Your opinions on gay marriage

[The Dark Elf]

I’m not defending Nazis, but I am against everyone else’s arrogant stance towards them. Some other countries were just as evil, no need to bash the Nazis blindly.

Your not defending them?

The reason I defend the Nazis

I must need new glasses then, I coulda sword that said "The reason I defend the Nazis"

I really think you should read up on who the Nazi's actually were, instead of just thinking its some cool name. You might realise why defending them or even agreeing with them is such a bad idea.

What next, support the KKK t-shirts?

 

[DoctorGordon]

Again, you are calling me pathetic, when you have said that you would like your own concentration camp?
And that is not jumping to conclusions. You want to round up all the gays and burn them to death, by your own admission.

Making crazy accusations?
Surely I didn't say anything crazy like: "genocide is okay because every country commits genocide at some time or another".
Nope, that's paraphrased from you too.
You being the person who advocates murder while simultaneuosly saying you have no logical reason to kill.
Thus, my concern that you are psychotic.

Arrogant?
Well, I guess my stance of being anti-genocide is a tad extreme. To a nazi, at least.

Yeah, I won't be getting any answers out of you.
Just questions, like:
-What's up with that dumbass nazi?
-Is he just trying to be ironic, or did he really just advocate genocide and declare that he shares many opinions with his nazi friends?
-Does he wear a padded helmet?
Etc.

1. It was a…figure of speech, if you will. I’m not some savage, I wouldn’t do that personally.
2. ?
3. I don’t do Nazis
4. No

Don't get me wrong here, I definitely understand where everyone is coming from on this. I also am not condoning the way Doctor Gordon responded to everyone.


However, if he realizes it is just an opinion that is not based on logic, and furthermore would not act upon it, then I have no particular problem with it. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, even if they don't have a good reason for it. I only have a problem with people acting on those opinions without a logical reason.


(Note: By "act on" I assume this includes not voting to ban gay marriage if given the chance as that would be an action based on that opinion.)

I didn’t register to vote; I don’t do today’s politics.

up mine eh? up mine?

how about thinking about what I was saying? there are no Nazi's anymore, just silly, immature people who think its cool or who have no idea about how the world works. the more you go on about Nazi's, or hating minorities etc, the more childish and stupid you look and the more you isolate yourself from all reason and intelligence.

Act like an adult and you'll be treated as one, behave like a child and you dont deserve any respect.

Act and think intelligently and you'll be treated as an intellect. Your comment was stupid, what do you expect?

 

[The Dark Elf]

trolling

flaming

insulting other members of the forum

supporting Nazism


Who wants him banned? Because its no fun debating with someone who has nothing but insulting comments to throw back at you.

 

[MadHatter]

trolling

flaming

insulting other members of the forum

supporting Nazism


Who wants him banned? Because its no fun debating with someone who has nothing but insulting comments to throw back at you.

Just close the thread instead. If another thread about nazis pops up, close it. I wouldn't ban him for being ignorantly stupid. Just give him a strike with two more to go (a.k.a., warn him).

 

[The Dark Elf]

Just close the thread instead. If another thread about nazis pops up, close it. I wouldn't ban him for being ignorantly stupid. Just give him a strike with two more to go (a.k.a., warn him).

But If i do go on 10,000 posts, it'll be my last ever ban.. I wanna make it a good one

I'm not closing the thread though, already closed one and its unfair on others to close another on the subject just cause of the actions of one so stupid.

 

[MadHatter]

But If i do go on 10,000 posts, it'll be my last ever ban.. I wanna make it a good one

I'm not closing the thread though, already closed one and its unfair on others to close another on the subject just cause of the actions of one so stupid.

How will it be your last ban ever?

 

[DoctorGordon]

Your not defending them?

I must need new glasses then, I coulda sword that said "The reason I defend the Nazis"

I really think you should read up on who the Nazi's actually were, instead of just thinking its some cool name. You might realise why defending them or even agreeing with them is such a bad idea.

What next, support the KKK t-shirts?

Ok I did say that. I worded things wrong, but really, I’m not supporting the Nazis ideals, I’m supporting my own beliefs…I simply pointed out that them and I have a similar view. It’s like, them and I eat food…it’s a similarity. I’m not so insecure that I can’t compare myself with the enemy.

Again, there are similarities at some levels, like anything, but i have nothing to do with nazis.

 

[merc]

man screw you guys gay marriage is so gay how can u even consider allowing it... gah u people are such idiots why do u support it so much are you gay or something?!

-merc

 

[The Dark Elf]

Ok I did say that. I worded things wrong, but really, I’m not supporting the Nazis ideals, I’m supporting my own beliefs…I simply pointed out that them and I have a similar view. It’s like, them and I eat food…it’s a similarity. I’m not so insecure that I can’t compare myself with the enemy.

Ahh so now im in the wrong because I don't agree with what the Nazi's did?


This just gets funnier Here's a shovel, now keep digging.

 

[burner69]

Don't ban him.

He's extremely misguided.

Btw; if guts gross u out like gays should we burn all guts? You said gays should be burnt. Wouldn't burning guts kill the entire human/animal race(s) painfully? That's no good for society.

You did actually say something about "making a logical decision" requires skill and something else. Look back, I can't be a*sed.

By the way don't feel like you're being picked on, your beliefs are, by admission, illogical, many regard them as highly dangerous, and they run alongside Nazi's own. I should think VERY hard about the things you've been saying. Some things gross me out too bud, dosen't mean I want them destroyed, I can handle being 'grossed out'. It's when people get so wrapped up in an illogical view they are quite happy to see others killed that I get worried.

Best of luck mate, seriously, think about what's been said.

 

[burner69]

man screw you guys gay marriage is so gay how can u even consider allowing it... gah u people are such idiots why do u support it so much are you gay or something?!

-merc

Read back on this forum to see how someone entering this discussion with similar opinions to your own has had to admit he is not logical, and almost got banned for promoting Nazi beliefs.

Please grow up and leave this forum, you are clearly confused about your sexuality, probably enjoy recieving anal sex, suck c*ck crap, and disguise it all in "how can you consider being gay... you must be... gay!!" <-- I'm being semi-ironic. Joking in other words. I'm just tired after our last 'debate' with mr 2+2=6 and chaotic homosexuals

By the way, as you used the word gay as an insult you have clearly set in your mind that 'gay' is a nasty word on no logical foundations, and therefore your opinion is already null and void.

Next.

 

[burner69]

man screw you guys gay marriage is so gay-merc

Yes that is correct

 

[Neutrino]

man screw you guys gay marriage is so gay how can u even consider allowing it... gah u people are such idiots why do u support it so much are you gay or something?!

-merc

So much for you oh so reasonable attitude when you were begging for help with your class debate huh? Guess that was just yet another "act" huh? I'm not surprised.

Your argument:

1)Gay marriage is gay.
2)If a person supports gay marriage they are gay.

I hope you didn't use this stuff in your class debate. Because if you did I'm sure you flunked.

 

[qckbeam]

merc.......just brilliant. You've done it again! Your logic is impecable!

 

[The Dark Elf]

merc.......just brilliant. You've done it again! Your logic is impecable!

Sorry I had to ban him qckbeam, I know you were crying from laughter at his comments. I just had to put him down, its the humane thing to do

 

[DoctorGordon]

Ahh so now im in the wrong because I don't agree with what the Nazi's did?

This just gets funnier Here's a shovel, now keep digging.

No…but there is no reason to be arrogant towards particularly them.

We'll go as far 'down' as you want, but I’m soon to hit the hay, either this will continue tomorrow, or at the end of time once my coming ban expires, if that is to be.

Don't ban him.

He's extremely misguided.

Btw; if guts gross u out like gays should we burn all guts? You said gays should be burnt. Wouldn't burning guts kill the entire human/animal race(s) painfully? That's no good for society.

You did actually say something about "making a logical decision" requires skill and something else. Look back, I can't be a*sed.

By the way don't feel like you're being picked on, your beliefs are, by admission, illogical, many regard them as highly dangerous, and they run alongside Nazi's own. I should think VERY hard about the things you've been saying. Some things gross me out too bud, dosen't mean I want them destroyed, I can handle being 'grossed out'. It's when people get so wrapped up in an illogical view they are quite happy to see others killed that I get worried.

Best of luck mate, seriously, think about what's been said.

Guts do not gross me out. I was trying to put things into context for people, because that is a common ‘grosser’. Wouldn’t it be nice if all problems, (absolute and opinion-related [relative to you]) were eliminated from the world? One eliminated thing would be gross things. For me, I find homosexuality repulsive, thus I want it eliminated. My original statement was not literal, i am just strongly against gays. It was a figure of speech.

 

[Phisionary]

Yes, gay marriages should be allowed, and gay couples should be allowed to adopt and raise children.

 

[burner69]

What if someone found you repulsive. Then they could take your life, by your logic. Would you want that?
Can't you find greater happiness in knowing that to feel that little bit better today, I didn't murder millions of people who fall into my definition of "gross".

And stop whining about a ban. You've been talking about the murder of innocent human life. You've also been talking out of your a*se to justify it.

If you can't find justifications in your beliefs you do have what is called a mental problem. By definition. These are not necessarily always bad, but in this case, it is; you have admitted that you think all gays should be burnt or otherwise killed. That is a bad mental problem.

I'm not f*cking you about, you need to seek help. You have a negative irrational response to something - check the definition of mentally ill, if it's a good one it'll say something about that.

As soon as you explain why gays are bad for society I'll withdraw that statement.

 

[Bad^Hat]

Yeap. Why not.

 

[Neutrino]

Sorry I had to ban him qckbeam, I know you were crying from laughter at his comments. I just had to put him down, its the humane thing to do

Now that was a ban. :thumbs:

If it weren't for this pesky internet in the way I'd buy you a round. This will have to do though. :cheers:

 

[DoctorGordon]

What if someone found you repulsive. Then they could take your life, by your logic. Would you want that?
Can't you find greater happiness in knowing that to feel that little bit better today, I didn't murder millions of people who fall into my definition of "gross".

And stop whining about a ban. You've been talking about the murder of innocent human life. You've also been talking out of your a*se to justify it.

If you can't find justifications in your beliefs you do have what is called a mental problem. By definition. These are not necessarily always bad, but in this case, it is; you have admitted that you think all gays should be burnt or otherwise killed. That is a bad mental problem.

I'm not f*cking you about, you need to seek help. You have a negative irrational response to something - check the definition of mentally ill, if it's a good one it'll say something about that.

As soon as you explain why gays are bad for society I'll withdraw that statement.

I…see.

Maybe i'm just being conscious of my own consciousness, and you cant grasp me thinking this way. I dont 'believe' in gays, yet i cant think of an actual logical reason for me thinking this...its a dang emotion (which are not logical). I'm not preparing for a slaughter; understand that a thought is completely different than an action...and what i posted was a thought, even then...a figment of speech...it was way too violent for my style of action. i'm quite conscious and in control of my thoughts and actions. And i'm well aware of what i posted, but apparently it was a sensitive subject, and everyone immediately attacked me...i had no choice but to jump on the defensive.

 

[Sparta]

I'm fine with gay marriages. Don't see anything wrong at all if its love.

 

[Icarus]

I…see.

Maybe i'm just being conscious of my own consciousness, and you cant grasp me thinking this way. I dont 'believe' in gays, yet i cant think of an actual logical reason for me thinking this...its a dang emotion (which are not logical). I'm not preparing for a slaughter; understand that a thought is completely different than an action...and what i posted was a thought, even then...a figment of speech...it was way too violent for my style of action. i'm quite conscious and in control of my thoughts and actions. And i'm well aware of what i posted, but apparently it was a sensitive subject, and everyone immediately attacked me...i had no choice but to jump on the defensive.

So let me ask you this agian.

What is your opinion on gay marriage?

 

[burner69]

OK.
I'll take back what I said about you "wanting" to kill gays.
Although it seems you would be quite happy with that, am I right?

And actually all human emotion makes sense. Apart from some phobias, and emotions deriving from the mentally ill. That's true, and if you want to test me, try me.

EG. The human emotion of happiness. We feel happy when an external stimulus has a positive effect on us. The brain makes us feel happy so we'll do it again. After a while we'll get bored if the repeated action gains little or no additional positive effects.

And of course we jumped on the offensive, I believe you first post mentioned covering gays in vodka and burning them. Now you have established that there is no logic in that you have fulfilled the criteria for being mentally ill.
illogical action = mentally ill
Now try and prove to me that you're not mentally ill, because I have enough evidence to potentially get you seen by a psyciatrist (I won't though, don't worry).

 

[burner69]

So let me ask you this agian.

What is your opinion on gay marriage?

You don't even wanna know

 

[burner69]

I'm fine with gay marriages. Don't see anything wrong at all if its love.

Thanks for that, I was starting to go a bit funny. (read the last dozen posts, you'll understand why)

 

[Icarus]

So let me ask you this agian.

What is your opinion on gay marriage?

You don't even wanna know

No, I'm giving him a chance to restate himself now that he has had time to think before he posts

 

[MadHatter]

No, I'm giving him a chance to restate himself now that he has had time to think before he posts

Give him a day or two. It's hard to swallow your pride and admit you're wrong -- well, for me it is. Took me a day or two to decide my argument against marijuana wasn't holding up to even my own opinions and thoughts. He's probably a little hesitant to admit he's wrong. Whenever I get like that, I take time off from the debate and it makes it easier to re-engage.

 

[burner69]

You won't get anything coherant.

His argument based on what he said:

Gay marriage is immoral. Gay marriage is wrong. Gay marriage is like alcoholism - bad for society. Gay marriage is like starving third world children - it shouldn't be happeneing. He admits he has no logical argument for any of this. He thinks its gross, and everything gross should be 'removed'.
As mentioned in his first post some vodka and a match is a good way of going about this.

I'm scared.

 

[burner69]

Give him a day or two. It's hard to swallow your pride and admit you're wrong -- well, for me it is. Took me a day or two to decide my argument against marijuana wasn't holding up to even my own opinions and thoughts. He's probably a little hesitant to admit he's wrong. Whenever I get like that, I take time off from the debate and it makes it easier to re-engage.

I'm glad our argument got through to some folk.

Don't do drugs, drugs are for mugs.

 

[Icarus]

DoctorGordon, you've pissed alot of people off...you say it's a misunderstanding...can you please clarify your thoughts in one post...even if it's rather long

 

[Dr. Freeman]

i never really had a problem with gay pple wanting to get married..
the part that becomes complicated is if/when they want to adopt children.
for so long now we as a society were brought up to believe in the "family value" system of a mother and a father.. and yeah.. its slowly crumbled.. just take a look at the recent divorce rate stats... but i digress.

i think things are so complicated for young kids with just the "normal" family system that a situation in which a gay couple chooses to adopt a child only makes things that much more complicated.

really.. honestly i don't know what to make of the gay couple adoption issue.. i think gay couples for now should just concentrate on being accepted as a couple more widely before they explore this issue.

 

[MadHatter]

You won't get anything coherant.

His argument based on what he said:

Gay marriage is immoral. Gay marriage is wrong. Gay marriage is like alcoholism - bad for society. Gay marriage is like starving third world children - it shouldn't be happeneing. He admits he has no logical argument for any of this. He thinks its gross, and everything gross should be 'removed'.
As mentioned in his first post some vodka and a match is a good way of going about this.

I'm scared.

Religion is effective, n'est pas?

 

[The Dark Elf]

DoctorGordon, ....... [snip].... you say it's a misunderstanding...

I'm waiting for him to say "we need breathing room" just to complete the picture

 

[Bad^Hat]

i think gay couples for now should just concentrate on being accepted as a couple more widely before they explore this issue.

And gay adoption is already legal... funny world aint it?

Edit - The doctor is out.

 

[CTTcrew_MrBlue]

i never really had a problem with gay pple wanting to get married..
the part that becomes complicated is if/when they want to adopt children.
for so long now we as a society were brought up to believe in the "family value" system of a mother and a father.. and yeah.. its slowly crumbled.. just take a look at the recent divorce rate stats... but i digress.

i think things are so complicated for young kids with just the "normal" family system that a situation in which a gay couple chooses to adopt a child only makes things that much more complicated.

really.. honestly i don't know what to make of the gay couple adoption issue.. i think gay couples for now should just concentrate on being accepted as a couple more widely before they explore this issue.

As I said Earlier my mother is gay, and things are not more "complicated" for me

 

[Icarus]

He seems to have just gone offline...good timing isn't it? Too good...

 

[Dr. Freeman]

And gay adoption is already legal... funny world aint it?

well.. i guess.. like i said.. i am confused on the whole issue.
gay couples really should be concentrating on being more widely accepted first..

like racism.. it didn't stop overnight, it happened over time (granted it still exists in some places), gay couples being accepted is in the same sort of state right now.. it will take time for pple to learn and accept it..

oh well.

edit:

As I said Earlier my mother is gay, and things are not more "complicated" for me

yeah, okay but u are probably an exception to the rule.
i grew up without a father (he died when i was young) and trust me, it was complicated, rough and whatever else i can't think of right now.

when i say complicated, i mean for the average kid.. certainly theres exceptions to that.. and i guess u happen to be one of those exceptions.

 

[Lemonking]

The crab people tryed to take over the World by making straight men pussys with the TV Show Quir eye for the Straight guy we must be carefull that this wont happen we must stop the crab people
btw i think gay marriage is fine



CRAB PEOLPE TALK LIKE MAN WALK LIKE CRAB CRAB PEOPLE :E

 

[Neutrino]

yeah, okay but u are probably an exception to the rule. i grew up without a father (he died when i was young) and trust me, it was complicated, rough and whatever else i can't think of right now.

when i say complicated, i mean for the average kid.. certainly theres exceptions to that.. and i guess u happen to be one of those exceptions.

You say he is an exception to the rule. But you are also comparing it to having a single parent, which it is not. I don't claim to know for certain what the average effect would be, but I do know atleast 2 people that I can think of now that were raised by gay parents and I know they turned out fine. That's not a scientific basis for an opinion by any means, but it's just something to think about.

Bottom line is that a lot of families in general have problems whether they are gay or straight. I think it would be difficult to link any specific development problem directly to the sexual orientation of the parents.

i never really had a problem with gay pple wanting to get married..
the part that becomes complicated is if/when they want to adopt children.
for so long now we as a society were brought up to believe in the "family value" system of a mother and a father.. and yeah.. its slowly crumbled.. just take a look at the recent divorce rate stats... but i digress.

i think things are so complicated for young kids with just the "normal" family system that a situation in which a gay couple chooses to adopt a child only makes things that much more complicated.

really.. honestly i don't know what to make of the gay couple adoption issue.. i think gay couples for now should just concentrate on being accepted as a couple more widely before they explore this issue.

I understand what your saying even if I do not hold those same reservations about it.

However, I just wanted to point out that this is not an "issue" at all. It is perfectly legal for gays to adopt and there are no serious proposals to stop it.

Funny isn't it? A gay couple can love each other, live together, and raise children and it's all perfectly legal. But what happens when they want to marry? Nope, sorry. That's illegal.

It's a strange world.