Fallout 3 walkthrough with combat footage

And anyone with half-a-brain who does his research.
 
Mikael Grizzly said:
To clarify, this isn't a "good game/bad game" problem. It's a good Fallout game/bad Fallout game problem.
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To further clarify, this isn't a "realistic expectations" problem. This is a "stuck up self-entitled fanboy" problem.

You don't own Fallout, they do. Get over it. To think that you have every right to pirate the game because it doesn't meet your own standards of quality is incredibly arrogant. Just because you're a fan of the series doesn't give you a stake in how it progresses or how the brand is used. Don't like it, don't buy it. Simple as.

Hardly bears repeating at this point, but at the end of the day they're still a business. Of course they're going to alter a product if it means a better return on their investment. Which, if you think about it, was probably pretty small to begin with given Interplay's monetary woes. Profits margins ftw! ^_^
 
Bad^Hat said:
You don't own Fallout, they do. Get over it. To think that you have every right to pirate the game because it doesn't meet your own standards of quality is incredibly arrogant. Just because you're a fan of the series doesn't give you a stake in how it progresses or how the brand is used. Don't like it, don't buy it. Simple as.
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You don't understand the point, do you? Since I can't rely on game journalists to provide me with information as to the quality of the game (they're mostly Asuka clones), I need to find out how good the game is on my own - and I will not pay before I know it's good.

Hardly bears repeating at this point, but at the end of the day they're still a business. Of course they're going to alter a product if it means a better return on their investment. Which, if you think about it, was probably pretty small to begin with given Interplay's monetary woes. Profits margins ftw! ^_^
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It's going to be pretty large, since Fallout was sold cheap. Too cheap.
 
"Nothing in common" is a bit extreme. It would be more accurate to say that, in fact, it does take a fallout fan boy to see that Fallout 3 has nothing in common with Fallout 1/2.

What's the typical gamer going to see? Post-apocalyptic future? Check. Vaults? Check. Variety of skills, SPECIAL system, PIP-Boy? Check.

It takes someone who actually played the previous games to see whatever differences there are. Remember, the casual gamer is going to come to this series and assume it is representative of the Fallout series as a whole.

By the way, the Fallout fandom is practically unique for having more haters than actual fans.
 
Did you actually read through our boards, or do you just repeat an overheard statement like a parrot?
 
I read through your boards. The hate is palpable.
 
Then you didn't pay attention. Older members of the boards have a more moderate position and do constructive criticism, while it's the newbs that give us a bad name. I wonder why do you generalise and draw conclusions basing on a handful of users, I thought you were intelligent.
 
I think I prefered it when it was considered more sensible to judge something on it's own terms, rather than place silly expectations on it so you can have something to bitch about.
 
Meh, no matter how embarrassing some of the rabid fanboyism at the NMA forums might be, I don't see how that makes it a controversial thing to say 'I don't think this game is going to be very good.' People make judgements like that about unreleased games all the time without arousing this much fuss.

For the record, Yahtzee summed up my own expectations for F3 in a couple of sentences.
 
Mikael Grizzly said:
As usual, you speak about things you know nothing of.
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And you, making assumptions like that. Naughty naughty. It's basic marketing and economics in practice. Honestly there is no reason they'd provide that one particular part of the world all these extra goodies unless it meant they got a damn good return out of it. So either A: The market stinks or expanding on that the supplier for that country has a hard time selling any units and hence plans all these tacky things to be bundled with CEs. Or B It really doesn't matter because crap that comes with CEs isn't worth a 1/10th of the money they charge for it.

To summarise. I hope you enjoy getting your wallet raped on a routine basis for some cheap junk.

You want your opinion validated? Let someone else do it for you. I'm sure you can't wait for the "zomg F3 sucks" threads. I on the other hand don't care. My problem has and always will be some people who think their opinion is the correct one and that everyone should agree with them. I don't care about anyone else's opinion except for my own. If my opinion happens to coincide with others so be it that's probably a good thing, but in this case I'm on Beths side. It's their IP now and they can do whatever the they like with it. Sure I ask developers to make a game I'd like but I don't go out of my way to tell them the way they make their game is wrong. The market is quite capable of doing that for me.
 
I won't even dignify that post with an answer, since you really don't have a clue.
 
Oh man, Monty Python, always appropriate. :D

Heh, Fallout 3 threads are the gaming equivalent of religion threads on HL2.net.

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That's the cutest thing I've seen in days.
 
Mikael Grizzly said:
Where am I a hypocrite, pray tell?
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Well for a start, endorsing software piracy does not sit well with that halflife2.net staff badge, gringo. Neither does fuelling petty arguments with the users on your own board. I have nothing against you personally Mikael, but as a moderator you might want to try putting your energy into leading by example instead of using your opinion as a spoon to stir the proverbial, yes?

love and kisses
CR0M
 
CR0M said:
Well for a start, endorsing software piracy does not sit well with that halflife2.net staff badge, gringo. Neither does fuelling petty arguments with the users on your own board. I have nothing against you personally Mikael, but as a moderator you might want to try putting your energy into leading by example instead of using your opinion as a spoon to stir the proverbial, yes?

love and kisses
CR0M
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I do not endorse piracy, I merely state that in the absence of a reliable information source I am forced to check out the game itself before deciding to pay for it.

Love and buttsex
Mike
 
Mikael Grizzly said:
I do not endorse piracy, I merely state that in the absence of a reliable information source I am forced to check out the game itself before deciding to pay for it.

Love and buttsex
Mike
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Sorry, but that's still pretty pathetic.
 
I follow the development phase closely, listen to the opinion of others and examining source material and gameplay videos.

There's too little available in F3's case, though. And the band of corporate suckups the previewers and reviewers are isn't helpful.
 
Mikael Grizzly said:
I follow the development phase closely, listen to the opinion of others and examining source material and gameplay videos.

There's too little available in F3's case, though. And the band of corporate suckups the previewers and reviewers are isn't helpful.
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You could do the same thing with F3. You're just so maniacal about it, you refuse to believe anyone or anything that might contradict your unwavering hatred.
 
Mikael Grizzly said:
I do not endorse piracy, I merely state that in the absence of a reliable information source I am forced to check out the game itself before deciding to pay for it.

Love and buttsex
Mike
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In much the same way shoplifters or burglars merely claim to be taking what they think they have a right to own, then. Ok. Glad that's cleared up.
 
Where did I say I have a right to own it? I don't. I know it's stealing, until I pay for my copy. Your point?
 
Around these parts, even mentioning you're going to pirate something tends to make certain forum goers crazy.
Even though I'm fairly certain that most of the members on this forum download music.
 
That's granted. Plus, most of them propably also download older games.

Bitching propably helps them clear their conscience or something.
 
And as I said before, what's a person to do if the devs don't release a demo?
Surely you can't base buying a game solely on reviews and videos.

I'd say it's fair enough to download the game and then if you like it enough to go out and buy it, no harm done.
 
xlucidx said:
And as I said before, what's a person to do if the devs don't release a demo?
Surely you can't base buying a game solely on reviews and videos.

I'd say it's fair enough to download the game and then if you like it enough to go out and buy it, no harm done.
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Which is entirely my point.

Though some automatically treat me as if I suddenly stated that I like to devour little puppies.
 
Mikael Grizzly said:
Which is entirely my point.

Though some automatically treat me as if I suddenly stated that I like to devour little puppies.
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My point is that you only apply your point to Fallout 3. If piracy is ok for Fallout 3, it's okay for every game.
 
If your unwilling to purchase the game based on the opinions or professional reviewers, because you don't trust them, I suggest you wait until someone whose opinion you trust at NMA has played the game and is able to give feedback on it, and then make a decision accordingly. If your not that fussed about the game and doubt the developers ability to deliver then I'm not seeing why you need to rush in terms of arriving at a decision.

As regards piracy, I'm quite certain most of the membership of this site practice piracy in one form or another (I'll freely admit I'm an addict for certain American TV shows), but ultimately this is a gaming site and most of the posters are not only passionate about gaming, but some are involved in the production of games, and even if none of them work for Bethesda they recognize that stealing from your own back yard isn't good form. If an old game is unavailable, or vapourware, torrent away..but in an age when increasingly there is more and more scrutiny given the the extent to which new PC games are being pirated in ever growing numbers, it's not really acceptable to claim it's a legitimate approach to trying a game out.
 
I don't get to watch halfway through a movie before I can decide if it's worth paying for. Even in the absence of a demo, I don't see why a game should be any different.

This isn't some high-horse stand, because I've pirated quite a few things. I'm just not going to make up some half-assed justification to make it seem right or acceptable.
 
I'm not saying it's right or acceptable. Read with comprehension, I know you can, alcoholic one.
 
Absinthe said:
I don't get to watch halfway through a movie before I can decide if it's worth paying for. Even in the absence of a demo, I don't see why a game should be any different.

This isn't some high-horse stand, because I've pirated quite a few things. I'm just not going to make up some half-assed justification to make it seem right or acceptable.
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Trailers, reviews, word of mouth, wait for a cheap rental, DVD release, watch a friends copy, etc. Generally you go watch a movie because you think you'll enjoy it. The same principle applies if you think you'll like the game buy it or rent it, if you have doubts then don't go rushing to piracy to answer your questions you cheap bastard.

I mean hi. Piracy is bad kids. There is no excuse for it when there are so many ways to find out whether or not a product is worth your time and money.

Mikael Grizzly said:
I follow the development phase closely, listen to the opinion of others and examining source material and gameplay videos.

There's too little available in F3's case, though. And the band of corporate suckups the previewers and reviewers are isn't helpful.
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Actually there's plenty available in F3's case. Public opinion says it's going to be a bad game, therefore you of all people shouldn't buy it, play it, or touch it with a ten foot flag pole.

Mikael Grizzly said:
Bitching propably helps them clear their conscience or something.
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Publicly admitting to piracy makes you a bitch. Sure pirate the game but for god's sakes don't actually tell people on a public forum where you are a staff member that's you're going to pirate it. Doing so makes you look like a tool.
 
Alright, you know what? I'll save everyone a lot of bickering, and I'll save Mikael a bunch of hassle.


I forbid Mikael from ever obtaining Fallout 3 in any form, and by any fashion. You wont like the game anyways, so its no loss for anyone. There. It is done.
 
I'll propably coerce someone to get it for me, so that I won't have to waste my cash on it.

Funny how Mr. Clueless decided to jump on the "bash Grizzly" bandwagon.
 
I don't see how "You're a staff-member who is admitting to piracy, isn't that wrong or something?" is Grizzly-bashing.

All the other stuff, yeah, justified or not, but that point at the very least is valid.
 
Not really. All I said is that I want to see it before I buy it.
 
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