Your opinions on gay marriage

[Neutrino]

Aren't the focus of those benefits.

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They shouldn't pay [infertile] couples benefits because they cant reproduce. The married benefits are intended to help with families.

 

[MadHatter]

They shouldn't pay gay couples benefits because they cant reproduce. The married benefits are intended to help with families.

So homosexuals are like extra scrap or waste to you? Toss 'em in the garbage disposal, they're no good for us? They should lie to themselves and force themselves to be 'the norm'?

Homosexuals can't help it. It has to do with different chemical balances than heterosexuals. They may be homosexuals and unworthy of benefits (and probably life to you), but they're still human and a living creature.

What about women and men who are unable to reproduce due to defects and damaged reproduction organs? Do they not deserve benefits and happiness? You know, like the nurse in the show 'Niptuck'. She's incapable of being fertilized.

 

[Homer]

Yet they're still allowed to marry and recieve those benefits

We dont know they are infertile when they get married.

 

[burner69]

This is an opinion thread, i voiced my opinion...you dont like it, thats your problem.

Just cause something does no harm to you, doesnt mean it should be allowed to exist. Its like starving kids...they do no harm to you, yet they still shouldnt be starving.

Note: Apologies mods. If you read further back you will see he made an extreme view that makes his mind no better than that of a Nazi. He said he has the right to say what he wants. I will now, just once, say exactly what I feel. Feel free to delete it, althoug I hope you understand WHY I am doing this.

To Dr Gordon: Starving kids causes harm, you idiot, it's called starvation. It's harmful. Go to school. What else exactly shouldn't be allowed to "exist" (you clearly want gays dead) just because it does no harm? Tell me please. Something with NO harm, not starving kids, you f*cking thick b*stard.
And what about things that do harm to society? Do we have the right to remove them? Like... you. You're outdated, unsupported, bigotist, racist, Nazi views cause great harm. If everyone thought like you then gays would be killed.
That is what happened to start the second world war.
YOU are a Nazi. Your country and my own, as well as many others, fought bravely to get rid of people like you. (although both sides fought bravely.)

I am calling you a Nazi. You want to argue that? Nazis killed gays because they were gay. You want to kill gays because they are gay. Okay, maybe you don't want to kill blacks and jews and gypsies as well, so you're not a full Nazi. But you're atleast partially.
I hate people as ignorant as you when it comes to this matter.

By the way, many Nazis were nice people with messed up views - they thought by making everyone the same they'd have the super race, infact that "super race" would have lasted around, I think it's, 200 years, then the lack of change in the gene pool would lead to incest type side effects and the society would die.

What I'm saying is, you're probably a nice guy, just your views on this matter are evil. As you proabably think I am now a t*at. But I'd challenge you to tell me I was lying about the Nazi thing.

 

[Neutrino]

We dont know they are infertile when they get married.

What? I'm sure there are indeed quite a few that know they are infertile before marriage.

How about people that get a hysterectomy or a vasectomy before getting married?

 

[Homer]

So homosexuals are like extra scarp or waste to you? Toss 'em in the garbage disposal, they're no good for us? They should lie to themselves and force themselves to be 'the norm'?

Homosexuals can't help it. It has to do with different chemical balances than heterosexuals. They may be homosexuals and unworthy of benefits (and probably life to you), but they're still human and a living creature.

What about women and men who are unable to reproduce due to defects of damaged reproduction systems? Do they not deserve benefits and happiness?

Oh **** this debate. You assholes dont actually want to talk about anything, you just want people to disagree with you so you can call them bigots.

 

[Ikerous]

It's not very nice to call people assholes

 

[Neutrino]

Oh **** this debate. You assholes dont actually want to talk about anything, you just want people to disagree with you so you can call them bigots.

I'm willing to discuss it. I will not call you a bigot.

 

[MadHatter]

Point out where I called you a bigot, Homer.

 

[burner69]

Oh **** this debate. You assholes dont actually want to talk about anything, you just want people to disagree with you so you can call them bigots.

Do you not like debating?
Or have you just realised that there IS no argument for removing rights from gays? That's it isn't it. Don't worry, you're not gay if you support gay marriage.

 

[DoctorGordon]

Note: Apologies mods. If you read further back you will see he made an extreme view that makes his mind no better than that of a Nazi. He said he has the right to say what he wants. I will now, just once, say exactly what I feel. Feel free to delete it, althoug I hope you understand WHY I am doing this.

To Dr Gordon: Starving kids causes harm, you idiot, it's called starvation. It's harmful. Go to school. What else exactly shouldn't be allowed to "exist" (you clearly want gays dead) just because it does no harm? Tell me please. Something with NO harm, not starving kids, you f*cking thick b*stard.
And what about things that do harm to society? Do we have the right to remove them? Like... you. You're outdated, unsupported, bigotist, racist, Nazi views cause great harm. If everyone thought like you then gays would be killed.
That is what happened to start the second world war.
YOU are a Nazi. Your country and my own, as well as many others, fought bravely to get rid of people like you. (although both sides fought bravely.)

I am calling you a Nazi. You want to argue that? Nazis killed gays because they were gay. You want to kill gays because they are gay. Okay, maybe you don't want to kill blacks and jews and gypsies as well, so you're not a full Nazi. But you're atleast partially.
I hate people as ignorant as you when it comes to this matter.

By the way, many Nazis were nice people with messed up views - they thought by making everyone the same they'd have the super race, infact that "super race" would have lasted around, I think it's, 200 years, then the lack of change in the gene pool would lead to incest type side effects and the society would die.

What I'm saying is, you're probably a nice guy, just your views on this matter are evil. As you proabably think I am now a t*at. But I'd challenge you to tell me I was lying about the Nazi thing.

All possibly true. I know Nazis, and I assure you while although I have a similar view or two, I’m nothing like them…I don’t salute to a Nazi flag before I go to bed or anything.

 

[Mechagodzilla]

All possibly true. I know Nazis, and I assure you while although I have a similar view or two, I’m nothing like them…I don’t salute to a Nazi flag before I go to bed or anything.

Well, that explains a lot.
Shares views with nazis, wants to immolate human beings for no dicernable reason. But at least he doesn't salute the swastika flag!

They're banning the wrong people.

Heil Dumbass!

 

[burner69]

All possibly true. I know Nazis, and I assure you while although I have a similar view or two, I’m nothing like them…I don’t salute to a Nazi flag before I go to bed or anything.

I hardly think if you asked someone "what did the Nazi's do?" the first/second/third thing they'd say is "Salute Swastikas".

You may not salute their flag, but you are openly airing Nazi-based opinions. That is much more important than what you chose to do or not do in private before you go to bed.

 

[DoctorGordon]

Well, that explains a lot.
Shares views with nazis, wants to immolate human beings for no dicernable reason. But at least he doesn't salute the swastika flag!

They're banning the wrong people.

Heil Dumbass!

I already told you boneheads it was an opinion. Also, Nazis are hardly the evilist group in history. Banning someone for their opinion is retarded. Freedom of speech, welcome.

And: True reason cant exist with an opinion. If not it'd be fact.

 

[DoctorGordon]

I hardly think if you asked someone "what did the Nazi's do?" the first/second/third thing they'd say is "Salute Swastikas".

You may not salute their flag, but you are openly airing Nazi-based opinions. That is much more important than what you chose to do or not do in private before you go to bed.

Ah ha. Seems you have the wrong idea, i threw that little part in as humor. Had i used a ';' then your conclusion would be correct, but i used a '...'.

 

[Neutrino]

I already told you boneheads it was an opinion. Also, Nazis are hardly the evilist group in history. Banning someone for their opinion is retarded. Freedom of speech, welcome.

And: True reason cant exist with an opinion. If not it'd be fact.

Do you have a logical reason for your opinion?

Because you always seem to deride religious people for having illogical beliefs.

 

[f|uke]

Nazis are hardly the evilist group in history.

No. Just one of the evilist.

Banning someone for their opinion is retarded. Freedom of speech, welcome.

Your constututional freedom of speach does not apply here as it is a private forum. In fact, speach is often censored and people banned for expressing their opinion (if it is abusive to others).

Which usually is a good thing.

 

[burner69]

Ah ha. Seems you have the wrong idea, i threw that little part in as humor. Had i used a ';' then your conclusion would be correct, but i used a '...'.

Oh ho ho! I didn't see your little bit of humour you used to fill the space where you couldn't put anything that made sense. HAHA.

And you can use semicolons and quotation marks, well done you. You have to resort this debate to how we answered your post differently from how you want it.

You are a master at the english language by the way.

I'm an English Degree student. I own u n00bie!!!!! f33l my h00m0r

 

[DoctorGordon]

Do you have a logical reason for your opinion?

Because you always seem to deride religious people for having illogical beliefs.

When it comes to this, no...it's simply my opinion.

With religion theres tons of evidence to suggest God does not exist. Its simple logic, not be confused with my opinion.

 

[burner69]

And I can't believe you just stuck up for the Nazi party the way you did. They had their good points, but the bad heavily outweighed them.

They killed millions and millions of people. Search google for the correct figure. That is evil as f*ck, especially as it was all just because of their race or sexuality. Not that there ever is a good reason for killing or otherwise taking rights from a person *stares at Dr Gordon and any one who voted against gay marriage*.

 

[Mechagodzilla]

I already told you boneheads it was an opinion. Also, Nazis are hardly the evilist group in history. Banning someone for their opinion is retarded. Freedom of speech, welcome.

And: True reason cant exist with an opinion. If not it'd be fact.

Ouch, I'm a bonehead. That hurts a lot, coming from a nazi sympathiser.
Why don't you commit some genocide against my race while you're at it?
Start with yourself.

Banning someone for their opinion is "retarded" you say?
Well, I guess it would be more intelligent to just pour some gas on you and light a match.
That's how grown-ups deal.
There are rules on this forum against racism. Instant ban.

You honour freedom of speech, and the desire to start your own personal concentration camp in the same thread?

Yeah, you're a model human.
And you're in seriously in need of psychological help.

 

[bliink]

All possibly true. I know Nazis, and I assure you while although I have a similar view or two, I’m nothing like them…I don’t salute to a Nazi flag before I go to bed or anything.

Someone plays too much Day of Defeat before bedtime...

Grow up.

 

[Neutrino]

When it comes to this, no...it's simply my opinion.

With religion theres tons of evidence to suggest God does not exist. Its simple logic, not be confused with my opinion.

Ok, it's your opinion and not based on logic.

So would you act on this opinion?

 

[burner69]

When it comes to this, no...it's simply my opinion.

With religion theres tons of evidence to suggest God does not exist. Its simple logic, not be confused with my opinion.

I don't believe in God at all.
I don't go around saying they're illogical, it's rude and I believe unless you are religious you can have no concept of its meaning.

So if your opinion has no logical backing then you admit your mind works illogically. Not logical = an incorrect view.

 

[DoctorGordon]

And I can't believe you just stuck up for the Nazi party the way you did. They had their good points, but the bad heavily outweighed them.

They killed millions and millions of people. Search google for the correct figure. That is evil as f*ck, especially as it was all just because of their race or sexuality. Not that there ever is a good reason for killing or otherwise taking rights from a person *stares at Dr Gordon and any one who voted against gay marriage*.

Every country has done terrible things. Let’s look at the US…we sent blankets contaminated with a disease (forgot which) to the native americans pretending to be nice…but it was a mass genocide. We also tossed the little Native American children (male and female) in pits with savage dogs…and yes, they ended up as dog food.

Or the British, they invaded India…slaughtered a ton of people and stole the palaces’ jewels, which are now the “crown jewels”. They invaded a bunch of other countries during their history too…they just wanted to take over the world like the Nazis, only it was a century or more earlier.

These are but a few examples.

The reason I defend the Nazis even the slightest bit here is cause everyone is so blind and says they are the ultimate evil, when many other countries were equally evil during some time. The Nazis are just popular.

 

[DoctorGordon]

Where to start, where to start...ah yes:

Ouch, I'm a bonehead. That hurts a lot, coming from a nazi sympathiser.
Why don't you commit some genocide against my race while you're at it?
Start with yourself.

Banning someone for their opinion is "retarded" you say?
Well, I guess it would be more intelligent to just pour some gas on you and light a match.
That's how grown-ups deal.
There are rules on this forum against racism. Instant ban.

You honour freedom of speech, and the desire to start your own personal concentration camp in the same thread?

Yeah, you're a model human.
And you're in seriously in need of psychological help.

You are pathetic, look at your post. Jumping to conclusions, sarcasm, making crazy accusations; you’re way too arrogant. Thus I wont offer any ‘straight’ answers.

Someone plays too much Day of Defeat before bedtime...

Grow up.

I don’t play games online anymore; I’m on a 56k. And, I have never played day of defeat; I don’t do WW2.

--Actually: this is getting old: up yours

Ok, it's your opinion and not based on logic.

So would you act on this opinion?

No

I don't believe in God at all.
I don't go around saying they're illogical, it's rude and I believe unless you are religious you can have no concept of its meaning.

So if your opinion has no logical backing then you admit your mind works illogically. Not logical = an incorrect view.

That’s the whole thing with opinion; its not fact. If you used true logic, it’d be fact. Using logic is a skill…and it determines facts relative to all humans’ perception, (which, since we are human, is all that matters, even though the fact may not be absolute).

 

[qckbeam]

You are pathetic, look at your post. Jumping to conclusions, sarcasm, making crazy accusations; you’re way too arrogant.

That is the height of hypocrisy

 

[Neutrino]

No

Good to hear.

 

[burner69]

So how do you expect people to debate with you if you believe that your views on homosexuality have no logic behind them. If they don't have logic, why do you have them? How does that benefit society? Should we stop you marrying because you can't debate the issue?

People are giving silly responses back to you now because we are sick of your "silly" responses coming to us. Trust us, you've been talking sh*t. Your opinion, yes, but one you yourself have admitted is illogical. PLEASE leave this debate thinking about what's been said. I would be SO happy if you realised you've been making a fool of yourself in order to hang on to your views.

 

[burner69]

You are also implying you are not skilled enough to learn things.

 

[The Dark Elf]

Every country has done terrible things. Let’s look at the US…we sent blankets contaminated with a disease (forgot which) to the native americans pretending to be nice…but it was a mass genocide. We also tossed the little Native American children (male and female) in pits with savage dogs…and yes, they ended up as dog food.

Or the British, they invaded India…slaughtered a ton of people and stole the palaces’ jewels, which are now the “crown jewels”. They invaded a bunch of other countries during their history too…they just wanted to take over the world like the Nazis, only it was a century or more earlier.

These are but a few examples.

The reason I defend the Nazis even the slightest bit here is cause everyone is so blind and says they are the ultimate evil, when many other countries were equally evil during some time. The Nazis are just popular.

I locked the other thread because you even admitted you had no proof why homosexuality is bad, obviously just trolling for the sake of it.


And I see in this thread you defending the Nazi's wtf? Are you TRYING to get banned and piss as many people off as possible or something?

 

[burner69]

Don't worry DE. We sure showed him

 

[The Dark Elf]

Don't worry DE. We sure showed him

I believe royally humiliated him is the expression

 

[Mechagodzilla]

You are pathetic, look at your post. Jumping to conclusions, sarcasm, making crazy accusations; you’re way too arrogant. Thus I wont offer any ‘straight’ answers.

Again, you are calling me pathetic, when you have said that you would like your own concentration camp?
And that is not jumping to conclusions. You want to round up all the gays and burn them to death, by your own admission.

Making crazy accusations?
Surely I didn't say anything crazy like: "genocide is okay because every country commits genocide at some time or another".
Nope, that's paraphrased from you too.
You being the person who advocates murder while simultaneuosly saying you have no logical reason to kill.
Thus, my concern that you are psychotic.

Arrogant?
Well, I guess my stance of being anti-genocide is a tad extreme. To a nazi, at least.

Yeah, I won't be getting any answers out of you.
Just questions, like:
-What's up with that dumbass nazi?
-Is he just trying to be ironic, or did he really just advocate genocide and declare that he shares many opinions with his nazi friends?
-Does he wear a padded helmet?
Etc.

 

[Neutrino]

Don't get me wrong here, I definitely understand where everyone is coming from on this. I also am not condoning the way Doctor Gordon responded to everyone.


However, if he realizes it is just an opinion that is not based on logic, and furthermore would not act upon it, then I have no particular problem with it. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, even if they don't have a good reason for it. I only have a problem with people acting on those opinions without a logical reason.


(Note: By "not act on" I assume this includes not voting to ban gay marriage if given the chance as that would be an action based on that opinion.)

 

[MadHatter]

Yeah, I didn't even want to touch this discussion lol, it's hotter than the drug debate. He was already getting thoroughly gangbanged and tarred and feathered by a mob anyway.

 

[bliink]

I don’t play games online anymore; I’m on a 56k. And, I have never played day of defeat; I don’t do WW2.

--Actually: this is getting old: up yours

up mine eh? up mine?

how about thinking about what I was saying? there are no Nazi's anymore, just silly, immature people who think its cool or who have no idea about how the world works. the more you go on about Nazi's, or hating minorities etc, the more childish and stupid you look and the more you isolate yourself from all reason and intelligence.

Act like an adult and you'll be treated as one, behave like a child and you dont deserve any respect.

 

[MadHatter]

up mine eh? up mine?

how about thinking about what I was saying? there are no Nazi's anymore, just silly, immature people who think its cool or who have no idea about how the world works. the more you go on about Nazi's, or hating minorities etc, the more childish and stupid you look and the more you isolate yourself from all reason and intelligence.

Act like an adult and you'll be treated as one, behave like a child and you dont deserve any respect.

I thought children were suppose to be spanked? Forget the respect part... I've been naughy, too, you know. :naughty:

 

[DoctorGordon]

So how do you expect people to debate with you if you believe that your views on homosexuality have no logic behind them. If they don't have logic, why do you have them? How does that benefit society? Should we stop you marrying because you can't debate the issue?

People are giving silly responses back to you now because we are sick of your "silly" responses coming to us. Trust us, you've been talking sh*t. Your opinion, yes, but one you yourself have admitted is illogical. PLEASE leave this debate thinking about what's been said. I would be SO happy if you realised you've been making a fool of yourself in order to hang on to your views.

I am willing to admit my own faults; I don’t have any logic behind this particular belief.

Its like, being grossed out at eating organs…there’s no logic behind it, yet you feel a certain way.

You are also implying you are not skilled enough to learn things.

I assure you, I can learn things quite easily, you and the others if anything, have gotten the wrong idea.

I locked the other thread because you even admitted you had no proof why homosexuality is bad, obviously just trolling for the sake of it.


And I see in this thread you defending the Nazi's wtf? Are you TRYING to get banned and piss as many people off as possible or something?

This is bigger than just mere homosexuals…we’re talking basis of opinions and fact.

I’m not defending Nazis, but I am against everyone else’s arrogant stance towards them. Some other countries were just as evil, no need to bash the Nazis blindly.

 

[f|uke]

I really doubt this thread is going down that easy.

This thread is already winding down, when some of the others reached 60 pages.

It never ends..