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I had "3d glasses" for my sega master system (8 bit) back in the day. Cool stuff!

I've got an Athlon 1800Xp, 512 ramp (266), and a 9800 Pro. CS source is very playable at 1024x768 with medium everything and high shadows. The gfx card is a bit limited by my system, but hey - it'll be a nice piece in a future upgrade pc. I say get the 9800 pro. You won't be...

awesome....can't wait!

Hmmm for 800 you should be able to build a fairly mainstream computer. Also think about looking into your local PC "mom and pop" shops - they could build you a competent PC in your price range - as most PC shops make squat on new machines.

Just a helpful tip - and I'm sure you know, but others may not...try very hard to NEVER use system restore. It can cause a host of problems and is a haven for old viruses/spyware as it cannot be cleaned by many of today's scanners.

there's not gonna be that huge of a difference between your 9700 AIW and a 9800 XT. Save the money on that purchase for something else.

very nice job. How long did prime95 run? or did you cut it off?

Invest in some AMD stock :)

9700PRO is a very competent card for running HL2. For the money though - might as well bump up to a 9800PRO or a 6600 Nvidia.

It's like legos charged with electricity. Seriously, if you can opperate a screw driver and follow directions you can do it. If all else fails, go to a local mom and pop shop and have 'em build you a custom PC. Will save lots off of Alienware for the same PC.

:) Eventually I'll get around to staring at the wall...then I'll bust out ol' Hammer and get to making some good ol' DM maps :D

what I found surprising was that the GF4 Ti using dx8 was comparable to the 9800Pro Dx9 on the Celeron. Yeah it doesn't look as pretty - but when I'm running down a hallway shooting stuff...I'm not gonna stop very long and stare at the wall.

The inquirer did a story on it using combinations of: Celeron 1.2 Ghz GeforceMX Geforce4 Ti Radeon9800Pro AthlonXP 1800+ You'd be fairly surprised at the results: http://theinquirer.net/?article=19405 If ya don't read the article, at least know that the AthlonXP1800+ with the...

I've got an AthlonXP 1800, 512 megs of ram, and recently bought a r9800Pro. I think I could have higher fps in games if I had a faster processor - but at least now I can run HL2 when it comes out without skipping.

Never heard of it. My suspicions tell me it's probably a 9800SE with the All-in-wonder chip on it.

LOL...I'm waiting until I can buy an AthlonXP 3200 for cheap to upgrade my POS. Soon thereafter my current machine will be retrofitted with an old Gforce 4 for some server duty. Next comes the 2 Gigs of Ram dual Opteron system with a new case/power supply from Antec. Gotta love being a poor...

We're still waiting for the current crop of stuff to come out. Nvidia and ATI's high-end chips are vaporware right now...most say they'll be around in December at the earliest. There's no release date or month for any group of anything. Most times ATI or Nvidia will cut the other one by a...

niiiice. That's quite a drop for air-cooling.

Read this over at [H]ardOCP. ( http://www.hardocp.com/ ) After all this time, Australian gamers, like the rest of us, have endured everything associated with Half-Life 2…the lengthy development cycle, delays, code thefts and so on. Now, they might not be able to play it when it comes out...

C is the stepping of the chip. Basically it tells you what core it's using. No - it's not Celeron. A P4 != Celeron. You state 1.7Ghz...what motherboard are you using (aka what socket does it have) and is it an AMD or Intel chip?