Catholic school board pulls The Golden Compass from library: author is atheist

PortalStormzzzz said:
I'm not exactly sure where hypocrits come in.

And the Bible also says nothing about internet usage. perhaps all Christians should cease the use of the internets because the Bible doesn't say anything? Maybe all Christians should turn off all electricity ans lead to mass chaos from teh power companies going out of business from bankruptcy. Good God, you people treat the Bible like it's the Word of God... Oh wait :LOL: Anyway, half of it was made by corrupt clergymen in the decline of the Jewish Empire. use your brain and sort out the right and wrong. Religion isn't suppose to enslave you to follow every single rule it has, it's suppose to spark thoughts.

It's like talking to a strict constitutionalist.
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The Bible says it is the word of God, as God said so and his word cannot be broken. Irregardless of who wrote it, Christians have to except Jesus and obey the word of God. All of it. They are hypocrits for calling themselves Christians but not actually following the rules.
 
PortalStormzzzz said:
Also, name a law of atheism? Don't believe in God, there. Duh!
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That's not a law of atheism. That is atheism. Besides, got any others beyond the obvious?

Atheism is an open ended belief system, allowing it's followers to think as they wish. Come to think of it, that's pretty much how every religion is if it's leaders don't bother doing anything. As I said ages ago, 40 years ago, the Christian right had no leaders, then they joined with Republicans, now there broken again. Everyone finds leaders eventually.
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So it's a belief system that's not a belief system... Huh? You can't call atheism a belief system and then proceed to tell me that there is actually no system in place. You don't seem to know what you're talking about.

And no, most other religions are not open-ended. Not even if their leaders start changing the rules. Religions are based on the instruction of God, and you don't get wiggle room out of that. If, say, a Christian were to be tolerant of homosexuality, this would not be an example of Christianity being an open-ended belief system. This would be a flat-out disregard for the faith's dogma.
 
Actually, Jesus said he fulfilled the old testament. So really, there is no need for the old testament. That said any old guy can come up and say God told him to say something. You need to use common sense to see what is good and what is bad. This is why the vast majority of religious and nonreligious people argue so much. Religious take everything as law, and nonreligious argue over it's authority. Blah blah blah to me.

Look, if your not smart enough to see where man spoke and where God spoke, be my guest. Humans generally speak evil things, and God usually speaks loving things. It makes no sense why god would say kill gays, and then give his son up and make him say love all. USE COMMON SENSE.


Another law of atheism: nothing out of your control is planned. Yea, and it just so happens that the Moon is exactly the same size as the Sun from Earth's Point of View and no other planet to this day.
 
Well the atheists in this thread seem to love tarring people with the same brush, I'm actually with Portal on this one.
Sure the batshit Christians are all Old Testament fappers (because they're people who love the idea of punishment and being superior to others) but a lot of Christians simply follow the New Testament and Jesus' own teachings which tbh I don't have a problem with. The things Jesus himself taught were pretty reasonable imo.
 
PortalStormzzzz said:
Actually, Jesus said he fulfilled the old testament. So really, there is no need for the old testament. That said any old guy can come up and say God told him to say something. You need to use common sense to see what is good and what is bad. This is why the vast majority of religious and nonreligious people argue so much. Religious take everything as law, and nonreligious argue over it's authority. Blah blah blah to me.
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The Old Testament is just as valid as the New Testament. It is included in the Bible for a reason.

And the problem is that there are many people who do not use common sense when deciding what is good and bad (allowing that somewhat nebulous statement). They use religious dogma; the word of God. What can supercede that?

Look, if your not smart enough to see where man spoke and where God spoke, be my guest. Humans generally speak evil things, and God usually speaks loving things. It makes no sense why god would say kill gays, and then give his son up and make him say love all. USE COMMON SENSE.
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First of all, I would like you to explain on what grounds you can decide which parts God meant and which parts he didn't. Because God also destroyed whole cities, demanded child sacrifices, and wiped out most of the human population with the flood. Those didn't stop him from plopping Jesus down onto the planet and spreading his proclamations of love. Are you going to say those were just evil myths concocted by humans?

Not that I don't think that isn't the case. But the point is that the god described in the Bible is morally inconsistent, and his atrocities are just as valid as his limited benevolence. If you're not smart enough to get that, then I suggest you shush.

Another law of atheism: nothing out of your control is planned. Yea, and it just so happens that the Moon is exactly the same size as the Sun from Earth's Point of View and no other planet to this day.
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Fantastic! Now tell me where you discovered this law. Where did you read it? Did you pick up a flier from one of our Atheist Churches? Or perhaps you got your hands on the top secret atheist manifesto!

Seriously. I'd like to know what I, as an atheist, am supposed to be thinking and doing right now.

Eejit said:
Well the atheists in this thread seem to love tarring people with the same brush, I'm actually with Portal on this one.
Sure the batshit Christians are all Old Testament fappers (because they're people who love the idea of punishment and being superior to others) but a lot of Christians simply follow the New Testament and Jesus' own teachings which tbh I don't have a problem with. The things Jesus himself taught were pretty reasonable imo.
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If you only follow the New Testament, you might be a better person, but you suck more as a Christian.
 
It is mankind's duty to destroy the tyrannical villian known as God.
 
Absinthe said:
The Old Testament is just as valid as the New Testament. It is included in the Bible for a reason.
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No, I can't honestly think why it would be. When it was written, the writers were Jewish, I think, and they just kept their own laws. in
First of all, I would like you to explain on what grounds you can decide which parts God meant and which parts he didn't. Because God also destroyed whole cities, demanded child sacrifices, and wiped out most of the human population with the flood. Those didn't stop him from plopping Jesus down onto the planet and spreading his proclamations of love. Are you going to say those were just evil myths concocted by humans?
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Destroying cities and such have happened and I can't honestly say anything on it, you got me there. I follow the new testament, not the old one. That's just who I am. I don't know, maybe God woke up on the wrong side of the cloud?
Not that I don't think that isn't the case. But the point is that the god described in the Bible is morally inconsistent, and his atrocities are just as valid as his limited benevolence. If you're not smart enough to get that, then I suggest you shush.
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The oddities are where man put his bit in. I haven't really read alot on anything bad in The New Testament. And don't go all st. Paul on me. He was Roman. He spoke down to women because, well, he was a rich bastards and a Roman.

Fantastic! Now tell me where you discovered this law. Where did you read it? Did you pick up a flier from one of our Atheist Churches? Or perhaps you got your hands on the top secret atheist manifesto!
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No, I used common sense. If you believe things out of your control are planed, that means you believe in a God, spirit world, or flying spaghetti monster, whatever



If you only follow the New Testament, you might be a better person, but you suck more as a Christian.
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So your racist against Christians? or whatever the anti word is for that. That makes as much sense as hating Jews because they own banks.
 
PortalStormzzzz said:
No, I can't honestly think why it would be. When it was written, the writers were Jewish, I think, and they just kept their own laws. in
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"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished." - Matthe 5:17

The oddities are where man put his bit in. I haven't really read alot on anything bad in The New Testament. And don't go all st. Paul on me. He was Roman. He spoke down to women because, well, he was a rich bastards and a Roman.
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But you can't assume that. You have no way of discerning between where man made stuff up and where God oddballed. And while the NT is definitely better, it too still has questionable content. Most notably its acceptance and condoning of slavery.

No, I used common sense. If you believe things out of your control are planed, that means you believe in a God, spirit world, or flying spaghetti monster, whatever
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It's entirely possible to be an atheist who believes in a spirit world. It is also hypothetically possible to be an atheist who believes in the flying spaghetti monster. Neither of those are the same as - or necessitate a belief in - a god.

Granted, chances are that if you identify yourself as an atheist, you don't belief in a lot of superstitious mysticism any way. But that is simply the norm. What you are describing is a commonality, not a tenet of atheism.

So your racist against Christians? or whatever the anti word is for that. That makes as much sense as hating Jews because they own banks.
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Oh man, I'm racist towards Christians to the bone.
 
Only if it turns out that idiots are a human sub-species.

In fact, I just got an infraction today for my bigotry. So I guess my secret is out. D:
 
It's hatred like yours that leads to WW3.

THANKS FOR MAKING THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE! :D

Well, he said he accomplished the old law, so you can technically ignore it.


Whatever though. I read the Bible and the Quran and all those books and see a loving God for the most part. The evil parts are when people mess with God or man added in his bit. If I were God and sitting on a cloud all day, I'd smite the living shit out of some people. So yea, I don't really care.

And you CAN tell where man added in pieces. Like when you look at history and see that Israel was very corrupt right before it's numerous collapses, you can pint out the fake.

Well, go on enjoying life as I will too. I can't honestly say anything though, because I know my life would be easier if I weren't religious. But I am, and I'm not planing on changing. Jesus said you'd suffer if you follow him, so fook it, I'll suffer.
 
Oh well. Logic always fails against stubborness.
 
PortalStormzzzz said:
Well, he said he accomplished the old law, so you can technically ignore it.
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No? Ignoring what the hell is meant by "fulfill" (you'd think the infallible word of God would be a bit more clear), the very sentiment that Jesus' actions make the Old Testament invalid is erroneous when he states outright that absolutely nothing will be removed from the old laws until the Heaven and Earth pass. Either something is being miscommunicated or the obvious explanation is the correct one: The Old Testament applies until we're all dead and gone.

There's also this to consider.

"Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven." - Matthew 5:19-20

Sounds to me like that if you're serious about your faith, you should follow the OT any way.

Whatever though. I read the Bible and the Quran and all those books and see a loving God for the most part. The evil parts are when people mess with God or man added in his bit. If I were God and sitting on a cloud all day, I'd smite the living shit out of some people. So yea, I don't really care.

And you CAN tell where man added in pieces. Like when you look at history and see that Israel was very corrupt right before it's numerous collapses, you can pint out the fake.
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Then point out the fake bits. You're clearly so sure that all the nasty bits were made by mortals. On what criteria do you distinguish legitimate holy scripture?

Well, go on enjoying life as I will too. I can't honestly say anything though, because I know my life would be easier if I weren't religious. But I am, and I'm not planing on changing. Jesus said you'd suffer if you follow him, so fook it, I'll suffer.
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Oh, but why would you want to do that? Maybe men made up that part as well! How do you know you aren't just being duped?
 
I know I'm not duped. I've seen proof.
And Oh well, guess it's hell for me on what's not real in the Bible. But I don't believe in hell, so Oh well, guess I don't know.
I'm not a typical Catholic. I simply cannot believe in Hell nor alot of the what traditions say.
Most of the stuff from the established Israel times (after Egyptian slavery) is probably fake. I don't know, I don't even read the Bible. I'm lazy.
What do I care if I don't know everything? I still got all my life to be bothered by that. Until then, meh.
I am simply saying on what I've seen. I'm a Universalist, so I believe everyone goes to heaven anyway. I call myself Christian because that's the God I pray to and go to Church for, but as far as I know, the Bible is real, or all false. All I know is a bunch of guys went around preaching crap in the first century. They didn't get any money out of it, nor did they get anything good out of it. Something happened to make the say what they did, so that's the way I see it. Don't like my logic? then Fukk you. I live in America and can believe what I damn well please.
 
Looks to me like you've merely vaguely seen the idea of the moral code behind Christianity, and then assumed that if people do things for free there must be some good behind it, and then just gone along with it unthinkingly.
 
Believing everyone goes to heaven regardless kind of goes against the concept of sin, foregiveness, the whole point of the life of christ etc etc. You know, the most important core beliefs of christianity.
 
Life is a lessen to me. If there is a hell, I hardly think we're in it forever. 100 years of sin should go with 100 years in hell. God is forgiving.
 
PortalStormzzzz said:
I know I'm not duped. I've seen proof.
And Oh well, guess it's hell for me on what's not real in the Bible. But I don't believe in hell, so Oh well, guess I don't know.
I'm not a typical Catholic. I simply cannot believe in Hell nor alot of the what traditions say.
Most of the stuff from the established Israel times (after Egyptian slavery) is probably fake. I don't know, I don't even read the Bible. I'm lazy.
What do I care if I don't know everything? I still got all my life to be bothered by that. Until then, meh.
I am simply saying on what I've seen. I'm a Universalist, so I believe everyone goes to heaven anyway. I call myself Christian because that's the God I pray to and go to Church for, but as far as I know, the Bible is real, or all false. All I know is a bunch of guys went around preaching crap in the first century. They didn't get any money out of it, nor did they get anything good out of it. Something happened to make the say what they did, so that's the way I see it. Don't like my logic? then Fukk you. I live in America and can believe what I damn well please.
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There isn't a single thing in this post that makes sense.
 
PortalStormzzzz said:
I don't know, I don't even read the Bible. I'm lazy.
What do I care if I don't know everything? I still got all my life to be bothered by that. Until then, meh.
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That's great, now I have a idea about what kind of person we are dealing with. I'm strong atheist and I dislike Christianity but I've read Bible and I think it's absolutely arrogant and stupid to criticise or promote ideas from book that I never read.
 
PortalStormzzzz said:
I'm not advocating it. I'm not even sure how it came up.
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All right, but how can you believe in Christianity or call yourself Christian when you didn't read the Bible? Maybe you have no idea what kind of horrors and insane ideas you can find in this book.
 
Polaris said:
All right, but how can you believe in Christianity or call yourself Christian when you didn't read the Bible? Maybe you have no idea what kind of horrors and insane ideas you can find in this book.
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That really depends on how you view faith or religious identity. I see myself as a Christian, but only through birth. Still, me being an Atheist doesn't negate that identity in my eyes.
 
I've read most of the old testament and some of the new testament. So I've read my fair share. I'm just a lazy person. In all my life, I've read 3, maybe 4 books. 2 if you count from first to last page. Yea, I'm really sad. Audio books FTW!

And I know what evils are in it Polaris. I just don't give a shit. I listen to the word of Jesus who says love all and help all. That's what I do, and that's all I care for.
 
PortalStormzzzz said:
I've read most of the old testament and some of the new testament. So I've read my fair share. I'm just a lazy person. In all my life, I've read 3, maybe 4 books. 2 if you count from first to last page. Yea, I'm really sad. Audio books FTW!

And I know what evils are in it Polaris. I just don't give a shit. I listen to the word of Jesus who says love all and help all. That's what I do, and that's all I care for.
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You are what I consider the archetype of why Catholic schools should be banned, you are clearly programmed much like a form of horse, to this religion. Such programming should not be considered education and should not be part of schools, your parents did a good enough job of this clearly.

You spend entire paragraphs justifying your religion, not caring about whether you agree with it or even believe whether the one source of this religion is at all accurate yet keep rattling on with sincerity. The entire book is the religion, not one part more believable than the other. To say otherwise means that is not your religion, just having faith is not making you part of the church, the rules that are listed are what makes this faith different and distinctive, you might as well not be this certain religion and call yourself another for all the sense this makes.

No doubt you will say something like you know about the contradictions but do not care. I can see that just pointing out flaws in religion is pretty pointless, your desire to believe it makes you far too willing to overlook what makes it stupid, you are substituting reason for lies, because lies is what you were raised to keep
 
Exactly as pointing out the flaws of atheism or any other system is pointless.

Don't you realize that EVERYONE is programed from their surroundings? That's kind of what we evolved into. We evolved for an oral tradition. Good God, that's obvious.

Every system has it's flaws. Mainly because it's all made up by the flawed human being. I highly doubt the Christianity of today is ANYTHING like what it was in 40AD. Mostly it's been lost to the ages and the hundreds of different sects.

I mean, I just spent the whole last page explaining how pretty much everything is flawed. The Bible is no exception. And I have no time in my life to read something I know has mistakes.


Oh yea, someone made the point that I'm not Christian if I don't follow the old testament. WELL, I just remembered that Jesus didn't stone Mary for being a whore. Soooo, if Jesus can ignore the old law, I can too. :p
 
PortalStormzzzz said:
Exactly as pointing out the flaws of atheism or any other system is pointless.

Don't you realize that EVERYONE is programed from their surroundings? That's kind of what we evolved into. We evolved for an oral tradition. Good God, that's obvious.

Every system has it's flaws. Mainly because it's all made up by the flawed human being. I highly doubt the Christianity of today is ANYTHING like what it was in 40AD. Mostly it's been lost to the ages and the hundreds of different sects.

I mean, I just spent the whole last page explaining how pretty much everything is flawed. The Bible is no exception. And I have no time in my life to read something I know has mistakes.


Oh yea, someone made the point that I'm not Christian if I don't follow the old testament. WELL, I just remembered that Jesus didn't stone Mary for being a whore. Soooo, if Jesus can ignore the old law, I can too. :p
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So you don't follow the theological side of Christianity, just the moral side.

I can live with that.
 
Well, theology side is somewhat what I follow. I go to church, I pray, etc etc. I just follow Jesus more so then the actual Bible. Jesus' words are 100% perfect. The Bible has had the last 2000 years for man to screw it up and change it into something that it isn't. Think about how much has been changed, altered, and added in in the 100 or so years of orally passing down the Bible + it's changes through the middle ages.
 
PortalStormzzzz said:
Well, theology side is somewhat what I follow. I go to church, I pray, etc etc. I just follow Jesus more so then the actual Bible. Jesus' words are 100% perfect. The Bible has had the last 2000 years for man to screw it up and change it into something that it isn't. Think about how much has been changed, altered, and added in in the 100 or so years of orally passing down the Bible + it's changes through the middle ages.
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What? Jesus' words and deeds are spread through the Bible. If the Bible isn't an accurate representation of Christianity (or itself--I have no idea what the hell you are talking about), then how on Earth can you be sure that what you are reading as his words hasn't been twisted over the centuries of translation? How do you know that Jesus' words are '100% perfect', or even his?
 
I think Jesus and me would have been great friends. We would have partied all night, get drunk, **** some hookers and then get ressurected togethor. If I hadn't missed that plane to the Middle East in 6BC, I would have met him. ;(

EDIT: Crap, 6BC was when he was born D:
 
Venturon, the word's Jesus spoke were never altered with because if you had a gang of 100 or so early Christians all going to church and all of the sudden the words they knew Jesus spoke were changed, they'd realize it. But if it was a little side note never read before in the Bible, people wouldn't notice it as much.
 
This isn't news. It's a private school. They can have whatever they want in their library for whatever reason they want. If you don't like it then you should probably not pay to have your kids go there, which I expect you don't. If you think their practices cause them to graduate uneducated students (moreso than public schools), then an issue can be made with the accrediting institution. Beyond that, it's a private business and free to operate however they like.
 
PortalStormzzzz said:
Venturon, the word's Jesus spoke were never altered with because if you had a gang of 100 or so early Christians all going to church and all of the sudden the words they knew Jesus spoke were changed, they'd realize it. But if it was a little side note never read before in the Bible, people wouldn't notice it as much.
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lol, 100 people who saw George Bush speak 5 years ago can't agree on what he said.

Ever heard of Chinese Whispers?

And doublethink. Doublethink is an important concept.

The gospels were written a significant time after Jesus's death anyway.
 
We all agree Bush lied. Thought that was pretty obvious.

And all of the original message of Christianity has been lost. That's pretty obvious too. The original words of Jesus didn't change though. There are over a hundred sects of Christianity, each that broke off at different times, and all have little arguments of why their right. But all agree on what Jesus said.

Oh yea, GreatEmperor. Here in America, the chances of ANY religious school EVER getting banned are as likely as Bush getting popular support ever again. Being that 90% of America is religious, it will never get banned. Jews have their schools, Catholics have theirs, Protestants have theirs, etc etc. And all will stand united to defend their school systems. But hey, if you think you can force change on what 90% of America thinks, be my guest. Here in America we call that dictatorship. And it's the reason we're allowed to own guns too. So we can un-force the change.
 
Here in Australia was call it MIND-CONTROL and it's coming sooner than you'd think.
 
Well according to your previous posts, the government funds it. So I'd have to agree,
 
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