2003 Release date...can anyone verify?

[Someone]

Not 100% sure what is being asked...but did find this:

http://pc.ign.com/articles/431/431079p1.html?fromint=1

Despite Gabe Newell's emphatic and constant claims at E3 2003 that the highly anticipated Half-Life sequel (we thinks it be Half-Life 2) would release on September 30th 2003 and exactly September 30th, VU Games spokespeople today said over the phone that the title would in fact not ship to retail until "Holiday 2003," which doesn't say a whole hell of a lot other than, "Not September 30th."

If it were truly VU who stated sept 30th and not Valve, why would VU say on July 29 2003 "Holiday" while Gabe himself was still saying Sept 30th?

Is that the question (whether is was Valve or VU said sept 30th)?

 

[exoeight]

you can argue odds and always win, it's an immature arguement.

what i've been trying to tell you is to E-MAIL GABE, he will tell you that he said sept. 30th last year.

HE PERSONALLY will tell you this to be TRUE.

if GABE NEWELL TELLS YOU that he told MEDIA that the game will release sept 30th, THEN IT WAS a SOURCE for what HE SAID.

E-MAILS on top of that EXIST with him admiting it.

Gabe newell doesn't talk personally to the world, he talks to the media and they tell the world.

stop argueing around everything...

 

[Mold]

Do you really think an email from Gabe would be official enough? I say, go ahead and write your article or whatever, and post a copy on here. I'd love to read it :thumbs:

 

[cadaveca]

cadaveca: I'm very sorry but I do respect your opinions but... you just seem to see what you want to see.

I don't know man... you just don't seem right to me... not only is this a year old issue, but we have gone above and beyond proving our point, yet you continue to argue? And you don't even have multiple sources like us? I don't know how more official you can get than a number of emails from Gabe stating September 30th.

so everyone post aliens are attacking..are you gonna believe them?


Really..i don't have a clue as to what has been released to the gaming world..you see all my links are hardware sites. I made this plain at the beginning. I asked for links as to when the story changed from BENCHMARK to GAME or vice/versa, whatever happened, and i have recieved a couple, but they are not reputable in my eyes.
I don't think trying to find out the prespective of another sector of the industry as to what happened is a bad thing, and i see that most of you don't have the maturity to try to carry on a conversation.

MY industry...the hardware..has said different thaan what is on gaming sites. I'm looking for some sort of midpoint between the 2. I argue my comments to further discussion. This is called a debate. In a debate, you do not have to be right. You simply argue your point. I'm sorry they did not teach you how to debate as school, but this is how it works.

call me crazy all you like...i don't care..it's just your opinion.
in case you have not realized it, my psuedonym here is a play on "dogshit"...in spanish.

getting excited about my comments is just a waste of energy. if you do not like what i have to say, you do not have to post, especially the same argument over and over.

 

[Neutrino]

Not 100% sure what is being asked...but did find this:

http://pc.ign.com/articles/431/431079p1.html?fromint=1



If it were truly VU who stated sept 30th and not Valve, why would VU say on July 29 2003 "Holiday" while Gabe himself was still saying Sept 30th?

Is that the question (whether is was Valve or VU said sept 30th)?

Hehe, dang you. I was waiting to post that for when he clarified what his argument was. Oh well. That'll work.

 

[Someone]

Hehe, dang you. I was waiting to post that for when he clarified what his argument was. Oh well. That'll work.

LOL sorry about that..still not 100% sure of the question myself.

 

[exoeight]

but they are not reputable in my eyes.

btw, your eyes suck

 

[cadaveca]

and why does everyone miss the request for links, and discussion on how sources differ....i don't side with either theory...i know that the game was delayed because of the introduction of DX9 and 9b, new hardware, and quite possibly SP2 for Windows. My feelings on the game being delayed don't matter in this issue. We have differing sources...your's credible to gaming, mine to hardware...ever wonder why?

 

[Neutrino]

I asked for links as to when the story changed from BENCHMARK to GAME or vice/versa, whatever happened, and i have recieved a couple, but they are not reputable in my eyes.

That's pretty funny. Apparently the only links that are reputable are one's that you post. Everyone else's links aren't.

I haven't seen you posting e-mails from Gabe saying your links are authenticate? Where are they? Because major news sites aren't reputable without e-mails from Gabe, right?

And you talk about maturity and debating....

 

[exoeight]

Halflife2.net mods... i recall QUOTES on this site... you must have links for this fellow...

link us to where you get your news mods.

the mods also have e-mails they can post headers off that i've seen posted before.



you realize ofcourse, that you have a fraction of the communitee posting here, just because we few now can't get you the sources you want, doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.

there were millions of links last year, i couldn't remember half of it, it's all tucked away in some archive by now.

 

[cadaveca]

Not 100% sure what is being asked...but did find this:

http://pc.ign.com/articles/431/431079p1.html?fromint=1



If it were truly VU who stated sept 30th and not Valve, why would VU say on July 29 2003 "Holiday" while Gabe himself was still saying Sept 30th?

Is that the question (whether is was Valve or VU said sept 30th)?

maybe Gabe was talking the benchmark, and VUgames the game?
it's possible.

 

[Shuzer]

We have no links because it unfolded on these forums. We've told you a thousand times, search THESE forums and you'll find what we're talking about.

2 (3?) people, including myself, have now stated the same thing. There was a mass panic when, at the shaderday event, they announced that the BENCHMARK would be released on the 30th, after we'd heard DOZENS of times that HL2 would *for sure* hit the 30th.

maybe Gabe was talking the benchmark, and VUgames the game?
it's possible.

Holy CRAP dude, you have your proof RIGHT there, and yet you spit in its face saying it's talking about SOMETHING ELSE!? My god.. :|

 

[Someone]

maybe Gabe was talking the benchmark, and VUgames the game?
it's possible.

He clearly states " that the highly anticipated Half-Life sequel (we thinks it be Half-Life 2) would release on September 30th 2003"

I don't think you really can confuse that with benchmark.

 

[Gunner]

maybe Gabe was talking the benchmark, and VUgames the game?
it's possible.

Maybe you have no friggin' clue as to what's going on?
it's possible.

Seriously just stop for a second and think, when you have a hundred people telling you it's not like that you have to stop and think!

 

[Mold]

I asked for links as to when the story changed from BENCHMARK to GAME or vice/versa,

Aparently the presentation you attended was geared specifially towards the anouncement of the benchmark for Half-Life 2. Notice how it doesn't say the game will be released on the 30th, but it also doesn't say it won't. Thats because the release of the game was not relevant to the release of the benchmark, and therefor wasn't mentioned in that presentation.

edit: they weren't changing the anouncement that only the benchmark would be released and not the game, they were just anouncing something new that would supposedly be released at the same time. Which btw, didn't get released on the 30th either.

 

[cadaveca]

Halflife2.net mods... i recall QUOTES on this site... you must have links for this fellow...

link us to where you get your news mods.

finally, someone with some clarity. I asked for links in the beginning, no?

I said that your sites are not credible...and that was not to really imply that there are NOT credible, but a tactic to get more info.
like i posted before, it only seems when you guys get upset that you post anything of revelance. i have reciewed about 10 links on the issue, and they all differ from what gabe said at a hardware conference. Why would he say something to one sector, and something different to another? That is my question. I don't deny gabe said september 30th for the game last year, but in my side of the industry....he said BENCHMARK.

 

[Shuzer]

IGN isn't credible? Gamespot isn't? Homelan isn't!?

They DON'T differ, you're MISSING THE POINT. HL2 (the GAME) *WAS* scheduled for September 30th. For a LONG time, too. Suddenly, Gabe tells us that the HL2 BENCHMARK will be released on the 30th.

This is EXACTLY what happened, and it caused alot of speculation as to "does this mean HL2 missed its date?" "Will this come out with or before HL2?" "DOES THE WORLD END TOMORROW!?"

My god. What ARE you asking for!? We've ALL told you the same things.. it went like this:

100,000 confirmations of September 30th for the GAME.
One slide on a PDF announcing the BENCHMARK to be released on the 30th.

Mass panic ensued. HL2 and the benchmark both missed that date. The world moved on.

 

[cadaveca]

Aparently the presentation you attended was geared specifially towards the anouncement of the benchmark for Half-Life 2. Notice how it doesn't say the game will be released on the 30th, but it also doesn't say it won't. Thats because the release of the game was not relevant to the release of the benchmark, and therefor wasn't mentioned in that presentation.

Maybe so, but in the video, there were remarks made after the presentation by Gabe and Lombardi. i wish i could find the video. ATI had it on thier site, as it was their event, but i can no longer find it. Lombardi was the one who commented on the release...Gabe glared, and lombardi backed down, if i remember correctly.
as i do not have access to the video anymore, i was hoping someone would come up with a link that had it.

The big controversy over the issue was how NV's cards can't do DX9 proerly in HL2 and there was big fuss over it, because of the deal between ATI and Valve, which , by the way, valve had an auction for...the highest bidder won, and speculation was that if nvidia had won ,things would be different.

 

[Shuzer]

Speculation is crap. The GeForce FX line of cards simply didn't (and doesn't) perform shader operations at an acceptable level of performance. This is absolute FACT in any shader intensive DX9 game.

 

[blahblahblah]

finally, someone with some clarity. I asked for links in the beginning, no?

I said that your sites are not credible...and that was not to really imply that there are NOT credible, but a tactic to get more info.
like i posted before, it only seems when you guys get upset that you post anything of revelance. i have reciewed about 10 links on the issue, and they all differ from what gabe said at a hardware conference. Why would he say something to one sector, and something different to another? That is my question. I don't deny gabe said september 30th for the game last year, but in my side of the industry....he said BENCHMARK.

I don't appreciate your condescending writing. You could have asked for additional sources, instead you must resort to "a tactic to get more info."

Do you have any other events or sources that suggest otherwise? You keep on posting the same event. One event does not mean fact, even if it was posted in reference to the hardware community.

 

[cadaveca]

IGN isn't credible? Gamespot isn't? Homelan isn't!?

They DON'T differ, you're MISSING THE POINT. HL2 (the GAME) *WAS* scheduled for September 30th. For a LONG time, too. Suddenly, Gabe tells us that the HL2 BENCHMARK will be released on the 30th.

This is EXACTLY what happened, and it caused alot of speculation as to "does this mean HL2 missed its date?" "Will this come out with or before HL2?" "DOES THE WORLD END TOMORROW!?"

My god. What ARE you asking for!? We've ALL told you the same things.. it went like this:

100,000 confirmations of September 30th for the GAME.
One slide on a PDF announcing the BENCHMARK to be released on the 30th.

Mass panic ensued. HL2 and the benchmark both missed that date. The world moved on.

i TOTALLY agree with you that this happened, but nowhere can i find mention of this issue, except forums. So where did the info come from? Was it after then that valve adopted the "no release date" front?
or did they claim that all along?

 

[Neutrino]

finally, someone with some clarity. I asked for links in the beginning, no?

Yes, which I supplied you with numerous times. Your welcome.

I said that your sites are not credible...and that was not to really imply that there are NOT credible, but a tactic to get more info.

Our sites our just as credible as yours. The "tactic" of saying they're not is ridiculous.

have reciewed about 10 links on the issue, and they all differ from what gabe said at a hardware conference. Why would he say something to one sector, and something different to another?

How did he say something different? I have yet to see a contridiction. Please post exactly what he said at the conference and also his quotes about the release date and point out to me where there is a contridiction.

That is my question. I don't deny gabe said september 30th for the game last year, but in my side of the industry....he said BENCHMARK.

You don't deny that Gabe said September 30? Yes you did. You denied that numerous times.

 

[Shuzer]

His one event vs our 30 or so sources.. apparently this insanely, all important shaderday event outweighs all these other official sources. :|

It's ridiculous that, even after all the links, he says it doesn't count because they're not specific enough. Yet he has ONE link that shows the benchmark for the 30th, with no mention of the game, and it means VALVe never said HL2 would arrive on the 30th.

cadaveca, what are you asking for? An article that says "Hey, look, VALVe announced the benchmark's release date on the same day they prmised HL2! I guess this means VALVe was talking about a benchmark for the past 5 months, not the game! Haha! Sucks for you, gamers!"?

 

[Someone]

The hardware conference was for a specific thing though (not about the release date of HL2 after all). You're combining two things together.

The game was "coming" sept 30th (as many people have stated-including Gabe and Doug in several of the links).

And at the conference he announced the benchmark was also was coming on sept 30th.

He didn't say two different things, he was simply talking about two different subjects at two different times.

Really not seeing the debate with this.

 

[exoeight]

that's not a reliable source shuzer... duh! *sarcasm*

 

[DrunkPanda]

where's the link? not that i say you don't know the truth, but i need a link to an official source(ie. valve).

I saw shaderday...i saw Gabe with my own eyes say BENCHMARK.
If they then said game, i think valve should have some explaining to do, as the shaderday presentation made it quite clear the game was far from done. If valve reported one thing to one source, and something else to another, i would like to know why.


can ya tell i like conspiracies?

as well, i KNOW that there was a harddrive stolen at E3 2003...but not who's
the hack attempts/success i heard here first.



EDIT: i'll give it a day...if noone can post a link, them most people complaining about the game not being released are making unfounded remarks, and any animosity towards valve is uncalledfor.

MODS: can you verify the release date with an official statement?

people like you infuriate me. who the **** is going to memorize the link to the confirmation that the game was supposed to released on september 30th a year from when they announced it?! jesus, if you had asked on october 2nd of last year or something then we could easily provide the links but posting that question today is idiotic. not too many people want to be bothered to search for information posted a whole year ago. i for one remember valve announced a confirmed release date for september 30th 2003 but because i don't have links that means valve never had that confirmed release date?! Based on your ****ed up logic, since i don't remember exactly what clothes i wore two months ago, i must not have been wearing clothes that day, right?

 

[Mold]

Lombardi was the one who commented on the release...Gabe glared, and lombardi backed down, if i remember correctly.

do you remember what he said, if anything?

 

[Neutrino]

The hardware conference was for a specific thing though (not about the release date of HL2 after all). You're combining two things together.

The game was "coming" sept 30th (as many people have stated).

And at the conference he announced the benchmark was also was coming on sept 30th.

He didn't say two different things, he was simply talking about two different subjects at two different times.

Really not seeing the debate with this.

Exactly.

I truly don't even see what his argument is now. I mean he just admited that he doesn't deny that Gabe Newell said the game was being released September 30th. So now what is the argument anymore?

As far as I can tell this is your entire debate:

That is my question. I don't deny gabe said september 30th for the game last year, but in my side of the industry....he said BENCHMARK.

Like Someone said, he talked about the game at E3 and other times and he talked about the benchmark during another conference. So what? There is nothing to conclude from that other than that he talked about the game one time and the benchmark another time.

 

[exoeight]

he want's proof is the arguement, and we have given it, and he denies it. that's the arguement.

it's not about him believing it or not, about him denying every source given.

 

[Someone]

Exactly.

I truly don't even see what his argument is now. I mean he just admited that he doesn't deny that Gabe Newell said the game was being released September 30th. So now what is the argument anymore?

That's what I don't understand...his original argument had to do with whether it was the game or the benchmark being released on sept 30th of last year.

says the benchmark, not the game. I cannot find confirmation, official confirmation, that the GAME was to be relased last year. Maybe i missed something. Can someone clear this up for me?

Since he is saying he doesn't deny Gabe said sept 30th...what's the argument?

I'm completely lost.

 

[DrunkPanda]

he want's proof is the arguement, and we have given it, and he denies it. that's the arguement.

it's not about him believing it or not, about him denying every source given.

yeah, i think he's just trying to piss us off. he is being a supreme jackass

 

[cadaveca]

do you remember what he said, if anything?

he said "hopefully on the current release date.It's going to be tight, but we'll make it."

at which point gabe glared, like it was not going to happen. Which, we all know, never did. So why, with all these sources saying the game in coming, and it being quite obvious that the game was not going to make it, did he spout that garbage? Why, when everything was looking so good, did they not avert disaster before it struck? i can't see Gabe saying "Ah, well, when the day comes, and there's no game, they'll wait." I hope he does not think like that. Why would vivdendi say holidays, and Gabe, who quite obviously knew what was going on, say sooner? does that not stike you as odd? You could explain it as the game WAS done, but only in DX8. anyone would have said this earlier, and i would have been quiet. but noone did.
i posted more than one powerpoint, and if you kiddies did some research, instead of googling and posting the first results that match your claims, i would not dismiss them so. But all of those sites are pretty much quoting the same incident, the same source. All of them have almost the same date.
there are only 4 different sources. And yes, i have one source. but noone has posted the link that says valve says, in their own words "sept30, 2003", I got one that said september 30th. for that i am thankful....but i would like more.


I have posted time and again..i don't think you are wrong. i would mearly like more links. all these flaming posts "we said it was true...so it is" is more adolescent dribble. I'm glad the media can get you to beleive what they want so easily. Spells great days for the furture of gaming.

 

[exoeight]

you are impossible, annoying... damn you

 

[cadaveca]

That's what I don't understand...his original argument had to do with whether it was the game or the benchmark being released on sept 30th of last year.



Since he is saying he doesn't deny Gabe said sept 30th...what's the argument?

I'm completely lost.

why would he change his tune?
that is my question.what was the big thing that made the difference? what happened?
sure, he said the date(at least one quote), and missed it. why? why, one year ago, were we all so dissappointed?

 

[cadaveca]

you are impossible, annoying... damn you

you don't have to keep posting...not that i mind...every once in a while we actually have a discussion, amidst the flaming.

 

[exoeight]

why don't you call gabe and ask him, you think we can read his mind?

 

[Neutrino]

That's what I don't understand...his original argument had to do with whether it was the game or the benchmark being released on sept 30th of last year.



Since he is saying he doesn't deny Gabe said sept 30th...what's the argument?

I'm completely lost.

I'll take a wack at explaining what just happened.

His argument was:

the benchmark, not the game. I cannot find confirmation, official confirmation, that the GAME was to be relased last year. Maybe i missed something. Can someone clear this up for me?

Argument: Valve actually meant the benchmark was to be released on the 30th and that release date for the game was not from Gabe and thus not official.

Now:

I don't deny gabe said september 30th for the game last year

Conclusion: He admited he was wrong. Case closed.

 

[DrunkPanda]

i'm going to say this again because obviously you need things repeated before it gets through that thick skull of yours. I REMEMBER VALVE REPS CONFIRMING SEPTEMBER 30TH 2003 AS THE ****ING RELEASE DATE, I AM NOT GOING TO GO SEARCHING FOR INFORMATION THAT IS OVER A YEAR OLD BECAUSE IT IS HARD TO FIND THE ORIGINAL QUOTES A YEAR AFTER THEY ARE MADE. WHY DON'T YOU ****ING GO BOTHER GABE WITH YOUR JACKASS THEORIES? EMAIL HIM AND HE WILL CONFIRM THAT THEY MISSED THEIR RELEASE DATE. but then...... you will want visual proof that it was gabe and the email wouldn't be good enough cuz his account might have been hacke right?......... i have another suggestion........ go shoot yourself

 

[cadaveca]

why don't you call gabe and ask him, you think we can read his mind?

no..i do not think you have telepathy. But maybe he had posted reasons somewhere, and by the way news travels here, i though someone might know. BTW, steam just updated agin for me.
I thought that some hardcore fan would know EVERYTHING about the game, but it seems you guys never even knew about Shaderday, minus a few of you. I thought i would go to the best HL2 website, and ask the gamer's opinion. instead i get flamed, and a billion answers that are all the same.

 

[cadaveca]

i'm going to say this again because obviously you need things repeated before it gets through that thick skull of yours. I REMEMBER VALVE REPS CONFIRMING SEPTEMBER 30TH 2003 AS THE ****ING RELEASE DATE, I AM NOT GOING TO GO SEARCHING FOR INFORMATION THAT IS OVER A YEAR OLD BECAUSE IT IS HARD TO FIND THE ORIGINAL QUOTES A YEAR AFTER THEY ARE MADE. WHY DON'T YOU ****ING GO BOTHER GABE WITH YOUR JACKASS THEORIES? EMAIL HIM AND HE WILL CONFIRM THAT THEY MISSED THEIR RELEASE DATE. but then...... you will want visual proof that it was gabe and the email wouldn't be good enough cuz his account might have been hacke right?......... i have another suggestion........ go shoot yourself

links? anywhere? oh, somebody already said what you said. so why post? oh yeah, adolescence. you are forgiven.
i won't waste Gabe's time with a discussion on a forum. He has a business to run. That's why i came here. the email address, that you all send to, was set-up for info on the stolen build, not questions, i beleive. I'm grateful that they answer some of the ones they get, but i won't waste thier time WHEN THE GAME IS NOT OUT YET. i'll email when the game is released...+ 6 months.