A Thread For UK Elections 2005

When a imigrant comes into this country, they get their house paid for, car, they get dissability fund if needed..(most asian get this tho as they fake it) If they want to drive they get their car, driving tests paid for, if they take public transport they get there busfare money. Yet u got a British civilian homess person living on the streets rough, where is the goverment there to help him?
 
weve got our morals screwed up, its more about the economy than the well being of the people these days. actually... since when has it been any different?. :(
 
I normally just stalk these forums, but this post has made me fired up enough to voice my opinion.

I whole heartedly agree with Kirovman. The line the BNP spouts is unfounded crap.

Most of the 'immigrants' were born in this country and have never lived in another. Many of them have never actually been outside of the UK in their entire lives. Despite what the BNP might tell you, people of African, Asian and Oriental origin have been living in this country since the mid 16 hundreds.

Immigrants do not 'steal people's jobs'. People who immigrate to this country fill important roles, and without the 1st generation immigrant community, many areas of British industry would be severely under-staffed. Most immigrants don't actually want to stay in this country, they simply have had to come here to find enough pay to get by.

Also, the immigrants don't seem to be able to win either way. If they get a job they are accused of stealing people's jobs (I personally have never met anyone whose job had been stolen by someone from another country). However, if they don't get a job, they are accused of living off benefits, which is actually more or less impossible unless you live alone and only buy the bare minimum of neccesities such as food.

When a imigrant comes into this country, they get their house paid for, car, they get dissability fund if needed..(most asian get this tho as they fake it) If they want to drive they get their car, driving tests paid for, if they take public transport they get there busfare money. Yet u got a British civilian homess person living on the streets rough, where is the goverment there to help him?
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Immigrants do not get housing paid for (unless you count living in a detention centre as proper housing), they do not get disability fund, they might get Immigrant Benefits (which are about a 3rd smaller than regular benefits), and they certainly don't get paid driving tests or busfare money.


I find the BNP's other pledges completly laughable though. "An assault rifle in every house". Does the person who thought up that pledge realise how much it would cost to arm the 67 million residents in the UK? And did they calculate the cost of ammunition?
 
lister said:
When a imigrant comes into this country, they get their house paid for, car, they get dissability fund if needed..(most asian get this tho as they fake it) If they want to drive they get their car, driving tests paid for, if they take public transport they get there busfare money. Yet u got a British civilian homess person living on the streets rough, where is the goverment there to help him?
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Eh, really?

My girlfriend, from China, whenever she comes to visit me, is classed as an 'immigrant' with a legal visitors visa.

If we decide to get her a settlement visa soon, I'm gonna look forward to this nice house, car, money, etc. :LOL:

Are you talking immigrants or Asylum seekers? (not the same thing, contrary to the Daily Mail's depiction of them).

I believe you have to be a British citizen to get benefits. Unless they have fake documents, which a Tory government will not solve.
The ID card scheme would probably work in this respect, to curb the immigrants who would illegally get benefits.

..(most asian get this tho as they fake it)
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and you're NOT a racist?

I normally just stalk these forums, but this post has made me fired up enough to voice my opinion.
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Welcome to the forums Lobster, hope to see more of your posts :)
 
I cant wait to see this country turn into Iraq, then u will know what a mistake it is to have them here.
 
lister said:
I cant wait to see this country turn into Iraq, then u will know what a mistake it is to have them here.
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The UK will never turn into Iraq, bar some incredibly drastic event. The only event I can see happening would be for a party such as the BNP to get into power, then repeat what happened in Germany during the 30's. I think people have learnt their lesson since then, and will turn out to vote against such parties, as they did in France when Jon Marie la Pen (sp?) started to get a fair chunk of the vote.

Also, what role did immigration play in the situation in Iraq? Saddam Hussein was a native Iraqi, and had been all his life.

Also, a question for all those opposed to immigration. What do you think of Ex-Pats from the US, France, Germany, Switzerland and many others coming into the country? They put no less "strain on our education system and public services", they require no less housing space and they also require jobs.

Welcome to the forums Lobster, hope to see more of your posts :)
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Thanks :)
Now to post something other than a political rant :p
 
Lobotomy Lobster said:
Also, a question for all those opposed to immigration. What do you think of Ex-Pats from the US, France, Germany, Switzerland and many others coming into the country? They put no less "strain on our education system and public services", they require no less housing space and they also require jobs.
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Or indeed, what do they think of those British Ex-pats who goto abroad?

Should we recall all British people from overseas to stop them putting strain on other countries?

Ironically, it's probably those people who complain about immigrants being in the UK that have had their friends illegally overstaying in Australia, and working there.

Realistically we can't just let British people travel the world, and expect noone to travel here. That would cause diplomatic conflict.
 
The way immigration is being argued over here and in the media is a red herring. Just because racists of course don't like immigrants or asylum seekers and are the ones always complaining, it doesn't naturally follow that the only path left for non-racists is to welcome unlimited immigration with open arms.
 
Laivasse said:
The way immigration is being argued over here and in the media is a red herring. Just because racists of course don't like immigrants or asylum seekers and are the ones always complaining, it doesn't naturally follow that the only path left for non-racists is to welcome unlimited immigration with open arms.
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Of course noone wants unlimited immigration, we don't want a billion people coming here, but that's not what is being proposed.
We have a rigorous system, have you any idea how difficult it is to get a visa? Much more than any EU country. Some argue getting a visa is more difficult for the UK than the USA.

It's not infallible though, people find loopholes and things, but they are being patched up. It's not as if the conservatives have the dream solution, if the conservatives get in, people will still be whining about immigration in 10 years.

Putting quotas on is unrealistic too, illegals will just find a way to cheat it, and the honest beneficial migrants will suffer for it.
 
lister said:
I cant wait to see this country turn into Iraq, then u will know what a mistake it is to have them here.
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I can't wait either. I mean, the birth of flying pigs and invention of a money tree all in one year? It sure will be fantastic :)

Seriously, you're clearly just buying into the nonsense so commonly spouted by parties like the BNP and our "delightful" press. Immigrants are rarely a problem, rarely commit any more crime than "white-as-bread" British born people and fill much needed holes in our workforce.

Seriously, I know Maddox is rarely a source for political facts and whatnot, but take a look at this. It humiliates a lot of "job stealing" arguments out there.

Do you even know the percentage of white Christians there are to non-white Christians? 7 out of 10. That's a lot. An awful lot. Especially since about 3/4 of those non-white citizens will be the family of those invited here after WWII.
 
Feath said:
The BNP have release their manifesto.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/BNP_uk_manifesto.pdf

They want everyone to own a gun. Seriously.
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Did you hear him on the news:

"Everyone who did national service will be required to own a gun in their house with ammunition, to shoot burglars, if they want, or to shoot foreign invaders, if they want"

These foreign invaders wouldn't happen to be immigrants, would they?

They want to give financial incentive for everyone not from British descent to leave the UK, even those of 5 or 6 generations (that would include Mr. Howard).

They also frown upon inter-racial relationships, saying "pure British bloodlines" are destroyed.

They want to stop immigration (does that include emmigration?) and withdraw troops from Iraq to make them "patrol the channel tunnel"

Racist Nazi twats.

Lucky they'll never get anywhere near a majority, eh? As an international power in the past, British people are generally tolerant and welcoming of other cultures.

And it wasn't other cultures which lead to the decline of British culture. It was the industrial revolution, colonialism, and post-colonialism, we did it to ourselves, we can't blame immigrants.
 
i hate racism in parties.

pure britishness? thats just going back to the 1930's, move on with the times!

our country is a place with all races and religions, we all live together in one country, i dont think many countries are as mixed as we are tbh..

i think people who come here free, and get a free house and job should think again tho, but foreigners that offer something to the communities around britain should be welcomed. (doctors etc..)
 
Heh.... pure Britishness isn't about genetics. Its a way of life... and a diverse way of life at that. Its a very cosmipolitan place to live.

If you wanted to get really technical, a pure Briton would have to be found millenia ago.
 
Pure british bloodlines?, they must be joking....unless they want to remove almost the entire population.
Its almost impossible to have a "pure british bloodline" .......stupid idiots.
While my grandparents are from UK and Wales e.t.c if i go back far enough i find blood from italy, france, germany, spain e.t.c
It's all a load of shit.
 
Farrowlesparrow said:
Just what decline are you talking about kirov?
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Well maybe decline is the wrong word...change away from traditional standards is perhaps more appropriate.

During the industrial revolution rural workers moved into the cities to work in factories.

During colonial years, we replaced some of our own culture with overseas cultures. This is natural progression, it reflects our own culture couldn't satisfy us completely, so we adopted some foreign cultures as our own.

Big examples include tea drinking, typical British stereotype - where does tea come from? It was made popular when we had colonial rule over India (major tea producer), therefore we adopted their culture as our own.

Some goes for Indian restaurants. It's called a "British food" now.

But that's progression, what do these people want, Britain to return to the good old days of feudalism?

And yes, the notion of pure british blood is rediculous. Maybe the "pure celts" have the right to ask the rest of us Anglo-saxons and Romans to leave.

Globalisation will inevitably create mixing of races, cultures and nations. That's no bad thing, if you actually mix them, rather than them living next door but never talking to one another. Creates an understanding between those involved.
 
Farrowlesparrow said:
Heh.... pure Britishness isn't about genetics. Its a way of life... and a diverse way of life at that. Its a very cosmipolitan place to live.

If you wanted to get really technical, a pure Briton would have to be found millenia ago.
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who once said:

'we are all immigrants'?
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i agree in a sense.
 
There are some things in the BNP manifesto i completely agree with, others i hate.

Same with all the parties really.
 
The thing that led to the collapse of the British Empire was World War 1 and World War 2, but i definately agree, Britain is pretty much the most broad minded and mixed country in the world with a mix of Asians, Africans, Caribean and European all living together.

However, when i go to London and travelling across London on the Underground, their are times when i do feel uncomfortable, not because i am the only white person there, but because i feel like i'm the only western person there i.e. everyone else is speaking Hebrew or Arabic and in very traditional Muslim clothing. In my opinion, immigrants who do settle here should be encouraged to grasp the British way of life, not lose their heritage but just to assimilate themselves into British culture a bit.
 
isnt there a white minority in London? anyway..

i read in the paper this week extremists want UK to be the next islamic state.. but i hardly take in anything what the tabloid papers say..lol.

i do agree with you razor, if they want to live here, they will have too benefit our country, and have a bit of knowledge on it.
 
Heh, I can see the BNP coming round to my house...

"Mr.*******, were your ancestors Norman aliens?"
"Uh, yes, I think so."
"Get in the van. You're going back to France, immigrant scum!"
 
Kangy said:
Heh, I can see the BNP coming round to my house...

"Mr.*******, were your descendants Norman aliens?"
"Uh, yes, I think so."
"Get in the van. You're going back to France, immigrant scum!"
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I don't think you'd need to convince and talk around very many people to leave the country if the bnp ever got in power.
 
Razor said:
I don't think you'd need to convince and talk around very many people to leave the country if the bnp ever got in power.
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Either that, or take up arms and fight out a civil war.

:sniper:
 
kirovman said:
If BNP got into power, I'm sure we'd see a mass EMMIGRATION of decent British people who were disgusted that such a government got into power.
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F*ck that - kick up a fire and start a civil war. I would refuse to live under such an obviously racist party. Their desire for credibility and their employing Hitlerian tactics sickens me to the core of my being.

People, as you said, are confusing illegal immigrants and multiculturalism, the result of which is a frightening rise in bad feeling that often verges on racism. I say "verges", I mean "skips merrily around in the territories of racist beliefs and prejudices".
People seem to be forgetting that a lot of people in the NHS are immigrants. People also seem to be forgetting that the reason the UK opened its doors after WW2 is because we wanted people to help clean up our country. How very benevolent of us. This is why - and far be it from me to generalise - a lot of people from ethnic backgrounds have more menial jobs. Obviously that's far from the golden rule, and that's changing a lot, but it is an observable thing.

Finally, the idea that illegal immigrants are "stealing" our jobs is so ridiculous. You do realise that they get the worst of the worst and get paid f*ck all. And at the end of the day, shouldn't you be directing your hatred for this gross injustice at THEIR EMPLOYERS rather than them. They're getting exploited desperately so that these people can make higher profits. These people are often white, but heaven forfend we should castigate members of our own race.
Plus, can you truly defend capitalism whilst being angry at the employment of illegal immigrants? They're using cheaper labour so they can make higher profits - it happens with countries all over the world. That's capitalism for you.
 
el Chi said:
Finally, the idea that illegal immigrants are "stealing" our jobs is so ridiculous. You do realise that they get the worst of the worst and get paid f*ck all. And at the end of the day, shouldn't you be directing your hatred for this gross injustice at THEIR EMPLOYERS rather than them. They're getting exploited desperately so that these people can make higher profits. These people are often white, but heaven forfend we should castigate members of our own race.
Plus, can you truly defend capitalism whilst being angry at the employment of illegal immigrants? They're using cheaper labour so they can make higher profits - it happens with countries all over the world. That's capitalism for you.
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I like the link that Kangy posted on this specific area:
http://maddox.xmission.com/hatemail.cgi?p=1#CLUETRAIN
 
Kangy said:
Heh, I can see the BNP coming round to my house...

"Mr.*******, were your descendants Norman aliens?"
"Uh, yes, I think so."
"Get in the van. You're going back to France, immigrant scum!"
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Do you not mean Ancestors?
 
KoreBolteR said:
kangy, blair and howard are as bad as eachother.
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I don't really agree with that. I mean, sure, they're all politicians, but Blair actually seems like a nice guy to me. A little lost at times, but a nice guy anyway. Howard just comes off as a bit of a prick really. Kennedy also seems like a cool person.

Sure, they've all got their faults, but who doesn't? Since when did we vote for a Prime Minister instead of a MP, anyway?
 
Kangy said:
I don't really agree with that. I mean, sure, they're all politicians, but Blair actually seems like a nice guy to me. A little lost at times, but a nice guy anyway. Howard just comes off as a bit of a prick really. Kennedy also seems like a cool person.

Sure, they've all got their faults, but who doesn't? Since when did we vote for a Prime Minister instead of a MP, anyway?
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Well in my view, howard seems down to earth and honest, blair seems like the prick and kennedy seems like a nice guy but with little political motivation.
Now, my view is different to yours, neither can be right or wrong.....its all from where you stand.

It's democracy
 
short recoil said:
Yeah, whichever way you vote, you vote for an idiot.....including lib dems.
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Kennedy isn't an idiot. None of them are. But Kennedy doesn't look like an idiot.
 
I have no idea how anyone can still be falling for the Blair "nice guy" image. He's an insipid shit, and frankly dangerous - precisely because he aims to convince himself with his own propaganda, before he aims to convince everyone else. If Blair came to your school as part of a Christian rock band or something, you'd puke at his over-earnestness.

And for a supposedly down-to-earth and humble guy he shows an amazing lack of humility with regards to the Iraq war.

Also - the terrorist threat is so high here in Britain that we supposedly have to pass legislation which tramples our civil liberties, but we DON'T have to tighten border controls? Not only that but anyone who campaigns to that end is derided as a racist? **** Blair and **** the politically correct, morally inconsistent hypocritical propaganda of the Labour campaign. They've infuriated me too much to stand a chance of my vote.
 
Howard strikes me as a cekniving [sp?] slimy little shit and we all know what Blair's track record is. Lib Dems for me, they seem to hurl a lot less shit at other parties than they do themselves.
 
Laivasse said:
I have no idea how anyone can still be falling for the Blair "nice guy" image. He's an insipid shit, and frankly dangerous - precisely because he aims to convince himself with his own propaganda, before he aims to convince everyone else. If Blair came to your school as part of a Christian rock band or something, you'd puke at his over-earnestness.
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I have to agree. Nice guys don't ignore the people of their country, and aren't arrogant enough to simply decline to answer questions of things if national importance, as Blair has done on many occasions.


Lib Dems for me, they seem to hurl a lot less shit at other parties than they do themselves.
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Same here. The Lib Dems seem to be talking about the big issues like the health service, education and enviromental awareness, rather than taking something small like immigration and blowing it up out of all preportion, then slandering the other party leaders for good measure.
 
short recoil said:
Well in my view, howard seems down to earth and honest
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Our survey saaaays... <Loud buzzer noise>
He has a go at Blair for the way he handled the war in Iraq; I guarantee you Howard would have done no differently. However he can't admit any possibility of agreeing with the opposition ever (unless someone dies or something). There is no way in Hell he would've listened to public opinion.
He rails against immigrants, yet his parents immigrated to this country from Romania.
And... lest we forget. Yes, it's a link.
 
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