Doctor Who: Season 4

I think he means it's not true in the same way Human Daleks never happened.
 
Jack himself confirms that he is a fixed point in time. Hence, whenever he dies, he returns to the exact same state he was in when he was resurrected on Platform 5. Little things like hair and fingernail growth and clothes don't change, but his state of physical being always returns to the age of 38. If he does not die for a while, he could physically age normally (this explains his line about occasional grey hairs in The Last of the Time Lords). However, if he ever found himself getting too old, all he would have to do would be to die and he would be reset to 38. By this logic, when Boe died in Gridlock, there should have been a naked 38 year old Jack sitting in the shattered life support tank. As it was, he simply died.

It'd odd how a line in Utopia and Jack's very reason for being nearly killed by the TARDIS was then contradicted two episodes later by the same writer who just wanted to "propose a theory and make a little joke" (his words not mine).

Besides, the Face of Boe is said to have had Boemina (children) in the year 200,000 and that the Boe's home planet was located in the Silver Devastation on the Isop Galaxy. This implies that they are indeed a race of aliens and that Boe himself isn't simply a one off. It also ties in with the novel The Monsters Inside where Jack states that he once saw someone dress as the Face of Boe at a fancy dress party. This implies that Boe was a celebrity around the time Jack was a lad. Hence, people on the Boeshane Peninsular called him the Face of Boe as some sort of affectionate nickname after the famous figure.

Just like someone I know who looks like an ugly chimpanzee is called Rooney by most everyone.
 
i didn't realise there was so many holes with the face of boe thing. It seemed stupid to me but I didn't see the contradictions :|

or maybe he means the ones from the Dalek 2 parter set in 30 New York from new Who series 3
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what i don't remember that :p
 
The Boe thing in my personal fanon (fan canon - I love compound words! :E) stays closed until it is forcibly ripped open by some ignoramus. Hence I never have to think about it. That way it cannot be directly contradicted every time we see Jack die and by any potential future choices the character makes.

If you want to keep it open until it pressed closed exceedingly lightly by some glorious writer, then that's fine by me! :D
 
Emporius said:
It's the episode with the Empire state building, and the pig people
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Mmmnope. Doesn't ring a bell. And I'm sure I'd remember something at stupid as pig people. You sure you're not confusing this with some other show?
 
Reginald said:
Jack himself confirms that he is a fixed point in time. Hence, whenever he dies, he returns to the exact same state he was in when he was resurrected on Platform 5. Little things like hair and fingernail growth and clothes don't change, but his state of physical being always returns to the age of 38. If he does not die for a while, he could physically age normally (this explains his line about occasional grey hairs in The Last of the Time Lords). However, if he ever found himself getting too old, all he would have to do would be to die and he would be reset to 38. By this logic, when Boe died in Gridlock, there should have been a naked 38 year old Jack sitting in the shattered life support tank. As it was, he simply died.

It'd odd how a line in Utopia and Jack's very reason for being nearly killed by the TARDIS was then contradicted two episodes later by the same writer who just wanted to "propose a theory and make a little joke" (his words not mine).

Besides, the Face of Boe is said to have had Boemina (children) in the year 200,000 and that the Boe's home planet was located in the Silver Devastation on the Isop Galaxy. This implies that they are indeed a race of aliens and that Boe himself isn't simply a one off. It also ties in with the novel The Monsters Inside where Jack states that he once saw someone dress as the Face of Boe at a fancy dress party. This implies that Boe was a celebrity around the time Jack was a lad. Hence, people on the Boeshane Peninsular called him the Face of Boe as some sort of affectionate nickname after the famous figure.

Just like someone I know who looks like an ugly chimpanzee is called Rooney by most everyone.
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Firstly, books=non-canon, so no valid argument there, secondly, at no point in the TV series of either Who or Torchwood is it implied he reverts back to 38 when he dies, I don't know where you got that from. You can't decide for the writters what they mean by a "fixed point" when they have not revealed it.
Also, as you said, he still ages, just maybe not as fast as before.

Even if all that evidence you put foward could be considered fact, which it kind as it's all based on your interpreations of the facts given, the writers could simply override all that with a couple of lines of script.

He was suggested as the Face Of Boa, and then it was confirmed in the commentary by the producer.

End of.
 
stemot said:
Firstly, books=non-canon, so no valid argument there, secondly, at no point in the TV series of either Who or Torchwood is it implied he reverts back to 38 when he dies, I don't know where you got that from. You can't decide for the writters what they mean by a "fixed point" when they have not revealed it.
Also, as you said, he still ages, just maybe not as fast as before.

Even if all that evidence you put foward could be considered fact, which it kind as it's all based on your interpreations of the facts given, the writers could simply override all that with a couple of lines of script.

He was suggested as the Face Of Boa, and then it was confirmed in the commentary by the producer.

End of.
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This man speaks the truth
 
TheAntipop said:
Steady now - worse than Colin Baker, or Peter Davison? The two Doctors who did nigh anything really rememorable (at least to me, anyway), over the Doctor that killed a Dalek by ranting to it? You're crazy, man. Crazy.

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pics or it didnt happen
oh wait....
 

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Oh, and one more thing about Jack seeing someone wear a mask of the Face Of Boa so that couldn`t be him (in a book), he is now living his life throughout time, so he has at some point got to reach a time where he was born, which would mean that there are now two of him running around the same time, if by this point he was already the FOB, it would be quite easy for the other Jack born of that time to know of the Face, just not that it is actually his future self.

Suck on that :D
 
stemot said:
Oh, and one more thing about Jack seeing someone wear a mask of the Face Of Boa
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So Jack's a snake, is he??!!!!
For future reference it's spelt Boe, just so you don't mke the same mistake again!! :cheese:
Gave me a good laugh, though!!! :E
 
stemot said:
Firstly, books=non-canon, so no valid argument there, secondly, at no point in the TV series of either Who or Torchwood is it implied he reverts back to 38 when he dies, I don't know where you got that from. You can't decide for the writters what they mean by a "fixed point" when they have not revealed it.
Also, as you said, he still ages, just maybe not as fast as before.

Even if all that evidence you put foward could be considered fact, which it kind as it's all based on your interpreations of the facts given, the writers could simply override all that with a couple of lines of script.

He was suggested as the Face Of Boa, and then it was confirmed in the commentary by the producer.

End of.
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True, true. But when something is "proposed as a theory" with no back up either way, it comes down to fanon on either side of the fence. My theory fits with every piece of canon material so far. Yours doesn't.

Besides, RTD said in an interview that it was "a light-hearted joke meant to bring the mood back up after a particularly bleak episode".

Until it's confirmed either way, I'll stick with my theory, you can stick with yours.
 
That episode wins the title of 'least worst up until this point'.
 
First I've seen of this series, and I thought it was really good.
 
Reginald said:
True, true. But when something is "proposed as a theory" with no back up either way, it comes down to fanon on either side of the fence. My theory fits with every piece of canon material so far. Yours doesn't.

Besides, RTD said in an interview that it was "a light-hearted joke meant to bring the mood back up after a particularly bleak episode".

Until it's confirmed either way, I'll stick with my theory, you can stick with yours.
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Julie gardener has confirmed it, and how does my explanation of Jack living through both time periods not fit? It is fact, Jack will run through his original time of life at some point, and he will clearly be the Face Of Boa at that point if your love of the books is to believed.

He clearly is the FOB, after Gardener confirmed it in the commentary and it fits all the story, eg, the second time ever the Doctor meets Boa, he calls him "Old Friend", you do not say that to someone you've only met twice.

Also, Boa knew about the Master, because he was with the Doctor when it all happened, and so passed the information back on to the Doctor further on time, you know, "wibbly wobbly timey wimey".

Jack is Boa confirmed and fitting, deny it all you want, it's fact.
 
I'd take you seriously if you didn't keep calling him Boa! :LOL:

I'm just not entirely sure on how someone that can't die can mutate into a giant head and then suddenly be cured of immortality.

Like I say, whether you regard Jack as Boe or not, it requires a lot of fanon speculation either way and that is the way it will stay unless another writer is stupid enough to bring it up again. And besides, the Executive Producer and Writer saying its a joke holds more credibility than than the Producer saying it's true, imho.

Right now, I don't think it matters as this season's finale is the last time Jack will likely be in Who for the foreseeable future and I can't see Boe turning up in Torchwood any time soon.

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The direction this thread has taken is Emotionally Fantastic Fantastic Fantastic!
 
Reginald said:
I'd take you seriously if you didn't keep calling him Boa! :LOL:

I'm just not entirely sure on how someone that can't die can mutate into a giant head and then suddenly be cured of immortality.

Like I say, whether you regard Jack as Boe or not, it requires a lot of fanon speculation either way and that is the way it will stay unless another writer is stupid enough to bring it up again. And besides, the Executive Producer and Writer saying its a joke holds more credibility than than the Producer saying it's true, imho.

Right now, I don't think it matters as this season's finale is the last time Jack will likely be in Who for the foreseeable future and I can't see Boe turning up in Torchwood any time soon.

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1. My spelling is nothing to do with this and a cheap shot in your poor argument.
2. It's not your place to say what's possible, it's sci-fi, the fans on the Who forums have pretty much resigned themselves to an evolutionary process on Jacks exceedingly long lifespan, which is the only speculation that I've seen needed.
3.He never said it was a joke, only that it was a piece of dialog to bring back some light heartedness after a heavy scene, in no way did he say it was a joke, and besides, Gardener is the number 2 goto person for the whole return of who, I would think her input is very important, and she has confirmed it, not to mention Russel T Davis was in the same commentary when she confirmed it, and he never challenged her at all.
If you want to go by evidence in the series itself, it was said in the show, for the moment it is fact, and like you said, I would think it's the last time we will see Jack in Who for a while.

Your denying all the solid facts laid in front of you by the series and crew on the show, to believe what you want, that's fine, but don't try to tell other people they are wrong when it's what the show has said that this is what becomes of him.
 
The episode was the best of the season so far, though the ending was rather meh. The first 3/4 of it are good though. I suspected the priest from the start though; he was the only character whose flashback didn't contradict his statement.
 
Latest episode was okay, a bit corny, but I loved having Agatha Christie
 
I thought that this episode was a bit pap to be honest, the CGI on the wasp was awful to say the least, but then I never appreciate these kind of episodes at first, but when I watch them on DVD they grow on me.
It was the same with The Shakespear Code and The Quiet Dead, but I think both of these episodes pissed all over The Wasp And The Unicorn.
 
All Doctor Who episodes feel like they're just shit filler until the last 5 episodes when the big mystery is revealed, and this episode felt no different.
 
Dalamari said:
All Doctor Who episodes feel like they're just shit filler until the last 5 episodes when the big mystery is revealed, and this episode felt no different.
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So you didn't enjoy The Empty Child, Family Of Blood, Blink etc then?
 
I don't know why anyone can complain about the CGI. Doctor Who will never be realistic or very good-looking, never anything more in its visual style than hilariously kitsch, because it has to be showable before the watershed. That's the show. There are rare exceptions like Blink and the Family of blood episodes, that seem to have a genuine visual style, but for the most part I have resigned myself to the producers' unwillingness to make anything look faintly plausible. :p
 
What about Satan from Planet of the Ood and The Satan Pit? That looked fantastic!
 
I did moan a bit inside when The Wasp changed. That was terrible. But other than that it was quite a good episode. Certainly better than the last one. Just seemed like another typical Doctor Who episode.
 
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