense on the subject. Cheers for debating :thumbs:

 

[f|uke]

Hope raising the issue made some people see a little more sense on the subject. Cheers for debating :thumbs:

I really doubt this thread is going down that easy.

 

[Mechagodzilla]

Ok, Gay marrage is wrong, because studies (by Fox News) show that Gay marriage promotes the Gay Lifestyle, which as well all know, is where AIDs comes from. Therefore, if Gays get married, somehow I'll get AIDs. Wheres my money?

I'm glad I put the qualifier "good" on there, because there's no limits to the really stupid reasons.
So far I've had about six joke responses, and one honest attempt. Still no prize though.

I really doubt this thread is going down that easy.

I dunno, it looks to me like the anti-gays have mostly given up in responding.
(The 150$ says they have no logical argument to stand on, after all.)

This thread is already winding down, when some of the others reached 60 pages.

 

[Neutrino]

What did I miss?

Atleast the results of the poll give me some hope for the world.

 

[Ikerous]

Why would you vote "No, it is against my religion "... :-/
What does religion have to do with legalities?
I'm glad our government is nothing like the biblical governemnts
::Gets bad memories of the story of jericho::

 

[burner69]

You joking?

 

[Neutrino]

You joking?

Who? .

 

[el Chi]

Yeah I know a few gay people, and not one fits into the camp stereotype.

Well then surely they're not actually gay.

 

[burner69]

Lol. Two had been having sex with men for at least a year. One was with a boyfriend for the last 5 months (last time I saw him).

 

[burner69]

Who? .

I meant Ik and his "why would religion" thing.

 

[Ikerous]

Nah, i was serious.
Its against my religion as well
But i still strongly think it should be legal

My religious beliefs shouldnt be law... thats dumb
Religion deals with morality, government protects liberty

Besides, most of the God run governments of the bible were horrible

 

[el Chi]

Lol. Two had been having sex with men for at least a year. One was with a boyfriend for the last 5 months (last time I saw him).

Let me get this straight, they're "gay" but they're not camp!? No no no, something's amiss here.

 

[f|uke]

My religious beliefs shouldnt be law... thats dumb
Religion deals with morality, government protects liberty

Why are all the inteligent believers on the coast? You guys need to go back east and spread the word of reason.

 

[DoctorGordon]

My opinion:

No. I say we douse them in vodka and toss in a match. Or just launch them into the sun.

(gay females and males)

 

[Neutrino]

I meant Ik and his "why would religion" thing.

He has a valid point.

 

[burner69]

My opinion:

No. I say we douse them in vodka and toss in a match. Or just launch them into the sun.

You are sick. You want to murder other humans for doing no harm to you, or anyone else.
Whether you are joking or not that point was inappropriate and I'd like you to f*ck off and kill yourself.

 

[el Chi]

You are sick. You want to murder other humans for doing no harm to you, or anyone else.
Whether you are joking or not that point was inappropriate and I'd like you to f*ck off and kill yourself.

Quoted for emphasis. This guy's a complete c*nt.

 

[burner69]

Why would you vote "No, it is against my religion "... :-/
What does religion have to do with legalities?
I'm glad our government is nothing like the biblical governemnts
::Gets bad memories of the story of jericho::

I have spoken to many people on this forum who have told me that their religion (often Christianity) prevents them from believing in it.
It shouldn't do.
Bush has just allowed people the right to take other people's human rights away, they took the chance. This is because bush, like some of the people I have spoken with, is very religious (he believes God speaks through him, I have read) and likes to utilise the many practising Christians in America to remove the rights from homosexuals.

Jericho? Sorry I haven't read the Bible (I would like to but I struggle enough with reading what's set for my degree)

 

[DoctorGordon]

You are sick. You want to murder other humans for doing no harm to you, or anyone else.
Whether you are joking or not that point was inappropriate and I'd like you to f*ck off and kill yourself.

This is an opinion thread, i voiced my opinion...you dont like it, thats your problem.

Just cause something does no harm to you, doesnt mean it should be allowed to exist. Its like starving kids...they do no harm to you, yet they still shouldnt be starving.

 

[Ikerous]

Jericho is basically a story of the Isrealites (God's chosen people) and they go up to this city thats surrounded by a big wall that protects them. Basically they walk around the wall playing trumpets and the walls magically fall down and then they go in and kill everyone (Men, women and children) Except for this prostitute and the people with her. (Not the best summary...)
http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Jos/Jos006.html#top

 

[bliink]

Just cause something does no harm to you, doesnt mean it should be allowed to exist. Its like starving kids...they do no harm to you, yet they still shouldnt be starving.

but starving kids dont enjoy starving, and they're suffering.

 

[Ikerous]

but starving kids dont enjoy starving, and they're suffering.

You don't know this...
I mean; he has a point.
Gay people are just like starving children :-/

 

[MadHatter]

Homosexual marriage should be legal. Everyone has a right to be happy and live their lives to the fullest in whatever way they desire.

Homosexual couples parenting kids is a little tricky. I lean towards allowing it though. A friend of mine grew up in a lesbian household and he's just as normal and attracted to girls as my other guy friends. Also, if a single parent can successfully guide a child, why couldn't two homosexuals?

 

[Neutrino]

This is an opinion thread, i voiced my opinion...you dont like it, thats your problem.

Just cause something does no harm to you, doesnt mean it should be allowed to exist. Its like starving kids...they do no harm to you, yet they still shouldnt be starving.

Bad example. Starving children harm someone, namely themselves.

Gays harm no one.

 

[el Chi]

Just cause something does no harm to you, doesnt mean it should be allowed to exist. Its like starving kids...they do no harm to you, yet they still shouldnt be starving.

That's not the same in the slightest. Famine is a terrible situation that has befallen people that can be remedied and that those suffering would will it to be remedied.
Homosexuality is an intrinsic part of someone's character that can't really be remedied but that most gay people would not want to be remedied. The ones that would like it to be remedied are in that situation because of mindless bigots like you.

 

[MadHatter]

Bad example. Starving children harm someone, namely themselves.

Gays harm no one.

Well, apparently they harm the church..... lol

 

[Homer]

Well, that would normally be the case, except the government provides benefits to married couples.

This is "trying to force the rest of the country to embrace their homosexuality instead of simply tolerating it" about as much as equal pay wages for women is all about "trying to trying to force the rest of the country to embrace their femininity instead of simply tolerating it."
The government shouldn't pay two people different amounts for the same thing based solely on superficial differences.

So in order for equality to work, they should legally accept gays, or they should stop giving benefits to married straights.

They shouldn't pay gay couples benefits because they cant reproduce. The married benefits are intended to help with families.

 

[Ikerous]

They shouldn't pay gay couples benefits because they cant reproduce. The married benefits are intended to help with families.

Infertile couples

 

[Homer]

Infertile couples

Aren't the focus of those benefits.

 

[Ikerous]

Yet they're still allowed to marry and recieve those benefits

 

[DoctorGordon]

Hmm i thought you ppl would respond that way. I didnt mean in reference to gays, i meant in reference to "just cause something does no harm to you, doesnt mean it should be allowed to exist."

That principle is just so stupid: 'who cares if they arent harming you'