Baghdad Residents Kill Three Militants

[CptStern]

Wait, so you guys were all for Iraqi civilians...



Yet if you were President, Saddam would still be in power. I fail to see where we are any more hypocritical than that. And stern, leave your insulting commentary out of the debate, there is no need for it.

again you're avoiding the issues as you always do ...I never supported saddam, I never thought it was good idea for the US to support a murderous tyrant ..you caused this YOU deal with it ...you people didnt give a shit when the US sold wmd to saddam which was used to kills thousands of people ..you just conviently defer blame. Seinfeldrules I've said it before I'll say it again, you have no business pursuing a careeer in intelligence, you're not in the least objective. You cant accept eviodence as it is: at face value ..avoidance and shirking of responsibility is NOT a good trait to have in the field of intelligence

 

[seinfeldrules]

again you're avoiding the issues as you always do

I'm not the one avoiding posts and arguments.

...I never supported saddam

He would still be in power with you in charge. Not only would he be in power, but he'd have a few more palaces in Kuwait with his name on them.

you caused this YOU deal with it

Seinfeldrules I've said it before I'll say it again, you have no business pursuing a careeer in intelligence, you're not in the least objective. You cant accept eviodence as it is: at face value ..avoidance and shirking of responsibility is NOT a good trait to have in the field of intelligence

I really could care less what you think stern, so how about you leave my personal decisions out of your arguments from now on? This isnt the first time you've attempted to bring up my personal endeavors in a debate, so how about you stop it here. I'll live my life, you can live yours.

 

[Solaris]

May I point out that the USA put saddam in power, and supported his war oniran, in order to gain allies in the middle east.

So don't go telling the anti war crowd that the evil sudam would still be in power if the war wasnt ahead, becuase you [the USA] put him their. You are not the world police and have no right to interfere in other contries like that.

 

[seinfeldrules]

A year after Saddam had joined the Ba'ath party, army officers led by General Abdul Karim Qassim overthrew Faisal II of Iraq. The Ba'athists opposed the new government, and in 1959, Saddam was involved in the attempted assassination of Prime Minister Qassim. Saddam was shot in the leg, but managed to flee to Syria, from where he later moved to Egypt. He was sentenced to death, in absentia. In exile he attended the University of Cairo law school.

Army officers, including some aligned with the Ba'ath party, came to power in Iraq in a military coup in 1963. However, the new government was ousted quickly, within seven to eight months torn by rife factionalism. Saddam returned to Iraq, but was imprisoned in 1964 when an anti-Ba'ath group led by Abdul Rahman Arif took power. He escaped from jail in 1967 and became one of the leading members of the party. According to many biographers, Saddam never forgot the tensions within the first Ba'athist government, namely party unity and the ruthless resolve to maintain power and programs to ensure social stability.

In July 1968 a second coup brought the Ba'athists back to power under General Ahmed Hassan al-Bakr, a Tikriti and a relative of Saddam. The Ba'ath's ruling clique named Saddam vice-chairman of the Iraqi Revolutionary Command Council and vice president of Iraq.

In 1976 Saddam was appointed a general in the Iraqi armed forces. He rapidly became the strongman of the government, and was the de facto ruler of Iraq some years before he formally came to power in 1979. He slowly began to consolidate his power over Iraq's government and the Ba'ath party. Relationships with fellow party members were carefully cultivated, and Saddam soon gained a powerful circle of support within the party.

As Iraq's weak and elderly President Ahmed Hassan al-Bakr became increasingly unable to execute the duties of his office, Saddam began to take an increasingly prominent role as the face of the Iraqi government, both internally and externally. He soon became the architect of Iraq's foreign policy and represented the nation in all diplomatic situations. By the late 1970s, Saddam had emerged as the undisputed de facto leader of Iraq.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam#Rise_in_the_Ba.27ath_party

 

[Absinthe]

You neglected to mention that the coup was entirely supported by the CIA.

 

[seinfeldrules]

You neglected to mention that the coup was entirely supported by the CIA.

Its a direct quote from Wikipedia. Nothing was left out. Check if you want.

 

[Absinthe]

Its a direct quote from Wikipedia. Nothing was left out. Check if you want.

And Wikipedia is the only reliable source on the internet?

http://www.representativepress.org/CIASaddam.html
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2849.htm
http://www.fantompowa.net/Flame/cia_iraq.htm

 

[seinfeldrules]

And Wikipedia is the only reliable source on the internet?

No, but I also checked Encarta, the Columbia Encyclopedia, and encyclopedia.com. None of them made mention of such a connection. You're links on the other hand focus on attacking Bush. Not really the most objective links for me to look at.

 

[Nofuture]

well they are.. why shoot US forces, have they shot at them? blown up thier cars and streets with suicide bombers?

the US are there to protect civilians of iraq from people who want to cause the country harm in spite of bush policies.

Have you seen this? (Take No Prisoners: Another proud moment in U.S. Military History. U.S. Marines execute an Iraqi to the cheers of fellow marines. This video should only be viewed by a mature audience)


Isn´t it a reason more to shoot US forces?

Protectors? ...

 

[Kebean PFC]

Protectors of the innocent, yes, protectors of the enemy, no. Yes i have seen that, and it happens in war.

 

[CptStern]

Protectors of the innocent, yes, protectors of the enemy, no. Yes i have seen that, and it happens in war.

"hell ya that was awesome lets do it again"



doesnt sound like a "protector of the innocent to me" ....sounds more like a CS:S player or ....AA

 

[Nofuture]

Protectors of the innocent, yes, protectors of the enemy, no. Yes i have seen that, and it happens in war.

Are you serious?

It is a crime to shoot wounded person. I assume, who did this, will get his punishment. According to Geneva conventions, it is prohibited to murder wounded enemy and so this is murder.
"That was deliberate assassination of a badly wounded individual", said a former US general.

If he will not be punished, if it is standard of U.S. Marines, than U.S. Marines are criminals.

Here more about this:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5369.htm

"UNIDENTIFIED MALE: After we killed him, there was a question of was this guy a hostile person..."