Black history month

[GhostFox]

I don't know what some of you expect when about 80% of regular posters on here are extremely left wing.

You may not like it, but complaining will get you nowhere. You will never change their minds.

 

[Bodacious]

ya ok ...so how did you find HL2.net? have you ever played HL2 or did you come here at the request of one of your fellow soldiers? funny how so many of you new members claim to be military/police ...hmmm I wonder if it has anything to do with the fact most people here are critical of the US' role in iraq

I bought hl2 and, as all games I puchase that are any good, I looked for forums on the subject. This place was the best source of information besides steampowerd.com and that place sucked. Politics is a hobby of mine and every forum I vist I get into political discussions.

 

[No Limit]

But anti-US dogma is your theme, your content. Without it you wouldn't be stern, just an other poster.

You say you want the exchange of ideas but you entertain only the ideas correspondant to your own.

I know I am on your ignore list and could careless; but for everyone else...

The point of a debate is to exchange your own ideas with others. You debate it and find out which idea is more solid. Looking back at most threads it is a little odd that most liberal points stand up against the conservative ones. Prove me wrong.

 

[CptStern]

Politics is a hobby of mine and every forum I vist I get into political discussions.

well then you'd know that only in america do people support the war in iraq, quit acting so surprised when the world is critical of what you do ..this is after all an international forum NOT an american one. I for one will not remain silent while you and others like you try to justify your actions in iraq or any other country you've systematically destroyed. You live in a world outside of the US (online) ...deal with it

 

[GhostFox]

You debate it and find out which idea is more solid. Looking back at most threads it is a little odd that most liberal points stand up against the conservative ones. Prove me wrong.

All that proves is that most posters are Liberal. Everyone knows that already. Just becuase 100 people say the US is evil to every 1 who says it isn't doesn't mean that the 100 are right.

These boards are a magnet for extremists from both sides of the political spectrum, but obviously more so from the left side. The moderates are often left out in the cold when trying to have a rational discussion becuase of all the rhetoric.

 

[GhostFox]

well then you'd know that only in america do people support the war in iraq

Seriously, could everyone cut the rhetoric for 2 seconds? You well know that there are signifigant portions of countries all over the world that support the war outside of the US.

At the time it started a majority of Canadians supported it.

 

[Tr0n]

I rarely see any other libertarians/moderates/centrist in this forum.

:|

We need more libertarians!

 

[No Limit]

All that proves is that most posters are Liberal. Everyone knows that already. Just becuase 100 people say the US is evil to every 1 who says it isn't doesn't mean that the 100 are right.

These boards are a magnet for extremists from both sides of the political spectrum, but obviously more so from the left side. The moderates are often left out in the cold when trying to have a rational discussion becuase of all the rhetoric.

No, all that proves is conservatives don't have a solid point on anything. If you want pick one conservative member here and I will be happy to debate them on anything.

The reason so many threads in this forum turn to crap is because of a few people, and the sad fact is those people are usually conservatives that can't stand up to facts so they resort to spinning and name calling. I know I am biased but I've been here a long time and that's what I've seen and I don't think you can prove otherwise.

 

[No Limit]

Just an example from the first page of this thread:

Notice we give them the shortest month of the year...

You have no idea what the topic is in any of these threads do you?

Dont lie. You're confused. You dont know whats going on.

The first 2 are from a conservative and the 3rd one might be also (the 3rd one wasn't as instigating as the others). So I think I have a point when I say the conservatives start the majority of the problems here.

 

[Tr0n]

Just an example from the first page of this thread:








The first 2 are from a conservative and the 3rd one might be also (the 3rd one wasn't as instigating as the others). So I think I have a point when I say the conservatives start the majority of the problems here.

The third one was from Iccy (ikerous)..he was joking with me.

 

[No Limit]

The third one was from Ikerous...he was joking with me.

Ok, I apologize, I didn't read them in full context. However, the only 2 instigating posts from the first page were conservatives.

 

[Bodacious]

Thank you GhostFox, for pointing out the fallacies in Stern's post. Saved me some typing.

 

[el Chi]

This from someone who, a majority of the time, only spews anti-US dogma.

Don't be ridiculous. That he opposes many of the US's decisions on foreign or internal policy hardly negates the value of his point.
He's absolutely right that this forum is an opportunity to exchange ideas. That's the main reason I come here; a lot of my friends are more left-wing and it's interesting to hear right-wing perspectives, especially when they're from other countries. I may not agree with you in the slightest, but at least it's a contrasting viewpoint.

Just because you usually disagree with his point, you appear to simply carry on here and deride him for defending the politics forum FOR THE SAME REASONS YOU LIKE IT. Stop being childish.


In other news:
Stern, you know you're wrong when you say that no-one else agrees with the war in Iraq - I know plenty of people who are in favour of it. Plenty who aren't.

I find it indefensibly depressing that a thread starting out as celebrating black history turned into the usual slew of right vs. left / US vs. the World / Iraq bitchy f*cking bullsh*t. It had no real place in this thread and the people who introduced it have poisoned another unrelated thread.
Keep it to the appropriate discussions or SHUT THE F*CK UP.

 

[No Limit]

Thank you GhostFox, for pointing out the fallacies in Stern's post. Saved me some typing.

See, this is what I am talking about, another conservative post that will lead to flaming. Stern hasn't had a chance to reply yet and he is dancing around like he proved a point or something.

 

[Bodacious]

Don't be ridiculous. That he opposes many of the US's decisions on foreign or internal policy hardly negates the value of his point.
He's absolutely right that this forum is an opportunity to exchange ideas.

Pardon me for making an observation and pointing out the existance of hypocrisy.

Exchange of ideas? Please! Others may read of the opposing viewpoints, but each are written off as Republican/Bush bullshit or liberal propaganda/Scare tactics. Each side fails to acknowledge facts.

What I don't understand is how people take offense to my observation. More than 3 people have put opionion into my comments in this thread when none exist, solely based on predisposition about my character as portrayed by previous posts.

Know this: I take no issue with Stern being ant-US. He can be anti-US until the day he dies for all I care. I won't lose any sleep. I have no way stated his viewpoint is any less valuable than anyone elses.

Point is, how can someone want the "exchange of ideas" when that someone refuses to entertain any opposing viewpoint?

Just because you usually disagree with his point, you appear to simply carry on here and deride him for defending the politics forum FOR THE SAME REASONS YOU LIKE IT. Stop being childish.

Where have I derided stern for defending politics forum? Are you making the assumption that anti-US is a negative term? Where have I said stern couldn't voice his opinion? Where have I stated what reasons I like to participate in political discussion?

In other news:
Stern, you know you're wrong when you say that no-one else agrees with the war in Iraq - I know plenty of people who are in favour of it. Plenty who aren't.

I find it indefensibly depressing that a thread starting out as celebrating black history turned into the usual slew of right vs. left / US vs. the World / Iraq bitchy f*cking bullsh*t. It had no real place in this thread and the people who introduced it have poisoned another unrelated thread.
Keep it to the appropriate discussions or SHUT THE F*CK UP.

But yet, you participate in the Righ vs left bs then denounce it, in the very same thread.

 

[Chris D]

Yet another thread that has resulted in bickering and gone off topic. Sort it out guys.....

 

[Asknoone]

Yet another thread that has resulted in bickering and gone off topic. Sort it out guys.....

Its the politics forum what else is new

Heh, this actually, is my first post in this forum, hmm, i hear some say its a great way to raise your post count

Errr, does this count as spam?!

 

[kirovman]

Its the politics forum what else is new

Heh, this actually, is my first post in this forum, hmm, i hear some say its a great way to raise your post count

Errr, does this count as spam?!

Hey, you'll be welcome here. Bring a bit of normality and less extremism to the fold.

 

[Hapless]

But, the Whites were not enslaved and lynched etc, like minorities were.

Not so fast. May I direct you to the events of 1066 AD and the subsequent destruction of Anglo-Saxon culture by the Norman-French, as well as the subjugation of the Anglo-Saxons. There's a reason why "piss" and "shit" are considered, "bad words." It's because those words were the Anglo-Saxon words for those things, and the Normans considered the Anglo-Saxons barbarians, and their language barbaric. So, for almost a thousand years, Anglo-Saxon culture and language has been and continues to be trod upon. :cheese: As a matter of fact, I'm thinking of suing the French Government for reparations.

 

[el Chi]

Exchange of ideas? Please! Others may read of the opposing viewpoints, but each are written off as Republican/Bush bullshit or liberal propaganda/Scare tactics. Each side fails to acknowledge facts.

As the old adage goes: "Debating on the internet is like competing in the special olympics..." Sure, there's a lot of stubborness. However my point was, and I'm pretty sure it was clear enough, that places like these can open one's eyes to the views of others. You may not agree with them, but at least you're not ignorant of them. Do you see?

Know this: I take no issue with Stern being ant-US. He can be anti-US until the day he dies for all I care. I won't lose any sleep. I have no way stated his viewpoint is any less valuable than anyone elses.
Point is, how can someone want the "exchange of ideas" when that someone refuses to entertain any opposing viewpoint?

I only separate this from the above quote because it's unfair to label Stern as refusing to entertain an opposing viewpoint when you yourself are just as guilty.
Like you said; pardon me for making an observation and pointing out the existance of hypocrisy.

What I don't understand is how people take offense to my observation. More than 3 people have put opionion into my comments in this thread when none exist, solely based on predisposition about my character as portrayed by previous posts.

Your post was in no way a contribution to the overall thread and directed at Stern in the manner of almost all the other debates you two have had. It was transparently a jibe at him.

Where have I derided stern for defending politics forum? Are you making the assumption that anti-US is a negative term? Where have I said stern couldn't voice his opinion? Where have I stated what reasons I like to participate in political discussion?

Apologies, I got my wires crossed somewhere down the line - you did not deride Stern for defending the politics forum.

But yet, you participate in the Righ vs left bs then denounce it, in the very same thread.

Correct, I do participate in the Right vs. Left bullsh*t. But not in this thread. You say I participate and denounce in the same thread; I didn't participate in it. The point of my post - which appears to have been lost - is that this discussion was nothing to do with Left vs. Right bollocks, yet here we are.

I'm tired of it. I'm tired of seeing threads that have nothing to do with the Left vs. Right / US vs. The World issue degenerating again and again into bitchy fighting that is, by and large, irrelevant to the original topic. I'm all for a thread developing into a different beast that it started out as, but this is just tedious. I'm not going to point fingers, because there are many guilty parties, and I'm not going to pretend I'm above it all because I participate.
But for f*ck's sake. This started as a reminder of a celebration of black history and look what's happened... If I were a mod, I'd close this thread right now.

 

[Pesmerga]

Blacks deserve a bit more than a few days dedicated to remembering, imo. If we -really- want to avoid repeating mistakes, we should teach children from an early age the rights and wrongs of ethnic differences.

Btw, what month is dedicated to biozeminades?

 

[Raziaar]

Blacks deserve a bit more than a few days dedicated to remembering, imo. If we -really- want to avoid repeating mistakes, we should teach children from an early age the rights and wrongs of ethnic differences.

Btw, what month is dedicated to biozeminades?

No month. Biozeminades deserve to be eradicated from this earth! Their elusive and secretive nature is only an attempt to undermine society as we know it. If they want to be so secretitive, we'll make them a secret. Forever! Muahahaha!

 

[RZAL]

Has anyone watched Bill Cosby on Prejudice (1971). Cosby portrayals himself as a bigot. He uses comedy to confront social issues such as prejudices, racism and sexism.

Another must see is Separate But Equal, dealing with segregation and the (1954) US Supreme Court Landmark case of Brown v. Board of Education.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Has anyone watched Bill Cosby on Prejudice (1971). Cosby portrayals himself as a bigot. He uses comedy to confront social issues such as prejudices, racism and sexism.

Another must see is Separate But Equal, dealing with segregation and the (1954) US Supreme Court Landmark case of Brown v. Board of Education.

Seen them both. Bill Cosby on Prejudice made a lot of people mad ... but it really was ... funny.

read the whole thread before jumping in, that question has been asked and answered

Spare me of your dissent Stern -- I have an opinion, I posted, and there's nothing you can do about it.

 

[RZAL]

Seen them both. Bill Cosby on Prejudice made a lot of people mad ... but it really was ... funny.

Spare me of your dissent Stern -- I have an opinion, I posted, and there's nothing you can do about it.

Yes it was funny, but he hit the nail on the head.

 

[CptStern]

some documentaries to watch:

American Experience: Malcolm X: Make it Plain (PBS, Feb. 21, 9 p.m.)

tonight on biography it's Rosa Parks, tommorrow it's Jimi Hendrix ..although AE has more entertainers on their list than pioneers some of them are still worth watching

February 17
9pm ET/PT: Biography: Nelson Mandela
February 23
9pm ET/PT: Biography: Malcolm X

 

[satch919]

Its remarkable to think that this segregation crap happened 50+ years ago. Whats even more remarkable is that the South is still not over it.

Their struggle serves as a bright and dark spot in American history.

We no longer segregate blacks or discriminate as much but I think America has found a new group to chastise. Gay people. Its sad that we haven't learned from our mistakes by oppressing a certian group of people. :| But anyways, thats a topic for another time.

 

[CptStern]

not to worry canada has tabled same-sex marriage legislation, we'll be discussing it as soon as it passes :E