Do you think that the US should change the constitution to ban firearms?

[CptStern]

Esp people out of our country....It's our 2nd amendment right.So shut your traps.

your second amendment right is responsible for 80% of the illegal handguns in canada, so I do have a say

 

[Tr0n]

your second amendment right is responsible for 80% of the illegal handguns in canada, so I do have a say

Well bitch at your goverment for not being more strict.

Again it ain't gonna happen in this country.

 

[CptStern]

it IS strict ..look, when canada was tabling it's gun registry bill guess what country sent lobbyists to try to change politicans minds?

 

[Tr0n]

it IS strict ..look, when canada was tabling it's gun registry bill guess what country sent lobbyists to try to change politicans minds?

Well I guess it ain't strict enough.

Again bitch at your goverment...send them emails or something.You ain't gonna get anything done by complaining about it on some forum.

AGAIN if you was a realist you know it ain't gonna happen in this country.

 

[CptStern]

I realise that ..I never disputed the fact that the majority of americans support gun laws ...I dont agree with it, but I dont dispute that americans do


oh and handguns are extremely hard to come by here legally ..it's not legal handguns that's causing the problems

 

[Ardoramor]

I think they should make it like in Japan... airsoft only! If police sees someone with firearms, they have permision to blow their brains out

 

[Scoobnfl]

your second amendment right is responsible for 80% of the illegal handguns in canada, so I do have a say

and Canadas lax immigration practices put us at risk........ whah!!

 

[CptStern]

sure they do ..there's just a ton of canadians just dying to cross the border :upstare:

oh I see, you're talking about the multitude of terrorists with their cute little foreign passports just lining up at the border waiting to get in ..yup I can see how you'd be concerned

 

[No Limit]

But Stern you agree that most people that commit gun crimes got those gun illegaly, right? So the problem isn't with more regulation on gun laws, the problem is getting illegal weapons off the streets.

 

[deathdealer0331]

If you read the us constituton and its supporting documents you will see that the founders of this country wanted us to have firearms not for hunting and or sports but TO PROTECT US FROM A TYRANICAL GOVERMENT. They intended for every able bodied citezed to keep a firearm in case the goverment became corrupt. This may seem impossible here in the good ole USA, but thats exactly what happened in Germany when Hitler took power. And for the facts on guns and crime... in the U.S. less than 1% of accidental deaths are caused by firearms. Over 70% are caused by drunk drivers, falls, and drowndings... If you really want to save lives in this country lets ban cars, tobacco and swimming pools... individualy they kill many times more people every year than firearms.... A few years back the UK banned firearms thinking it would help reduce crime... Guess what now the criminals are using swords and knifes... People have been killing people since the begining of time... if somone wants to kill someone they will use thier bare hands or a rock if they have too... Lets keep in mind what the second amendment is really about, Its not hunting... its freedom from and opressive goverment.

 

[CptStern]

But Stern you agree that most people that commit gun crimes got those gun illegaly, right? So the problem isn't with more regulation on gun laws, the problem is getting illegal weapons off the streets.

the guns filter in from US vendors who then sell them on the black market

 

[Gray Fox]

If you read the us constituton and its supporting documents you will see that the founders of this country wanted us to have firearms not for hunting and or sports but TO PROTECT US FROM A TYRANICAL GOVERMENT. They intended for every able bodied citezed to keep a firearm in case the goverment became corrupt. This may seem impossible here in the good ole USA, but thats exactly what happened in Germany when Hitler took power. And for the facts on guns and crime... in the U.S. less than 1% of accidental deaths are caused by firearms. Over 70% are caused by drunk drivers, falls, and drowndings... If you really want to save lives in this country lets ban cars, tobacco and swimming pools... individualy they kill many times more people every year than firearms.... A few years back the UK banned firearms thinking it would help reduce crime... Guess what now the criminals are using swords and knifes... People have been killing people since the begining of time... if somone wants to kill someone they will use thier bare hands or a rock if they have too... Lets keep in mind what the second amendment is really about, Its not hunting... its freedom from and opressive goverment.

First of all many people in germany wanted hitler, they adored him at that time, and they had good reason to belieev him after what they were put through, secondly his ss was at first illegal and they armed themselfes because they could buy guns, if selling guns was illegal they would have had a harder time getting hem.
Now if you want to be sure that no corrupt government gets in power, then just stick your head out of your ass, and be actually critical of politicians, do your best to improve the country yourself, vote. Fatc is that in the US even if it had a corrupt government(which IMO it has because of gun nuts like you), and they would do illegal shit, guns would not help you, you live a pretty good life, this is not Iraq, you have a lot to loose, so don't expect much peopel to take up arms against the governemt, the only way your going to protect yourself is once gain by sticking your head out of your ass.

Swords and knives, where do you get your info about the UK, I have never ever read any report on that criminals are using swords more now then in any other time, in the 20th and 21 century, and yes they are using knives, but they will use them anyway even if you have guns. But what do you want that they use guns instead of swords and knives, do you believe that would make them less dangerous, cause that is what you seem to be implying. That they should just let them use guns because otherwise they would use swords and knives. And least I heard guns were way much more dangareus than knives and swords, not only do they make larger and more dangerous wonds, but you seem to be able to magicaly shoot from a distance, so running away isn't that effective for the victime anymore. Killing with a gun is way more easier than a knive, and has a lower treshhold.

For personal protection, what a load of crap, gun is not going to protect you much, cause in your country the criminal has probably one himself+ he has the element of surprise. You should by better security mesures and steel dors and all that kinda crap, I seen an oprah a once what sipelways you can take to protect your house from burgelars, that are cheaper and more fefective than guns.

Amd lastly, the police are the once who deal with criminal, and the ywant more guncontrol, and if soemoen is an expert on this subject then it is the police.

 

[Eg.]

so since the SS had guns, american citizens shouldnt?

again, what are u going to do if he has a gun? call the cops? come at him with a knife? or use a shitgun thats under ur bed?

 

[Desertrat]

Grey Fox, over half the households of the U.S. have one or more firearms. It's not physically possible for an Evil Group to survive some effort to institute a Hitlerian-style regime.

The U.S. Secret Service, responsible for the safety of the President and others, has stated that it is not possible to protect against a hostile person who's uninterested in his own survival. Politicians know this, which is why any degradation of our freedoms is of the creeping style, not "one fell swoop". However, even the creeping is now meeting with political resistance. So far, it's the soap box and the ballot box, not the cartridge box.

As for personal protection, one thing that is regularly proven is that honest people who consider handguns for self-defense are more skillful and more successful than the criminals. They are more prone to training and preparation against problems than are criminals. "Smash and grab" criminals are not noted for forethought or intelligence.

There has generally been a decline in misuse of firearms in crimes in the U.S. during the last fifteen or so years. Those states which have laws providing for concealed carry have seen a rate of reduction which is greater than the national average. Interviews with known criminals show that the uncertainty of a proposed victim's being armed is indeed a deterrent.

There are more home invasion style robberies in areas where ownership of firearms is discouraged; fewer in areas where homeowners are known to be armed or who are likely to be armed. After all, all predators prefer easy prey...

'Rat

 

[Eg.]

oops, i noticed what i wrote too late, i meant shotgun, cant change it sorry mods

 

[Kommie]

Hitler made it illegal to buy guns after he come into power, so they could stay in power. And arent you referring to the SA?

I dont think guns protect us from the government considering they have tanks and missiles and jets. So for someone to say that we need guns just in case uncle sam gets "uppity" is ridiculous.

 

[DarkSin]

Ooohh look what I found, a gun debate.

It seems to me that all the people saying "Guns are bad, You're crazy if you have a gun" sound scared of guns. What's so scarey about a gun? It's a piece of metal that shoots metal. What's so scarey about that? You know what's scarey? When a PERSON picks up that piece of metal that shoots metal, and points it at another PERSON. Guns don't kill people, they don't have a mind of their own, PEOPLE use guns to kill people. People fear guns because it is a very effective tool. If you want to kill some one, what's the easiest way to do it? Grab a gun. But why would you want to kill some one? Because he banged your wife? Because he said something that hurt your feelings? Sure. People kill other people because they do not think before they act. If someone thought "Oh, that man banged my wife, well.. he's an asshole and my wife is a skank, I should divorce her and find someone who is better for me". Wouldn't that be a lot better then killing someone.

Should there be a ban on guns? No. People should not be left defensless. If the USA was invaded by another country, we would be well prepared. You see, if you think we have people walking down streets carrying around pistols and rifles out in the open, you have a horrible idea of how life in the USA is like. Guns are usually just kept in a closet, under a bed, or somewhere out of sight. Guns are a reassurance that you're safe, that you're protected if someone comes to attack you.

What scares you people so much though are the criminals that get ahold of guns. Guns can kill, their main purpose is to destroy. When idiots get ahold of guns, it puts a bad stereotype on all gun owners. Let me tell you something. I own a AK-47. Why? Mostly for bragging rights. It is also VERY fun to shoot at the local shooting range or out-doors. Just hitting targets and murdering soda cans is fun and challenging. Do I need a AK-47, of course not, but it's fun to shoot and fun to brag about having one. Would I use it too kill someone? No. Could I use it to kill someone? Yes.
I grew up in a house hold with guns, and let me tell you, no one in my family has died from being shot, no one has even been shot in my family, and no one in my family has ever killed anyone. So why are guns so bad? They aren't. They are just misunderstood. The idiots that get ahold of guns and use them for the wrong purposes are bad, not the gun.

This is more of a rant to get people to understand my viewpoint. It's not really political, more of a sense of what guns really are. This world is not perfect, don't blame a simple object on it's imperfections. They are tools of destruction, but used logically and maturely, they will cause you no grief.

To RZAL : I applaud you.

To Nick : Shut up fool.

 

[colson]

Uhm... I don't know that much about the real situation there (for I don't really trust sources like Bowling for Columbine) - but as far as I can say, all the killing hasn't got to do with the laws but with society itself.

Guns don't kill people, people kill people has a somewhat great relevance to me.

Look at Switzerland for example, the soldiers may keep their fully automatic assault rifles after serving - but the crime rate there is extremely low. I don't want to discuss the social properties of countries here; just an impression and my opinion

(I voted neutral)

Very true. Look how many guns there is up here in Canada. Lots of guns but still farely low crime envolving guns.

 

[colson]

Ooohh look what I found, a gun debate.

It seems to me that all the people saying "Guns are bad, You're crazy if you have a gun" sound scared of guns. What's so scarey about a gun? It's a piece of metal that shoots metal. What's so scarey about that? You know what's scarey? When a PERSON picks up that piece of metal that shoots metal, and points it at another PERSON. Guns don't kill people, they don't have a mind of their own, PEOPLE use guns to kill people. People fear guns because it is a very effective tool. If you want to kill some one, what's the easiest way to do it? Grab a gun. But why would you want to kill some one? Because he banged your wife? Because he said something that hurt your feelings? Sure. People kill other people because they do not think before they act. If someone thought "Oh, that man banged my wife, well.. he's an asshole and my wife is a skank, I should divorce her and find someone who is better for me". Wouldn't that be a lot better then killing someone.

Should there be a ban on guns? No. People should not be left defensless. If the USA was invaded by another country, we would be well prepared. You see, if you think we have people walking down streets carrying around pistols and rifles out in the open, you have a horrible idea of how life in the USA is like. Guns are usually just kept in a closet, under a bed, or somewhere out of sight. Guns are a reassurance that you're safe, that you're protected if someone comes to attack you.

What scares you people so much though are the criminals that get ahold of guns. Guns can kill, their main purpose is to destroy. When idiots get ahold of guns, it puts a bad stereotype on all gun owners. Let me tell you something. I own a AK-47. Why? Mostly for bragging rights. It is also VERY fun to shoot at the local shooting range or out-doors. Just hitting targets and murdering soda cans is fun and challenging. Do I need a AK-47, of course not, but it's fun to shoot and fun to brag about having one. Would I use it too kill someone? No. Could I use it to kill someone? Yes.
I grew up in a house hold with guns, and let me tell you, no one in my family has died from being shot, no one has even been shot in my family, and no one in my family has ever killed anyone. So why are guns so bad? They aren't. They are just misunderstood. The idiots that get ahold of guns and use them for the wrong purposes are bad, not the gun.

This is more of a rant to get people to understand my viewpoint. It's not really political, more of a sense of what guns really are. This world is not perfect, don't blame a simple object on it's imperfections. They are tools of destruction, but used logically and maturely, they will cause you no grief.

To RZAL : I applaud you.

To Nick : Shut up fool.

Holy shit an AK-47?! Damn that would be tough to get in Canada. Canada's so intense about automatics and pistols. Lots of practical guns like hunting rifles and shotguns though. I own a few myself.

 

[Javert]

Should there be a ban on guns? No. People should not be left defensless. If the USA was invaded by another country, we would be well prepared. You see, if you think we have people walking down streets carrying around pistols and rifles out in the open, you have a horrible idea of how life in the USA is like. Guns are usually just kept in a closet, under a bed, or somewhere out of sight. Guns are a reassurance that you're safe, that you're protected if someone comes to attack you.
...
I grew up in a house hold with guns, and let me tell you, no one in my family has died from being shot, no one has even been shot in my family, and no one in my family has ever killed anyone. So why are guns so bad? They aren't. They are just misunderstood. The idiots that get ahold of guns and use them for the wrong purposes are bad, not the gun.

My problem is not with guns. It is those who wish to amend the constitution for their sake, as well as misinterpreting the constitution in the first place.

 

[Danimal]

I'm from outside the US and I don't have an opinion.

If I did say my opinion it would be violently murdered and raped by the media.

 

[Gray Fox]

Desertrat

Hitler made it illegal to buy guns after he come into power, so they could stay in power. And arent you referring to the SA?

Yep, sorry i did mean the SA, but so your saying, even though the germans had guns he came to power, are you telling me their guns did not protect them against the german army, oh nooo. Well then what is the point.

Grey Fox, over half the households of the U.S. have one or more firearms. It's not physically possible for an Evil Group to survive some effort to institute a Hitlerian-style regime.

Yes it is, you can't do shit about it, if you only try to protect yourself with your gun, against a professionally trained army, and most people wouldn't for the reasons I allready said, you still have a lot to loose. Besides like you yourself said the degradetion of our freedoms is of the creeping style, and guns don't protect you against that, your mind does.

As for personal protection, one thing that is regularly proven is that honest people who consider handguns for self-defense are more skillful and more successful than the criminals. They are more prone to training and preparation against problems than are criminals. "Smash and grab" criminals are not noted for forethought or intelligence.

Well then provide me with soem proof, that that is proven, besides, skill don't matter that much if he has teh element of surprise, which criminals most of the time do have.

There has generally been a decline in misuse of firearms in crimes in the U.S. during the last fifteen or so years. Those states which have laws providing for concealed carry have seen a rate of reduction which is greater than the national average. Interviews with known criminals show that the uncertainty of a proposed victim's being armed is indeed a deterrent.

Again, give me some proof. As far as I can see it makes the job for police officers just that much more difficult, when everyone can carry a concealed gun, and what happens when those peopel get in to a fight with soemone. Besides then I have an idea, make it leagal to have nukes, that way you have mutually assured destruction, haha now no one will dare to atatck anyone, cause veryone has a nuke with him.

There are more home invasion style robberies in areas where ownership of firearms is discouraged; fewer in areas where homeowners are known to be armed or who are likely to be armed. After all, all predators prefer easy prey...

Well doh, because the criminals come from the states that they can buy a gun from, the have a gun, so thy choose to rob in a state where gun ownership is illegal, because they know those people probably have no guns, your system is flawed in the us, either you have a ban in all states or no ban at all, or this shit is going to happen. But tell me what if you had a ban in the whole united states, you would probably see a decrease of guns in the hands of criminals. And like I said the best way to protect your house is not with a gun but with good and proper security in your house, like alarms, steel doors, lights that react to movement.


Darksin

It seems to me that all the people saying "Guns are bad, You're crazy if you have a gun" sound scared of guns. What's so scarey about a gun? It's a piece of metal that shoots metal. What's so scarey about that? You know what's scarey? When a PERSON picks up that piece of metal that shoots metal, and points it at another PERSON. Guns don't kill people, they don't have a mind of their own, PEOPLE use guns to kill people. People fear guns because it is a very effective tool. If you want to kill some one, what's the easiest way to do it? Grab a gun. But why would you want to kill some one? Because he banged your wife? Because he said something that hurt your feelings? Sure. People kill other people because they do not think before they act. If someone thought "Oh, that man banged my wife, well.. he's an asshole and my wife is a skank, I should divorce her and find someone who is better for me". Wouldn't that be a lot better then killing someone.

So because there are a lot of nutcases, we should not ban firearms, so that they can try to kill us with guns instead with knives. I would say the opposite, because people kill people and guns make it so much more easier to kill, you should ban them.

Should there be a ban on guns? No. People should not be left defensless. If the USA was invaded by another country, we would be well prepared. You see, if you think we have people walking down streets carrying around pistols and rifles out in the open, you have a horrible idea of how life in the USA is like. Guns are usually just kept in a closet, under a bed, or somewhere out of sight. Guns are a reassurance that you're safe, that you're protected if someone comes to attack you.

If you do not feel safe in your county without a gun, then you have a really big problem, then you should vote for a government that will increase the policeforce. And if you think you are going to be invaded by another country then you are crazy. You allready spend 590 billion on offense, if only you would say take 50 billion from that and spend it on the police.

What scares you people so much though are the criminals that get ahold of guns. Guns can kill, their main purpose is to destroy. When idiots get ahold of guns, it puts a bad stereotype on all gun owners. Let me tell you something. I own a AK-47. Why? Mostly for bragging rights. It is also VERY fun to shoot at the local shooting range or out-doors. Just hitting targets and murdering soda cans is fun and challenging. Do I need a AK-47, of course not, but it's fun to shoot and fun to brag about having one. Would I use it too kill someone? No. Could I use it to kill someone? Yes.
I grew up in a house hold with guns, and let me tell you, no one in my family has died from being shot, no one has even been shot in my family, and no one in my family has ever killed anyone. So why are guns so bad? They aren't. They are just misunderstood. The idiots that get ahold of guns and use them for the wrong purposes are bad, not the gun.

Eaxactly criminals getting hold of guns scares the shit out of me, and you make it easier for them. And why should the government take the risk of allowing peopel to own an ak47, when it's only fro bragging. Why?
If you wanna brag, well then make it that people can have ak47, but they stay at the range in a safe, you can not take them home. If you wanna shoot, you can do it at the range, and nowhere else. In other words, just ebcasue you have small penis does not mean the government should allpw you to have an ak47, for gods sake you allready can own a 4x4, what do you need more to feel manly.

This is more of a rant to get people to understand my viewpoint. It's not really political, more of a sense of what guns really are. This world is not perfect, don't blame a simple object on it's imperfections. They are tools of destruction, but used logically and maturely, they will cause you no grief.

exactly the world is not perfect, there are a lot of people who want to kill others, so lets not let them have big ****ing guns. And how much people do you know that use guns logically and maturly, by your won account you don't either, you use it to brag.

 

[DarkSin]

Grey. You need to read the rest of this thread before you argue any further. A lot of these issues that you state have been addressed already and shot down.

So because there are a lot of nutcases, we should not ban firearms, so that they can try to kill us with guns instead with knives. I would say the opposite, because people kill people and guns make it so much more easier to kill, you should ban them.

If a nutcase wants to get a gun, they will get a gun, illegal or not. You underestimate the power of insanity.

f you do not feel safe in your county without a gun, then you have a really big problem, then you should vote for a government that will increase the policeforce. And if you think you are going to be invaded by another country then you are crazy. You allready spend 590 billion on offense, if only you would say take 50 billion from that and spend it on the police

And the police will do what? Stop a murder? I don't know about you, but our police don't have teleporters where right when we push a button, they are instantly there. If some insane mane who is suicidal comes into your house bent on killing whoever is in there, would you like to wait 5-10 minutes for the police to get there? Please tell me what you would do. This man has a gun mind you, having bought it off the black market. What would you if you heard someone break your window or bust down your door? Grab a knife or some mace? I'm sorry but your dead if you do that. But you could have saved your families life if you had a gun to stop the intruder. Would you want to be left in that situation because scared and uneducated people want to ban guns?

Eaxactly criminals getting hold of guns scares the shit out of me, and you make it easier for them. And why should the government take the risk of allowing peopel to own an ak47, when it's only fro bragging. Why?

Now now, bragging is fun, but it's not the reason why I have the gun. Have you shot a gun? I can bet that you haven't. It is quite fun, i'd rather go out shooting then play a video game any day. I have it mostly for fun. But I'll use it for protection too if the need arises. On a side note, my penis is very sizable mind you, don't try and make personal attacks and put words in my mouth, it makes you look like an idiot. You just don't understand. If a criminal wants to get a gun, he will get a gun, banned or unbanned. Look at all the countries that have banned guns, they still have gun deaths. Grey, I really do not need to make anymore points, your argument is flawed, just because your scared of guns doesn't mean they should be banned world wide, they are a useful tool and should not be thrown away because of ignorance. You're arguing about something you don't understand.


On a side note : Guns aren't completely banned in any states. A lot of times you need to get a liscense to conceal a weapon, meaning put it under your shirt or under your jacket or something. Guns aren't banned in any states in the USA. We just have different gun laws, but most are relatively the same in any state.

 

[Gray Fox]

But banning guns will make it thougher for criminals to get guns, countries that have guns banned do indeed still have gun crimes but not so many as countries which have no ban.

But okey lets make a compromise, you can have a handgun in your house, but you can't have an automatic weapon or a high caliber, those guns stay in a safe at the firing range. You do not need an ak for protection, a 9 mill wil do the job fine. Would you agree with that.

 

[Tr0n]

But banning guns will make it thougher for criminals to get guns, countries that have guns banned do indeed still have gun crimes but not so many as countries which have no ban.

But okey lets make a compromise, you can have a handgun in your house, but you can't have an automatic weapon or a high caliber, those guns stay in a safe at the firing range. You do not need an ak for protection, a 9 mill wil do the job fine. Would you agree with that.

Yea...I would agree with that.

 

[DarkSin]

I'm sorry if I lead you to believe that my AK is automatic. It's only semi-automatic. Meaning 1 pull of the trigger 1 bullet comes out. Banning them makes it harder for criminals to get them yes, but I still don't think that is a good reason to ban such a useful tool. This is just one of those topics where opinions can't be swayed.

The AK is more for fun, not protection. I do have 3 pistols also, they are my protection. Pistols aren't near as fun to shoot. But yes I do agree with you there. But here, the public can't buy automatic weapons legally without a Class 3 liscense, which is very hard to obtain. Even if you get a Class 3 license, you're life and family are put under a microscope by the government to make sure you don't do anything bad. There are even limitation to what you can do with your automatic rifle. I hear, but not totally sure, that you have to keep it within so many feet of you at all times, so no one will grab it and steal it or what not. To put it simple, Pistols/Semi Automatic Rifles = Relatively easy to get, wait period, background check, the basics. Automatic Rifles/Sub Machine guns/Grenades.. etc - Very hard to get, requires a special license that must be issued by the mayor of your state.

I would not be sad if automatic rifles got banned in the USA. They are not really needed, but I'd be outraged if they tried to ban pistols or semi's.

 

[Nightfall]

Well doh, because the criminals come from the states that they can buy a gun from,

I hate to break it to you, but criminals can't just walk into an Ammunation and pick up an Uzi. The reality is that if you go into a gun shop, you have to go through an instant background check. Those who have committed violent crimes, are mentally ill, etc. are denied their purchase (amongst other action). Criminals don't get their firearms at gunshops. They make illegal purchases on the street, and would stay the course despite a ban.

your system is flawed in the us, either you have a ban in all states or no ban at all, or this shit is going to happen. But tell me what if you had a ban in the whole united states, you would probably see a decrease of guns in the hands of criminals. And like I said the best way to protect your house is not with a gun but with good and proper security in your house, like alarms, steel doors, lights that react to movement

Many drugs are illegal in the United States. Cocaine, heroine, marijuana, etc. But millions of people have or do use drugs. America spends loads of money on drug interdiction, both here and abroad. We have entire government agencies dedicated to drug control alone. But despite the laws, the millions (maybe billions) poured into enforcing the bans, countless man hours of law enforcement raids, detective work, etc. getting whatever drug you want still poses little problem. They're in our schools, on our streets, in people's homes.

[sarcastic]But somehow (magically I guess) if we ban guns, they'll just disappear from the country. Unlike drugs, unlike the failed alcohol prohibition, this time it will work! The black market won't meet the criminal demand for firearms. Nobody will smuggle guns in from other countries. Really![/sarcastic]

Look, there are well over 200 million firearms in the USA. There is almost 1 gun for every man, woman, and child. Even if you poured billions into law enforcement, violated everyone's rights with random home searches, and made it the nation's number 1 priority, you couldn't get all the guns. Just like we still have tons of drugs despite all the effort, guns would still be plentiful. The black market would rise to meet the criminal demand (it always does when there is money to be made), firearms would be smuggled in, and no doubt crude guns would be manufactured in the underground.

The final result? The criminals would still have their firearms. The only difference is that the good guys, the law-abiding citizen, would be defenseless. Congrats! You've managed to create a criminal utopia.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

2Gryphon said it best:

http://www.ranting-gryphon.com/Rants/2rant-guns.mp3

3:00 minutes of a rant about Gun Control -- ITS HILARIOUS!

 

[RZAL]

2Gryphon said it best:

http://www.ranting-gryphon.com/Rants/2rant-guns.mp3

3:00 minutes of a rant about Gun Control -- ITS HILARIOUS!

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!









The Patriot "Freedom is not Free"

 

[Sainku]

I think everyone should be required by law to carry a loaded gun at all times. Then if you tried to rob someplace...you would have 30 ticked off people pointing guns at you. Maybe this wouldnt work...but if you work out a few bugs it could be very effective!


Warning: Post may or may not include sarcasm

 

[Pressure]

Ok let's say we did ban firearms. How are you going to make people give up the guns they already own? Guns can easily be bought off the street for a couple hundred so theres no records of you ever owning it. Also note, the people who usually buy guns like that only plan to use them for things other than sports.

Sainku also has a point, although he was just joking. Since here, in Florida, people are allowed to carry concealed firearms robbers biggest worry is robbing a place where someone might have a gun that they don't know about. I'm pretty sure you're not allowed to bring the gun into a bank though lol.

 

[GhostFox]

I think everyone should be required by law to carry a loaded gun at all times.

There was a study done in some town somewhere (I forget where, if anyone knows please post) where in response to a rapidly rising crime rate they asked all adults participating to carry a loaded weapon on their person at all times. I think it was carried out for something like 6 weeks. During that time there were zero crimes commited. Nothing from murder to shoplifting. No cars were stolen, no one had grafiti sprayed on a wall.

Now I am not saying that this should be instituted, but it does give interesting insight into guns as a crime control method.

 

[CptStern]

yes but then that leads to situations like the Hatfields and the McCoys ...oh and how would anyone enforce the law if everyone has a gun?

"this glock says I dont need no parking ticket, ya hear!"

 

[burner69]

What about that big old experiement called America the rest of us are using as research NOT to legalise firearms.

 

[RZAL]

yes but then that leads to situations like the Hatfields and the McCoys ...oh and how would anyone enforce the law if everyone has a gun?

"this glock says I dont need no parking ticket, ya hear!"

If you follow the history of law enforcement back far enough, you will find that by law all people were responsible for enforcing it, ie ..hue and cry.

Do you remember a few years back in LA where that girl was gang raped in the park. People just stopped and watched it happen, no one even tried to help. I think in that case some Hatfields and McCoys were called for. Anyway I see what your saying.

Is this thread ever going to die?


The Patriot "Freedom is not Free'

 

[CptStern]

If you follow the history of law enforcement back far enough, you will find that by law all people were responsible for enforcing it, ie ..hue and cry.

Do you remember a few years back in LA where that girl was gang raped in the park. People just stopped and watched it happen, no one even tried to help. I think in that case some Hatfields and McCoys were called for. Anyway I see what your saying.

Is this thread ever going to die?


The Patriot "Freedom is not Free'

yes but a counter-point to the gang rape would be the history of lynch gangs in america that claimed 2805 lives from 1882 to 1930. The common man cannot be trusted to impartially mete out justice, that's what the judicial system is for

 

[RZAL]

yes but a counter-point to the gang rape would be the history of lynch gangs in america that claimed 2805 lives from 1882 to 1930. The common man cannot be trusted to impartially mete out justice, that's what the judicial system is for

So are you saying people don’t have a moral obligation to protect the weak?

Don’t confuse the notion of law enforcement with the administration of justice.





The Patriot “Freedom is not free”

 

[CptStern]

So are you saying people don’t have a moral obligation to protect the weak?

sure they do, whether the follow through or not is another matter altogether ..I just dont think the public is best equipped to mete out justice or even uphold the law

Don’t confuse the notion of law enforcement with the administration of justice.

I dont see how I am ..the point is that an armed populace may take matters into their own hands (the example being the lynch mobs)

 

[RZAL]

sure they do, whether the follow through or not is another matter altogether ..I just dont think the public is best equipped to mete out justice or even uphold the law

Justice comes from a court of law, upholding the law is everyones responsibility.

I dont see how I am ..the point is that an armed populace may take matters into their own hands (the example being the lynch mobs)

True, they may go to far and break the law. Look at it this way, its everyones responsibility to up hold the law, its the courts responsibility to administer justice i,e, punishment. The public cannot punish offenders only the courts can. If the public uses excessive force it is considered a form of punishment. Are you following me now? Don’t confuse the notion of law enforcement with the administration of justice.




The Patriot “Freedom is not Free”

 

[jondy]

Justice comes from a court of law, upholding the law is everyones responsibility.

So everyone should own a gun, to administer justice upon wrongdoers? You gotta be shitting me.