Baghdad Residents Kill Three Militants

[KoreBolteR]

sorry but I dont agree ...Iraq is much worse off now than during saddam's time ...100% of iraqis are on food rations ..during the worst days of the sanctions only 67% were using rations. Not too mention that far more civilians die today than they did during saddam's time ...before I hear the outrage of the insane right, I'd like to remind you that the majority of people saddam killed were men. The US intervention has done far more damage to iraq than saddam ever did ..this is indisputable

..yeah, his sons raped all the women... :upstare:

the only reason the US has killed some civilians is because the terrorists used them as a shield, knowing anti-war protesters would jump at the chance!

face it, the people were more scared of saddam than they are the Coalition.
heck, they are more scared of the terrorists than they were saddam.. but its always nice too see 84 of these terrorists killed by iraqi forces themselves.. iraqis really making a difference, to make a iraq a safe and happy place one and for all.

now they can choose thier government, protest, and have a bit more money.. as id like to remind you before they were very poor due to Saddam and friends stole all the oil-for-food money etc...

when Saddam was in power the people were just like lab rats.

I guess the media is to blame in a large way..

well i agree with you on that one.

 

[Solaris]

Are you an Iraqi? The terrorists are not using civillians as a sheild, the usa are just shooting anyone, hoping for a terrorist. Maybe paying sudamm 3billion to step down would have worked, instead of invading.

 

[Nofuture]

I dont see any mass graves in Iraq unless they are being discovered by american forces. You'd bitch about anything.

Iraq Body Count


Mass Graves and Burned Meat in Bush's New Iraq, June 26, 2003
http://www.counterpunch.org/floyd06262003.html

"They were digging mass graves in Iraq last week.

No, not the mass graves that George W. Bush now reflexively invokes to justify his murder of up to 10,000 innocent Iraqi civilians and the needless deaths of more than 200 American soldiers in the aggressive war he launched on the basis of proven lies and outright fabrications. Those mass graves, containing victims of Saddam Hussein's dictatorship, were dug years ago, back when powerful American officials like Dick Cheney, Colin Powell and Paul Wolfowitz were pursuing "closer ties" to the Saddam regime at the signed, insistent order of another president named George Bush.

They were also being dug all over Iraq when Donald Rumsfeld was eagerly pressing Saddamite flesh as Ronald Reagan's special envoy, restoring diplomatic ties with the CIA-supported killer. Oh, to have been a fly on that wall as Rumsfeld squinted tenderly into Saddam's beady eyes and pledged to lavish the burly beloved with American money to build his war machine, American technology to fuel his internal repression, American honor to secure him credit and diplomatic backing abroad, and American military intelligence for his poison gassing of Iranian troops and missile attacks on Iranian civilians. How many thousands of innocent lives were sacrificed in that moment of explosive power-guy passion! It must have been one steamy love scene, a real bodice-ripper.

We're now told that those mass graves are bad mass graves, although they were perfectly acceptable at the time. (Then again, fashions do change, don't they? Remember when presidential deceit was an impeachable offense? When military aggression was a war crime? Ah, those silly fads of yesteryear.) But the new mass graves being dug in Iraq today--for the innocent collaterals killed during the American military sweeps last week--are good mass graves, you see, because the aged farmers, retarded teenagers, young fathers and fleeing women now being shoveled into fetid desert pits were killed by the bombs and bullets of liberation!"

 

[CptStern]

..yeah, his sons raped all the women... :upstare:

the only reason the US has killed some civilians is because the terrorists used them as a shield, knowing anti-war protesters would jump at the chance!

why? why? do you bother posting without checking sources? over 7000 iraqi civilians were killed during the invasion ..where they hiding behind terrorists ..ummm before you answer here's a hint THERE WERE NO TERRORISTS WHILE SADDAM WAS IN POWER

..face it, the people were more scared of saddam than they are the Coalition.
heck, they are more scared of the terrorists than they were saddam.. but its always nice too see 84 of these terrorists killed by iraqi forces themselves.. iraqis really making a difference, to make a iraq a safe and happy place one and for all.

is that why the majority of iraqis want the coalition out of iraq?

before you start you're usualy tirade about "bias in media" let me point out that this is coming directly from iraqis ..check the source

..now they can choose thier government, protest, and have a bit more money.. as id like to remind you before they were very poor due to Saddam and friends stole all the oil-for-food money etc...

when Saddam was in power the people were just like lab rats.

it's like beating my head against a wall ..when did the sanctions start? dont know? 1990, when was the oil-for-food program started? dont know early 1997 ..when did those 500,000 children die due to lack of drinking water etc? dont know? between 1991 and 1996 ...so tell me again how saddam stealing money had anything to do with the deaths of 500,000 children? ..before you start saying "well it's just left propaganda" I'll point out that that the Iraq Water Treatment document is an OFFICIAL US DIA document ..it is indisputable

 

[KoreBolteR]

The terrorists are not using civillians as a sheild, the usa are just shooting anyone, hoping for a terrorist. Maybe paying sudamm 3billion to step down would have worked, instead of invading.

you have obviously no idea what your talking about there..

yeh the terrorists want the US to shoot civilians, so there will be more anti-american people in the world, therefore favouring the terrorists. AND to pressure america to exit, leaving behind a land full of iraqis and an organised terrorist rule that would rub its hand with glee to terrorise the nation without any opposition.

i cant believe you think the US are just shooting anyone, thats just a ridiculous excuse simply because you do not agree with the war...

Are you an Iraqi? .

British.

 

[Solaris]

The US are just shooting anyone, hell they even tried to shoot a released hostage. Their so called precision missles killed 7000 civilians, heres to videos from a chopper, as they open fire without warning.

{link removed}

I saw another one of fallujah where a group of 30 individuals were walking down the street, they were all killed. Without warning, hell they could have been children. And have you seen what they have done to fallujah? I has been leeled I mean every street ripped open by bombs, the USA show absolutley no regard for civillian lives.

 

[KoreBolteR]

why? why? do you bother posting without checking sources? over 7000 iraqi civilians were killed during the invasion ..where they hiding behind terrorists ..ummm before you answer here's a hint THERE WERE NO TERRORISTS WHILE SADDAM WAS IN POWER

there was terrorists in Saudi Arabia, Syria, Afghanistan, Morrocco and many more middle eastern countries. heck how can you rule out that there wasnt any terrorists in Iraq when Saddam was in Power. especially when Saddam was linked to Al-qaeda

how do you know for certain there were 7000 iraqis dead because of the US invasion?

is that why the majority of iraqis want the coalition out of iraq?

before you start you're usualy tirade about "bias in media" let me point out that this is coming directly from iraqis ..check the source

directly from iraqis? is there video evidence of these groups of Iraqis saying USA LEAVE... and even then that could be a minority opinion out of millions...

obviously this Social Worker Sabah Jawad, is an anti-coalition writer, of course shes gonna write negative 'opinions' on Iraq.

this person obviously wants too sway more people to go against America, or to be used as a 'source'.

it's like beating my head against a wall ..when did the sanctions start? dont know? 1990, when was the oil-for-food program started? dont know early 1997 ..when did those 500,000 children die due to lack of drinking water etc? dont know? between 1991 and 1996 ...so tell me again how saddam stealing money had anything to do with the deaths of 500,000 children? ..before you start saying "well it's just left propaganda" I'll point out that that the Iraq Water Treatment document is an OFFICIAL US DIA document ..it is indisputable

btw your not converting me in anyway.
but i agree with you on that, the water in gulf war one was bad..

id also like to add that i wasnt talking about Persian Gulf War 1 or the mass water infections etc..

does the oil for food program have anything to do with the water crisis in the 90's?

..now they can choose thier government, protest, and have a bit more money.. as id like to remind you before they were very poor due to Saddam and friends stole all the oil-for-food money etc...

i'm still sticking by that. even tho i do agree the water situation was pretty bad back in the Persian war. i need to brush up on my history of this water scandal, only jus read that DIA document you kindly passed onto me... :upstare:

when Saddam was in power the people were just like lab rats.

 

[bliink]

heres to videos from a chopper, as they open fire without warning.
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Sorry, but I don't think footage of people being blasted apart and splattered on the road by 30mm rounds is acceptable here.
(Especially while I'm trying to eat a donut!)

 

[Bodacious]

sorry but I dont agree ...Iraq is much worse off now than during saddam's time ...100% of iraqis are on food rations ..during the worst days of the sanctions only 67% were using rations. Not too mention that far more civilians die today than they did during saddam's time ...before I hear the outrage of the insane right, I'd like to remind you that the majority of people saddam killed were men. The US intervention has done far more damage to iraq than saddam ever did ..this is indisputable

1. Who do you think the other 33% that weren't on rations were? Do you really think the were the people being oppressed? No, they were the ba'athists that lived under the privilage that saddam gave them. 67% were oppressed while 33% got fat and happy. Now 100% are equal, instead of 33% being above the rest.

2. Far more die today than under saddam's time? Yah rgiht. I would like a source on this.

3. Saddam killed a lot of women and children. A lot of his mass graves were of raped women. I know because I was there when they were being unearthed and I heard the reports about them.

4. Funny you call someone out about arguing facts when you present none of your own. All you do is make accusations as well.

 

[Solaris]

Now 100% are equal, instead of 33% being above the rest.

Yes there now all equally oppresed, isnt that better.
So what if there all being shot at now, at least there all the same. except for places where we belive terrorists may be, we'll shoot you on site there.

 

[Nofuture]

how do you know for certain there were 7000 iraqis dead because of the US invasion?

Minimum 17,186 Maximum 19,559 by now
http://iraqbodycount.net/

The IRAQ BODY COUNT Project
http://www.iraqbodycount.net/background.htm

This is a human security project to establish an independent and comprehensive public database of media-reported civilian deaths in Iraq resulting directly from military action by the USA and its allies in 2003. In the current occupation phase this database includes all deaths which the Occupying Authority has a binding responsibility to prevent under the Geneva Conventions and Hague Regulations. This includes civilian deaths resulting from the breakdown in law and order, and deaths due to inadequate health care or sanitation.

...

Methodology ..."

 

[seinfeldrules]

Man, stern really has walked off the deep end. People have argued that he wasnt Anti-American, but how can you argue that now that he claims that the US is worse than Saddam. What a joke.

 

[Absinthe]

but as soon as the 'civilian' shoots at us troops possibly killing innocent iraqis.. blowing up cars, themselves to kill other innocents, they do automatically turn into a terrorist.

they have no respect for thier contry nor people.. as demonstrated by those 3 shopkeeper/pedestrians earlier this week.

but the iraqis want to get these terrorists, get rid of an evil force in thier country. even the iraqi army has done another succesful mission. wp to them.

Iraqi forces successful again




okay, sorry :E

Forget it. After multiple posts of explaining this to you, you still don't ****ing get it.

*walks away considering Kore to be a hopeless case*

 

[CptStern]

well at least everyone KNEW saddam was a bastard ...what's your excuse?


edit: I'll be back to solidify my statements with indisputable facts

 

[KoreBolteR]

Forget it. After multiple posts of explaining this to you, you still don't ****ing get it.

*walks away considering Kore to be a hopeless case*

i see what your saying, which in some cases could be true..
i dont know, im not in iraq right now, neither are you.

so you dont know either.

 

[KoreBolteR]

well at least everyone KNEW saddam was a bastard ...what's your excuse?


edit: I'll be back to solidify my statements with indisputable facts

LOL how many times do you post this DIA water website thingy.

i'd like to congratulate you on your first non-media biased post stern
anyway that DIA document is talking about gulf war 1, not gulf war 2.. please lets keep our eyes focused on the future , its looking good out there atm.

 

[KoreBolteR]

Minimum 17,186 Maximum 19,559 by now
http://iraqbodycount.net/

The IRAQ BODY COUNT Project
http://www.iraqbodycount.net/background.htm

This is a human security project to establish an independent and comprehensive public database of media-reported civilian deaths in Iraq resulting directly from military action by the USA and its allies in 2003. In the current occupation phase this database includes all deaths which the Occupying Authority has a binding responsibility to prevent under the Geneva Conventions and Hague Regulations. This includes civilian deaths resulting from the breakdown in law and order, and deaths due to inadequate health care or sanitation.

...

Methodology ..."

i find it baffling how this "iraq body count" know this .. :|

have they gone around counting every single body? cos that would take decades.

they have added a few numbers on the end of that figure.

actual iraqi civilians dead by US actions: 1000
media biased count on dead civilians in iraq: 19,000

pmw :upstare: :imu:



just realised, sorry about the triple post, ive now made myself look a real fool. :|

 

[GhostFox]

Stern is my idol, so from now on I will only post one meaningless and off topic link as my reply to all topics. Maybe if others do the same, the mods will crack down on the spam.

Anyway, I'm right and you are wrong. Isn't this fun?

Woo-hoo

 

[CptStern]

there was terrorists in Saudi Arabia, Syria, Afghanistan, Morrocco and many more middle eastern countries. heck how can you rule out that there wasnt any terrorists in Iraq when Saddam was in Power. especially when Saddam was linked to Al-qaeda

how do you know for certain there were 7000 iraqis dead because of the US invasion?

"This database includes up to 7,350 deaths which resulted from coalition military action during the "major-combat" phase prior to May 1st 2003."

i find it baffling how this "iraq body count" know this ..

have they gone around counting every single body? cos that would take decades.

they have added a few numbers on the end of that figure.

actual iraqi civilians dead by US actions: 1000
media biased count on dead civilians in iraq: 19,000

here's everything you need to know


btw the Lancet a respected medical research organization put projected Iraqi deaths at closer to 100,000 ..iraqbodycount only posts deaths that they have confirmed ..read their methodolgy

directly from iraqis?

yes:

Occupationwatch.org: An international coalition of peace and justice groups, together with Iraqi counterparts, has launched a Baghdad-based International Occupation Watch Center

is there video evidence of these groups of Iraqis saying USA LEAVE... and even then that could be a minority opinion out of millions...

obviously this Social Worker Sabah Jawad, is an anti-coalition writer, of course shes gonna write negative 'opinions' on Iraq.

this person obviously wants too sway more people to go against America, or to be used as a 'source'.

it's called "cross-referencing" ..which you probably should have done yourself:

the majority of Iraqis want Coalition troops out of the country

the majority of Iraqis want Coalition troops out of the country

btw your not converting me in anyway.
but i agree with you on that, the water in gulf war one was bad..

you just dont get it ...the whole thing was engineered from day one ..saddam was targeted for removal and the civilians of iraq were used as bait

id also like to add that i wasnt talking about Persian Gulf War 1 or the mass water infections etc..

you dont seem to grasp the implications or for that matter any of the finer details behind the issues ..it's almost as if you have 3 lines of logic you live by: 1. saddam is the bad guy 2. The Coalition are the good guys 3. When good guys and bad guys fight the bad guys always go to jail

does the oil for food program have anything to do with the water crisis in the 90's?

sigh ...the oil for food program was initiated because of the heavy mortality rates in children ..again before the "looney" right gets on about "saddam should have fed those kids" ..malnutrition was caused by lack of drinking water ..anyone who's a parent knows that babies need milk from their mothers ...milk is made up of ..water ...oh and guess what dilutes formula and pablum? water guess what's needed to prepare most foods? water ..guess which resource is absolutely essential for human survival: water

read this:

http://www.gulflink.osd.mil/declassdocs/dia/19950901/950901_0504rept_91.html

this

http://www.gulflink.osd.mil/declassdocs/dia/19950901/950901_0pgv072_90p.html

and this

http://www.gulflink.osd.mil/declassdocs/dia/19951016/951016_0me018_91.html



too lazy to read them? here's some highlights:


"assessment is that major disease outbreaks currently have not occurred in Baghdad or Basrah. For severe outbreaks to develop, a protracted war or more extensive collateral damage would have to occur.

However, conditions are favorable for communicable disease outbreaks, particularly in major urban areas affected by coalition bombing."


"MOST LIKELY DISEASES DURING THE FOLLOWING 90-180 DAYS

- Diarrheal diseases (particularly children)
- Acute respiratory illnesses (colds)
- Typhoid
- Hepatitis A (particularly children)
- Conjunctivitis (Eye infections)
- Measles, diphtheria, and pertussis (particularly children)
- Cutaneous leishmaniasis
- Meningococcal meningitis (particularly children)
- Malaria
- Cholera (possible, but less likely)"



"THEY [US source] STATED THAT IN THE SOUTH, 80 PERCENT OF THE DEATHS WERE CHILDREN (WITH THE EXCEPTION OF AL AMARAH, WHERE 60 PERCENT OF DEATHS WERE CHILDREN).


btw these are declassified US govt documents: they're indisputable

i'm still sticking by that. even tho i do agree the water situation was pretty bad back in the Persian war. i need to brush up on my history of this water scandal, only jus read that DIA document you kindly passed onto me... :upstare:

you dont seem to comprehend the situation or history of the war in iraq get back to me when you've brushed up on it.

 

[GhostFox]

You're wrong. My evidence is indisputable.

 

[Calanen]

Terrorists shoot US forces, not civilians.

but Terrorists dress and try look like Civilians.

So are you gonna say civilians shooting terrorists are muslim traitors? cos thats what Al-Qaeda of Iraq is going to believe.

Don't kid yourself. Terrorists are far less concerned about 'collateral damage' than the US ever has been. Terrorists kill whoever oppose them or stand in their way, and whoever just happens to be nearby their intended target. Muslim, USA, civilian soldier - does not matter to them. What they want is Iraq's oil for themselves, their terrorist cartel of ex-Baathists cronies. And they will kill whoever they can to get it.

 

[Sprafa]

Omfg, so much ignorance in this thread.

It's obvious people are living awfully with the crappy "rebuilding" the USA is making, and that they aren't very discriminate about who to kill. American arrogance never ceases to surprise me.

Terrorists ? Stop calling them Terrorists. They're Iraqis. They're people. You should stop looking at the world in such a black and white fashion, saying that "this guy is evil and this guy is good". Just because I kill an American citizen, I'm not a terrorist. Guess what, maybe he owned me money. Maybe he left me while I was trying to explain him something. Maybe I'm just a serial killer. Guess what, people are complex individuals, just because they don't like America or do not that doesn't makes them a "terrorist".
I get so ****ed up of just reading the posts in this section.

 

[seinfeldrules]

Just because I kill an American citizen, I'm not a terrorist.

So somebody who purposely targets a civilian for a political/ideological cause is not a terrorist? I dont have a problem referring to individuals who attack American troops as insurgents, but those terrorists who attack civilians should be called just that, terrorists.

 

[CptStern]

So somebody who purposely targets a civilian for a political/ideological cause is not a terrorist?

must I link to the iraq water assessment doc for the 3,456,7623' th time?

 

[seinfeldrules]

must I link to the iraq water assessment doc for the 3,456,7623' th time?

We offered methods for Saddam to get out of the sanctions, he refused. We allowed the importation of necessary supplies, but some chemicals and other equipment could obviously not be imported due to his willingness to seek out and use chemical weapons.

 

[CptStern]

We offered methods for Saddam to get out of the sanctions, he refused.

so you went ahead and bombed the treatment plants anyway knowing full well that children were going to die in the thousands. knowing that saddam wouldnt be affected in the least. Oppression, terrorism whatever you want to call it, the documents prove the US purposefully targeted innocent civilians for a horrible inhumane death. Children ffs seinfeldrules, are you that freakin jaded that you cant sympathise with the deaths of almost half a million children under the age of nine. That in itself probably bred generations of terrorists looking to even the score for the US' cruel and dispicable act

We allowed the importation of necessary supplies, but some chemicals and other equipment could obviously not be imported due to his willingness to seek out and use chemical weapons.

:upstare: what colour is the sky in your world seinfeldrules?


Rep. Tony P. Hall:
"Holds on contracts for the water and sanitation sector are a prime reason for the increases in sickness and death," Hall wrote. Of the 18 contracts, all but one hold was placed by the U.S. Government. The contracts are for purification chemicals, chlorinators, chemical dosing pumps, water tankers, and other equipment."


didnt know chlorinators were used in wmd production

 

[Bodacious]

Water purification chemicals can be used to make deadly gases. You go huff some chlorine gas and see how long you live.

 

[Llama]

is it REALLY likely they would use water-purification chemicals in WMD's?
If they were as dangerous ol' Bush SAID they were, we would have had our asses gassed to australia by now

 

[Bodacious]

is it REALLY likely they would use water-purification chemicals in WMD's?
If they were as dangerous ol' Bush SAID they were, we would have had our asses gassed to australia by now

Would you want to take the risk?

What if we allowed him to have those and then thousands of people died from chlorine poisoning, or whatever because of the chemicals you gave him. How would you feel then?

It is a trade off. What is greater? The risk of WMD development or water treatment?

We know Saddam wanted to develop WMD thanks to the Duelfer report. We know saddam didn't care much for his people because he had plenty of resources to help his people.

You decide what saddam would have done with them. I choose to err on the side of caution.

 

[CptStern]

Water purification chemicals can be used to make deadly gases. You go huff some chlorine gas and see how long you live.

and I guess chlorinators can be used to make nukes and water tanks can be melted down to make bayonets and shell casings :upstare: children Bodacious, not combatants CHILDREN ..it was done purposefully and methodically

 

[Llama]

yet another peice of "Military intelligence" from American high command :|

 

[Bodacious]

and I guess chlorinators can be used to make nukes and water tanks can be melted down to make bayonets and shell casings :upstare: children Bodacious, not combatants CHILDREN ..it was done purposefully and methodically

See post #69

 

[CptStern]

Would you want to take the risk?

What if we allowed him to have those and then thousands of people died from chlorine poisoning, or whatever because of the chemicals you gave him. How would you feel then?

It is a trade off. What is greater? The risk of WMD development or water treatment?
.

so you chose the deaths of 500, 000 children over what? bullshit justifications that he could make wmd? how do you explain this:


water treatment assessment doc:

IRAQ'S RIVERS ALSO CONTAIN BIOLOGICAL MATERIALS,POLLUTANTS, AND ARE LADEN WITH BACTERIA. UNLESS THE WATER IS PURIFIED WITH CHLORINE EPIDEMICS OF SUCH DISEASES AS CHOLERA,HEPATITIS, AND TYPHOID COULD OCCUR.

"MOST LIKELY DISEASES DURING THE FOLLOWING 90-180 DAYS

- Diarrheal diseases (particularly children)
- Acute respiratory illnesses (colds)
- Typhoid
- Hepatitis A (particularly children)
- Conjunctivitis (Eye infections)
- Measles, diphtheria, and pertussis (particularly children)
- Cutaneous leishmaniasis
- Meningococcal meningitis (particularly children)
- Malaria
- Cholera (possible, but less likely)"



funny how they dont mention in any of the official documents that chlorine could be used in wmd production



you're really stretching it bodacious ..just admit how you truely feel about it: "iraqis are not as valuable as americans" ..how else can you explain the fact that you're ignoring culpability in the deaths of 500,000 children?

 

[seinfeldrules]

funny how they dont mention in any of the official documents that chlorine could be used in wmd production

Chlorine can definitely be used to make chemical weapons. Are you daft?

A chemical weapon is any weapon that uses a manufactured chemical to kill people. The first chemical weapon used effectively in battle was chlorine gas, which burns and destroys lung tissue. Chlorine is not an exotic chemical. Most municipal water systems use it today to kill bacteria. It is easy to manufacture from common table salt. In World War I, the German army released tons of the gas to create a cloud that the wind carried toward the enemy.

http://science.howstuffworks.com/biochem-war2.htm

After he commited these atrocities those chemicals couldnt be allowed into the country. It was a two sided blade.:

The pictures are said to have been taken in the aftermath of Saddam's attack using chemical weapons and cluster bombs on the Kurdish city of Halabja (population estimated at 70,000) on March 17, 1988. Halabja is located about 150 miles northeast of Baghdad and 8-10 miles from the Iranian border. The attack, said to have involved mustard gas, nerve agent and possibly cyanide, killed an estimated 5,000 of the town's inhabitants.

*GRAPHIC IMAGES*
http://www.kdp.pp.se/chemical.html

so you went ahead and bombed the treatment plants anyway knowing full well that children were going to die in the thousands.

We did it hoping Saddam would be forced out by his own people.

children Bodacious, not combatants CHILDREN

Kind of like the children Saddam gassed with chemical weapons?

http://www.kdp.pp.se/2604.jpg

Finally, I am sure there is more than one method to purify water. These appear to be some ways:

How can I get rid of contaminants?

There are a number of different ways to decontaminate (or purify) water. coarse filtration activated carbon filtration , reverse osmosis, Deionization, organic adsorption, microporous filtration, ultrafiltration, ultraviolet oxidation and distillation are all technologies used in combination to production of laboratory, pharmaceutical or ultra pure water.

Oh and stern, way to go. You managed to push another positive article about Iraq into another anti-American tirade.

 

[Bodacious]

so you chose the deaths of 500, 000 children over what? bullshit justifications that he could make wmd? how do you explain this:

*omitted for length*

Like sienfeld rules said, we did it hoping a revolt would ensue. Not only that, but saddam had the ability to make up for this disaster, he isntead spent the money on himself.

funny how they dont mention in any of the official documents that chlorine could be used in wmd production

Like seinfeldrules siad, Chlorine can definitely be used to make chemical weapons. Are you daft?

you're really stretching it bodacious ..just admit how you truely feel about it: "iraqis are not as valuable as americans" ..how else can you explain the fact that you're ignoring culpability in the deaths of 500,000 children?

I am not going to lie to myself and you just for your satisfaction.

This is my view:

Would you want to take the risk?

What if we allowed him to have those and then thousands of people died from chlorine poisoning, or whatever because of the chemicals you gave him. How would you feel then?

It is a trade off. What is greater? The risk of WMD development or water treatment?

We know Saddam wanted to develop WMD thanks to the Duelfer report. We know saddam didn't care much for his people because he had plenty of resources to help his people.

You decide what saddam would have done with them. I choose to err on the side of caution.

 

[Bodacious]

Just in case you didn't know, stern, here is what chlorine gas can do to you:

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/FWWchlorine.htm

Chlorine gas destroyed the respiratory organs of its victims and this led to a slow death by asphyxiation. One nurse described the death of one soldier who had been in the trenches during a chlorine gas attack. “He was sitting on the bed, fighting for breath, his lips plum coloured. He was a magnificent young Canadian past all hope in the asphyxia of chlorine. I shall never forget the look in his eyes as he turned to me and gasped: I can’t die! Is it possible that nothing can be done for me?” It was a horrible death, but as hard as they tried, doctors were unable to find a way of successfully treating chlorine gas poisoning.

Again, why take the risk?

Oh, and that was in 1915. There is no telling what could be developed of chlorine after 80 plus years of technological advancement.

 

[CptStern]

Just in case you didn't know, stern, here is what chlorine gas can do to you:

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/FWWchlorine.htm



Again, why take the risk?

Oh, and that was in 1915. There is no telling what could be developed of chlorine after 80 plus years of technological advancement.

you seem to forget that wmd were not an issue in 1991

 

[CptStern]

Like sienfeld rules said, we did it hoping a revolt would ensue. Not only that, but saddam had the ability to make up for this disaster, he isntead spent the money on himself.

sigh ...you people make me ill ..children bodacious ..is that worth it? you dont see any problem with the US using children to get at saddam? there's no hope for any of you ..once again you people are hypocrites ...if even one of those dead children were american you'd be screaming bloody murder ...but since the children were iraq ..it's justifiable ..I really hope neither of you ever reproduce

Like seinfeldrules siad, Chlorine can definitely be used to make chemical weapons. Are you daft?

are you sub-par in the intelligence scale? they destroyed the water treatment plants, their own documents prove that they initiated the deaths of hundreds of thousands of children not because of wmd but in an attempt to force saddam to circumvent UN sanctions. It says so right in the documents ..but I doubts you guys bothered reading it because that would be too much to ask that you take a hardlook at actual facts

I am not going to lie to myself and you just for your satisfaction.

This is my view:

your viewpoint is full of misinformation and outright lies

you're patriotism is based on the false assumption that your country can do no wrong ...too bad the evidence does support that

 

[No Limit]

sigh ...you people make me ill ..children bodacious ..is that worth it? you dont see any problem with the US using children to get at saddam? there's no hope for any of you ..once again you people are hypocrites ...if even one of those dead children were american you'd be screaming bloody murder ...but since the children were iraq ..it's justifiable ..I really hope neither of you ever reproduce

This is always the case. If it doesn't happen to their family or anyone close to them, oh well. I love how these republicans scream "right to life", they need to add ...only when it applies to our political ideology.

 

[seinfeldrules]

Wait, so you guys were all for Iraqi civilians...



Yet if you were President, Saddam would still be in power. I fail to see where we are any more hypocritical than that. And stern, leave your insulting commentary out of the debate, there is no need for it.