Ban the guns

[Dalamari]

bombs? are you for real?

drive by bombing, hahah

"I'll bomb your ass, mother****er!!!"

haha, what's the better personal tool for killing people than a gun?
laser? get real man

Bear Mace can blind a person, and you can get that over Ebay pretty easily, and I think being blind sucks pretty bad.

 

[ray_MAN]

Yeah, I'd rather die than suffer.

 

[Tr0n]

bombs? are you for real?

drive by bombing, hahah

"I'll bomb your ass, mother****er!!!"

haha, what's the better personal tool for killing people than a gun?
laser? get real man

Yes, but bombs have been used many times.Example: Birmingham bombing that happend in the 60's (I might be wrong) that killed 3 little girls at a church.

 

[The Monkey]

Bombs are not cheap you know.

 

[joule]

Yeah, ban the guns.

Guns should only be in video games. That way, nobody gets hurt.

 

[ALEXDJ]

No, you get real. Let's go and drop a bomb on some city and let's see how many people die in that time compared to gun shots. And, we have no idea what could get more personal than a gun. We haven't banned guns yet.

A regular person can not get a bomb and drop it on a city, but he/she can get a gun

we are not talking about weapons of mass distruction, we are talking about banning the personal use of guns

now, i want you to think really hard and please tell me what could be more personal but equally deadly than a gun? what is a gun? personal killing device, that's all it is

go to a bar in Texas and have a round of shots with guys who have two guns on their belt, try to have fun there

 

[ALEXDJ]

Yeah, ban the guns.

Guns should only be in video games. That way, nobody gets hurt.

thanks for your support
:thumbs:

 

[Tr0n]

Bombs are not cheap you know.

Actually they are....Go get this book called "The anarchist cookbook".Don't buy it online tho...

 

[Maui]

So when a criminal bursts into your home, you'll actively call police and wait ~15 minutes for them to show up as the guy raids your house and possibly kills you/your family. I mean, after all, you kept a kid from having a rediculously small chance of shooting up your school, right? I mean, let's think about this: just *how many* school shootings have there been, with all the guns available right now?

Good plan.

EDIT: By the way, shouldn't this be in politics?

 

[SimonomiS]

Actually they are....Go get this book called "The anarchist cookbook".Don't buy it online tho...

Too many fakes and phony versions. Plus most of them are full of bullshit.

 

[ALEXDJ]

So when a criminal bursts into your home, you'll actively call police and wait ~15 minutes for them to show up as the guy raids your house and possibly kills you/your family. I mean, after all, you kept a kid from having a rediculously small chance of shooting up your school, right? I mean, let's think about this: just *how many* school shootings have there been, with all the guns available right now?

Good plan.

your point is unclear, try to explain, but let me ask you a question, when was the last time somebody broke into your home?

 

[Foxtrot]

No one understand this about the Red Lake area, there is a murder about every week there but you don't usually hear about it because it is on an Indian reservation (own rules, they keep reporters out) the only reason this got out is because there was a helicopter there when it happened or near by or somthing. It isn't like this guy with Johny good guy who decided to shoot up the nice little school because he was angry, this kind of stuff was happening all around him, people being beat to death and stabbed to death.

Around where I live I know tons of people with guns, there are several in my home(never used), and there hasn't been a single gun death in the past 10 years that I can think of. The only death I can think of is when this kid got hit by a bus.

 

[SimonomiS]

So when a criminal bursts into your home, you'll actively call police and wait ~15 minutes for them to show up as the guy raids your house and possibly kills you/your family. I mean, after all, you kept a kid from having a rediculously small chance of shooting up your school, right? I mean, let's think about this: just *how many* school shootings have there been, with all the guns available right now?

Good plan.

EDIT: By the way, shouldn't this be in politics?

Yea, but what if they only burst in as they bought a gun with which it would be much easier?
And yes this should be in politics, people just post gun-related threads here because theyre scared of the politics forum I think.

 

[Foxtrot]

Yea, but what if they only burst in as they bought a gun with which it would be much easier?
And yes this should be in politics, people just post gun-related threads here because theyre scared of the politics forum I think.

Don't have the statistics but most robbers don't use guns, or atleast don't use them to hurt anyone. You could just let them take what they want, or fire off a few shots and they will run off. These people aren't retarded, they know that what they will steal isn't worth their life(although not smart enough to know it isn't worth getting caught).

 

[Fishlore]

that retiered cop - grandpa, would take that kid out right away if he had a knive or pencil

Yeah if grandpa had a gun. That's the point. A 16 year old with a knife vs. a grandpa with nothing would have the 16 year old winning 10 out of 10 times.

Look at the number of deaths that resulted from school shootings since the first main one in 1995 or whenever. Then look at the number of deaths that occured at soccer matches during that same time. The media tends to focus on the crazy, evil, gun wielding cowboys in America.

 

[ALEXDJ]

Yeah if grandpa had a gun. That's the point. A 16 year old with a knife vs. a grandpa with nothing would have the 16 year old winning 10 out of 10 times.

Look at the number of deaths that resulted from school shootings since the first main one in 1995 or whenever. Then look at the number of deaths that occured at soccer matches during that same time. The media tends to focus on the crazy, evil, gun wielding cowboys in America.

retiered cop vs. 16 old kid with a knife

cop would take him out fast, maybe got cut, but not shot

and we are not just talking about school shootings, but gun murders in america in general, and there are a lot of them

 

[ALEXDJ]

Don't have the statistics but most robbers don't use guns, or atleast don't use them to hurt anyone. You could just let them take what they want, or fire off a few shots and they will run off. These people are retarded, they know that what they will steal isn't worth their life(although not smart enough to know it isn't worth getting caught).

GOOD POINT

 

[pentagon]

I think banning guns would solve a few problems but cause many others. If someone wants a gun, be it legal or illegal, they would have no problems obtaining one. I don't own a gun personally as I do not live in a bad part of town and do not feel the need. But as for the ever so common response of "how many times has someone broke into your house?", how many times does it take? The chances may not be extrememly high, but it's a chance nonetheless. If someone breaks into your home with the intent to rape and/or murder you, asking them to leave isn't going to work and I doubt a woman could protect herself very well unless she had a firearm. I believe if a criminal has their mind set on rapeing or murdering you they would very likely have a firearm on them (legal or not) to insure they achieve what they came there to do. What do you guys think?

 

[Foxtrot]

That thing about selling bullets really expensive would not work at all, I know how to make shotgun shells and I am incredibly incompotent with guns, so that means the only people with ammo would be either people buying it on the black market or people who know how to make it.

 

[pentagon]

That thing about selling bullets really expensive would not work at all, I know how to make shotgun shells and I am incredibly incompotent with guns, so that means the only people with ammo would be either people buying it on the black market or people who know how to make it.

yea, that was one of Chris Rocks skits. Funny thought, but wouldn't work lol

 

[short recoil]

Right, why should a human be stopped from having a gun?

When you awnser this point i will carry on.

 

[h00dlum]

Here in Sweden we do pretty well without guns everywhere. I dont see the point of everyone(civilians) having guns, to protect my home you say? Well if the one breaking in dosent have a gun either you are more safe than if he was armed with a gun right?

 

[Murray_H]

If someone breaks into your home with the intent to rape and/or murder you, asking them to leave isn't going to work and I doubt a woman could protect herself very well unless she had a firearm. I believe if a criminal has their mind set on rapeing or murdering you they would very likely have a firearm on them (legal or not) to insure they achieve what they came there to do. What do you guys think?

Right. The would-be rapist breaks in, the woman reaches for her gun in her holster. Or she pops open the bread bin and pulls it out. Or she tells the guy to hold on a sec while she gets the key for the gun cabinet, loads up the gun and then shoots him?

And if they were set on raping them, I don't believe they would have a firearm on their person. Murderers maybe, as they could use the gun to kill the person.

 

[Zeus]

I agree with this post to an extent, without guns there would be a dramatically lower crime rate, but you wouldn't be able to defend yourself against a guy with a gun though.

 

[AntiAnto]

I agree with this post to an extent, without guns there would be a dramatically lower crime rate, but you wouldn't be able to defend yourself against a guy with a gun though.

Did you actually need to fight against a guy with a gun?

 

[Zeus]

Did you actually need to fight against a guy with a gun?

No, but it would be good to be able to defend myself better with a gun.

 

[AntiAnto]

No, but it would be good to be able to defend myself better with a gun.

It's that kind of thinking that makes the America dangerous.

 

[Murray_H]

Did you actually need to fight against a guy with a gun?

You'd probably increase your chances of dying quite alot by shooting back and missing. So unless you were a trained marskman and/or as good as John Preston at the old Gunkata, I doubt you would be doing yourself any good by either shooting first or returning fire.

 

[Zeus]

It's that kind of thinking that makes the America dangerous.

Maybe you're right, but being able to defend myself helps ease my consious a lot.

 

[bliink]

If you bring a gun into a fight, you have lethal power available, and therefore you become a mortal threat to someone.
Having a gun just makes you an even bigger target.

 

[short recoil]

If you bring a gun into a fight, you have lethal power available, and therefore you become a mortal threat to someone.
Having a gun just makes you an even bigger target.

Being physically stronger makes you more of a mortal threat to someone, should i deliberatley eat nothing for a month to make myself much weaker and therefore not a threat?

 

[Murray_H]

Being physically stronger makes you more of a mortal threat to someone, should i deliberatley eat nothing for a month to make myself much weaker and therefore not a threat?

Gun = a visible and immediate association with death

Strength = a not so visible (unless you are the hulk) and would be associated with a shit kicking, not death

If I had a gun, and there was a guy with a gun and a huge guy (both saying that they would kill me), I would shoot the guy with the gun first.

 

[short recoil]

Gun = a visible and immediate association with death

Strength = a not so visible (unless you are the hulk) and would be associated with a shit kicking, not death

If I had a gun, and there was a guy with a gun and a huge guy (both saying that they would kill me), I would shoot the guy with the gun first.

You didn't get the point.........i wasn't saying that being strong makes you as much a threat as a gun.

 

[bliink]

Being physically stronger makes you more of a mortal threat to someone, should i deliberatley eat nothing for a month to make myself much weaker and therefore not a threat?

Being strong is not an immediate and mortal threat.

 

[pentagon]

Right. The would-be rapist breaks in, the woman reaches for her gun in her holster. Or she pops open the bread bin and pulls it out. Or she tells the guy to hold on a sec while she gets the key for the gun cabinet, loads up the gun and then shoots him?

And if they were set on raping them, I don't believe they would have a firearm on their person. Murderers maybe, as they could use the gun to kill the person.

I don't see your point. Just because you happen to mention a few scenarios where having a gun in the house would not necessarily help the victim... how about this for a scenario, middle of the night this lady wakes up to the sound of someone breaking a window and opening the door. She could call the police and wait 10+ minutes for them to arrive, but she can't even if she wanted to because the phone lines are cut. So she opens her bed side table pulls her firearm out to protect herself. The rapist either leaves or he dies; either way she was not raped. So Murray, if this was your wife and you were out of town...what would you have her do? Arm her with a baseball bat and wish the best? Hope that the police can arrive in time? To me the answer is just common sense.

 

[Zeus]

The man with the gun is the superior threat, I wouldn't be very concerned with some hulk guy chasing me rather than a gun pointed at me

 

[Murray_H]

I don't see your point. Just because you happen to mention a few scenarios where having a gun in the house would not necessarily help the victim... how about this for a scenario, middle of the night this lady wakes up to the sound of someone breaking a window and opening the door. She could call the police and wait 10+ minutes for them to arrive, but she can't even if she wanted to because the phone lines are cut. So she opens her bed side table pulls her firearm out to protect herself. The rapist either leaves or he dies; either way she was not raped. So Murray, if this was your wife and you were out of town...what would you have her do? Arm her with a baseball bat and wish the best? Hope that the police can arrive in time? To me the answer is just common sense.

During the day my 4 year old son goes exploring around the house and finds my wife's bedside table unlocked and opens it. Oooo shiny! Next thing I know I'm mopping up my kid's brain off the floor.

Or - my son goes to the same drawer and finds it locked. He goes and plays with his toys. Later that night, the rapist breaks in and lunges my wife. She goes for the table and the gun - it's locked. Oh.

Having a gun on you does not make you invulnerable. There are a lot of circumstances where a gun would make zero difference to your safety, and I can only think that it would be of use if you had the gun loaded, in your hand and aimed at the person before they entered the room.

 

[bliink]

I don't see your point. Just because you happen to mention a few scenarios where having a gun in the house would not necessarily help the victim... how about this for a scenario, middle of the night this lady wakes up to the sound of someone breaking a window and opening the door. She could call the police and wait 10+ minutes for them to arrive, but she can't even if she wanted to because the phone lines are cut. So she opens her bed side table pulls her firearm out to protect herself. The rapist either leaves or he dies; either way she was not raped. So Murray, if this was your wife and you were out of town...what would you have her do? Arm her with a baseball bat and wish the best? Hope that the police can arrive in time? To me the answer is just common sense.

"Ohh a bogeyman!"

 

[Tr0n]

Well I don't see a point in all this bitching...I know for a fact I'm still gonna own a gun and so will others.

 

[pentagon]

During the day my 4 year old son goes exploring around the house and finds my wife's bedside table unlocked and opens it. Oooo shiny! Next thing I know I'm mopping up my kid's brain off the floor.

Or - my son goes to the same drawer and finds it locked. He goes and plays with his toys. Later that night, the rapist breaks in and lunges my wife. She goes for the table and the gun - it's locked. Oh.

Having a gun on you does not make you invulnerable. There are a lot of circumstances where a gun would make zero difference to your safety, and I can only think that it would be of use if you had the gun loaded, in your hand and aimed at the person before they entered the room.

If I had a child in the house (by the way, this lady i was talking about was single) I'd have a lock on my bedroom door, unless this child knows how to pick locks as well as use a firearm I think he'll be ok.

Yes, there are irresponsible parents out there that no longer have a son or daughter because they didn't secure their firearms, but there are also parents that do not have a son or daughter because they forgot to lock the gate to the pool in their backyard.