Ban the guns

If we can blame guns for killing people, I can blame spelling errors on my pencil.

(yea. i stole that.)
 
bam23 said:
If we can blame guns for killing people, I can blame spelling errors on my pencil.

(yea. i stole that.)
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if you dont have a pencil, you cant make spelling mistakes.......and you also cant write.
 
I think everyone having guns is better than no one having guns. Without guns there would still be crime, but it would be more physical. With guns, the lesser phsically abled could have a chance to defend themselves
 
pentagon said:
If I had a child in the house (by the way, this lady i was talking about was single) I'd have a lock on my bedroom door, unless this child knows how to pick locks as well as use a firearm I think he'll be ok.

Yes, there are irresponsible parents out there that no longer have a son or daughter because they didn't secure their firearms, but there are also parents that do not have a son or daughter because they forgot to lock the gate to the pool in their backyard.
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Why not just have a lock on the door, lock on the window and triple-glaze them (with super strong glass)? The rapist won't get in then, then you won't have to kill anyone.
 
Hazar said:
I think everyone having guns is better than no one having guns. Without guns there would still be crime, but it would be more physical. With guns, the lesser phsically abled could have a chance to defend themselves
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Against what though?

I seem to be really ignorant of these situations that occur on a daily basis where having a gun has saved a member of the public's life, could someone link me to some articles detailing this?
 
Hazar said:
I think everyone having guns is better than no one having guns. Without guns there would still be crime, but it would be more physical. With guns, the lesser phsically abled could have a chance to defend themselves
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well if there were NO guns "legally" allowed then it would be absolute chaos.

Think what happens, the only people who would have guns would be those who go against laws, and for those who think you can stop people having guns by stopping manufacture...read expedient sub machine gun by Phillip luty.

Now, with no armed police people with weapons can do whatever the hell they like.........
"oh police and military should have guns" i here you say,.......so errrr they are humans just like us, why is it excusable for them to have guns?
Seperation of police/military/government and "civilians" or "people" is very much a bad thing.
Now some might think "police state" e.t.c, which it does seem its getting closer to, but the point is, you will not make a perfect soceity.......so you cannot have a perfect solution of no guns, which still isn't perfect for those who enjoy hunting or target shooting (i will ignore those thousands of people who enjoy that for the argument)
 
against the criminals of course.

even if the criminal had a gun (you won't be able to get rid of all guns even if you did ban them) the 'innocent victim' would have a much better chance if they were armed as well, as opposed to not being armed (normal citizens won't break the law and get a gun just for their personal saftey)
 
Murray_H said:
Why not just have a lock on the door, lock on the window and triple-glaze them (with super strong glass)? The rapist won't get in then, then you won't have to kill anyone.
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Last time I checked locks could be picked and doors could be kicked in. How about they just stay out of others houses? Maybe the average American doesn't have the time or money to make their home a fortress?
 
i'm from russia, and kids are alot more violent there, but nobody shoots anybody in schools because, well there are no guns, what so ever. i'm sure if there were guns available then there would be a shooting every day, but there are simply no guns around
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http://www.photius.com/countries/russia/government/russia_government_crime_statistics.html

Confiscation of firearms, possession of which has been identified as another grave social problem, increased substantially in 1995, according to the Moscow militia's Regional Organized Crime Directorate. About 3 million firearms were registered in 1995, but the number of unregistered guns was assumed to far exceed that figure. Military weapons are stolen frequently and sold to gangsters; in 1993 nearly 60,000 cases of such theft were reported, involving machine guns, hand grenades, and explosives, among other weapons (see Crime in the Military, ch. 9). The ready availability of firearms has made the work of the poorly armed militia more dangerous.
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Hmm no guns in Russia? Maybe kids with guns is rarer. But if kids can get drugs on the streets, I am assuming they could get guns as well?
 
Ok, so to bring up something in Bowling For Columbine (I know alot of people think Michael Moore is full of shit, but Ill ignore that) Canada has pretty much the same laws as America (AFAIK) and access to guns is just as easy. So why the much lower gun crime rate?
 
SimonomiS said:
Ok, so to bring up something in Bowling For Columbine (I know alot of people think Michael Moore is full of shit, but Ill ignore that) Canada has pretty much the same laws as America (AFAIK) and access to guns is just as easy. So why the much lower gun crime rate?
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Because the crime rate is lower due to standard of living, social health and many other factors.
 
I <3 guns.

But seriously, let americans deal with the gun problems (if you can even call it a problem). Why do you whine about things that happen in other countries and dont affect anyone outside of the country? Just another way to bitch at how bad America must suck?
I'll admit, I'm conservative and feel people do have the right to own guns.

Plus, America is about 50x the size with about 50x the amount of people than any first world country, ever heard of "probability"?
 
Vigilante said:
I <3 guns.

But seriously, let americans deal with the gun problems (if you can even call it a problem). Why do you whine about things that happen in other countries and dont affect anyone outside of the country? Just another way to bitch at how bad America must suck?
I'll admit, I'm conservative and feel people do have the right to own guns.

Plus, America is about 50x the size with about 50x the amount of people than any first world country, ever heard of "probability"?
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QFT.

<3
 
Umm, you need a permit to have a gun. And you need to be an adult to own a permit. Therfore, kids with guns == illegal and not anyone's fault but the person they stole / bought it from.
 
Pesmerga said:
Umm, you need a permit to have a gun. And you need to be an adult to own a permit. Therfore, kids with guns == illegal and not anyone's fault but the person they stole / bought it from.
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adults who have guns are just careless and allow thier kids access to them. and you only have to be 16 i think. so kid can buy guns
 
Yup, in america it's quite easy to get access to guns as a child. I know a few kids that own real guns that are loaded.
 
rpgprog said:
adults who have guns are just careless and allow thier kids access to them. and you only have to be 16 i think. so kid can buy guns
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You have to be 18, 21 for handguns. Good job generalizing too, I don't know a single person with guns just laying out somewhere.

Zeus said:
Yup, in america it's quite easy to get access to guns as a child. I know a few kids that own real guns that are loaded.
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Yet it is never those kids doing the shootings.
 
Foxtrot said:
You have to be 18, 21 for handguns. Good job generalizing too, I don't know a single person with guns just laying out somewhere.
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Yes, that doesn't stop them for getting access to guns. I know 3 people off the top of my head alone that have guns just laying around and 2 kids that have real guns that they keep loaded.
 
Zeus said:
Yes, that doesn't stop them for getting access to guns. I know 3 people off the top of my head alone that have guns just laying around and 2 kids that have real guns that they keep loaded.
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I know people who could get me a gun, banning guns is not going to stop this kind of access though. Notice in almost all school shootings it is some kid who got the gun from his house and is using it for the first time. If parents could just keep their guns safer this wouldn't happen, and it does not happen often at all, stabbings happen a lot more. And gang related violence too, but none of that is in school so no one cares.
 
pentagon said:
read

http://www.bowlingfortruth.com/bowlingforcolumbine/scenes/canada.htm
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:upstare: the guy is full of crap, he's very misleading in the majority that he says about canada

"Toronto's recent wave of street murders -- more than 40 since the beginning of 2001 -- debunks the claim that Ottawa's gun registry is making Canadians safer from crime.... Nearly all of the Toronto murders have been committed with handguns."

funny how he neglected to mention that there were a total of 60 murders that year ...in a city with a population of over 4 million


"especially if you like to pay 60% of your income in taxes"

he had to remove this line because it's a bold faced lie ...no way I pay 60% or even half that in taxes

he also had to edit the bit on healthcare because it was inaccurate
 
CptStern said:
:upstare: the guy is full of crap, he's very misleading in the majority that he says about canada

"Toronto's recent wave of street murders -- more than 40 since the beginning of 2001 -- debunks the claim that Ottawa's gun registry is making Canadians safer from crime.... Nearly all of the Toronto murders have been committed with handguns."

funny how he neglected to mention that there were a total of 60 murders that year ...in a city with a population of over 4 million


"especially if you like to pay 60% of your income in taxes"

he had to remove this line because it's a bold faced lie ...no way I pay 60% or even half that in taxes

he also had to edit the bit on healthcare because it was inaccurate
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Glad to see you joining the debate :) It would help if you'd post the links to these statistics so we can see for ourselves, searching for them is no fun :eek:

I can't say whether this guy is 100% true or not, but I hope you don't think Moore tells the whole truth either.
 
Funny how there was a thread just like this in the politics forum, wonder this clone hasn't been moved or closed.

Basically all the anti-gun crap is the same regurgitated again and again after a crime. After a while all thier ears will go deaf to it... until then we all get stuck listening to it over and over and over.
 
You can't ban guns, it doesn't work and it would be a huge waste of resources trying to enforce it.


See:
Prohibition


End
 
Milkman said:
You can't ban guns, it doesn't work and it would be a huge waste of resources trying to enforce it.


See:
Prohibition


End
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no keep guns legal in your country.

keep them illegal in mine. :thumbs:
 
why are you even listning to this guy?
hes a bolschewist
someone already said it if not guns then its gonna be knives
Instead of banning guns, Parents should take more care of kids
so shit like Columbine wont happen
 
Lemonking said:
Instead of banning guns, Parents should take more care of kids so shit like Columbine wont happen
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Shizam! Everyone bow down to this guy. This one phrase just stomped on all your 8 pages worth of pointless arguments.
 
AzzMan said:
Shizam! Everyone bow down to this guy. This one phrase just stomped on all your 8 pages worth of pointless arguments.
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was that sarcastic or did you mean that way?
:O
 
AzzMan said:
Nope I meant it. Sadly it is the reality of things....
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i totally agree... though i think guns are an abomination on society and too easily distributed, its ultimately up to the parents to teach their kids right and wrong. Nowadays though, a parent may have a gun of their own and it may be out of their control if their kid gets his or her hands on it.

Guns are stupid but not as stupid as the people who buy them.
 
AzzMan said:
Nope I meant it. Sadly it is the reality of things....
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cool thx :thumbs:
on topic
its the same thing PC Games
Parents are to lazy to take care of their kids or show interrest in their hobbys....so shit like happens then of course their are other factors
and then I heard this guy that shot these 9 people lived in a poor
Neighborhood thats also an important factor
btw

Youth of the Nation
im sure you all know it
if not listen to it :borg:
 
Foxtrot said:
He probably won't read it, most Moore fanatics won't read anything biased unless Moore did the spinning.
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Because bringing one question from a film/documentary he made makes me a fanatic. :rolleyes:
 
KoreBolteR said:
no keep guns legal in your country.

keep them illegal in mine. :thumbs:
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I agree!

Darwin will triumph sooner or later! :thumbs:
 
I believe this belongs in the politics forum.

Guns should not be banned, it's not the guns choice who uses it, or how insane the person might be.
 
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